why—throughout Trump’s vulgar, violence-invoking, free-speech-ravaging ascent to the White House and now through his first six months in office—have so many others in the chattering classes remained fixated on a much smaller danger to our freedoms: politically correct college students?

Where were the “free speech” crusaders three months ago, when a PEN America report documented more than 70 separate instances of President Trump or senior administration officials smearing journalists and denying them access and platforms? Why didn’t the crusaders challenge the gag orders Trump imposed on federal agencies, including barring the Environmental Protection Agency from providing information on climate change? And what about the administration’s oft-repeated intention to tighten libel laws?

The American Conservative magazine’s Rod Dreher did that in January, 2016, lampooning what he mockingly called young “Social Justice Warriors” for whom “‘dialogue’ is nothing more than: ‘You sit down and shut up and listen to us tell you how bad you are.’” But when Trump advisor Steve Bannon warned the media to “keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while,” Dreher quickly excused that statement as a “different message” and cautioned against characterizing the Trump administration as “absurdly authoritarian


Conservatives used to insist that what the Constitution rightly protects in freedom of speech, a healthy civil society rightly modulates. Trump’s vulgar, violence-invoking campaign—which included his villainizing of the “political correctness” of angry, frightened students—reminds us that our civil society has been weakened by decades of predatory investing and marketing that, under the cover of defending freedom, elevated a failed casino financier and relentless self-promoter to the White House.


from https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/07/21/the-unbelievable-hypocrisy-of-free-speech-conservatives/

Why, this wouldn't be another Trump bashing thread.. would it?

another? where are the others? They seem to be drowned out by the Trump glorifying threads ...


the post was actually meant to point out the hypocrisy of 'free speech' crusaders, but happened to use Trump as an example because many 'free speech' crusaders are Trump supporters ...

why—throughout Trump’s vulgar, violence-invoking, free-speech-ravaging ascent to the White House

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well, when you start thread off like this... what do you expect?

Anyway.. carry on,

Hillary!!.. Hillary!! how could you let me down!!!!... Lol

well, it IS about hypocrisy, and SOME things are just relevant to that topic.

which was not about Hilary in the slightest.

But I applaud ya for not taking another opportunity to post some statistics about black people in response.

Oh I am sure you will at some point.. ( after you bash the hell out of Trump) and if the thread goes long enough you will work slavery in as well.

its your M.O.

Have fun with your tread. ;)

only if someone else brings up all the ways blacks are so messed up, which is the MO of many that seems to be okay with ya. And if they do, you wont be disappointed by my response.

well, we will see wont we. I'm sure the other Trump bashers will chime in. but don't forget to say something good about his work in the NK summit.. o.k.

At least throw the guy a bone ;)

nah, I'll throw him the same bone Obama was thrown when he merely made the STATEMENT that he would be WILLING to talk to dictators ...

talking about sensationalizing things wow.

Trumps vulgar speech?
give us an example of this?


violent provoking??
give us an example of this?

I dont blame the White house for striking back because the media ( at least liberal media) isnt interested in reporting things on a neutral basis like they are suppose to do

Instead they want to report their opinions and view and pass it off as journalism.


Journalism has evolved into gossip magazine instead of real news.

smh, that kook aid must be amazing

VULGAR

You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it, you can do anything.

Grab them by the p***y, you can do anything. ...Trump



26,000 unreported sexual assults in the military-only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together? ...Trump


(about his daughter) Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father.. Trump


(about 12 year old Paris Hilton) Now, somebody who a lot of people don’t give credit to but in actuality is really beautiful is Paris Hilton.

I’ve known Paris Hilton from the time she’s 12.

Her parents are friends of mine, and the first time I saw her she walked into a room and I said, ‘Who the hell is that? ...Trump


(regarding a female Apprentice contestant claimed to have gotten on her knees to ask to be kept on) It must be a pretty picture, you dropping to your knees. ... Trump


VIOLENT SUPPORTING

so obnoxious and so loud ... maybe he should have been roughed up. Maybe he should have been roughed up. Because it was totally disgusting what he was doing." ... Trump
( about a protestor. although I never knew a court of law that allowed for assault on someone being 'obnoxious' or 'loud')

"Get him out," "Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it." ... Trump on how to deal with protestors ...

"In the good old days this doesn't happen because they used to treat them very, very rough. And when they protested once, they would not do it again so easily. But today they walk in and they put their hand up and they put the wrong finger in the air at everybody. And they get away with murder, because we’ve become weak." ... Trump, again, on dealing with protestors


"Part of the problem and part of the reason it takes so long (to remove the protesters) is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right? And they're being politically correct the way they take them out. So it takes a little bit longer. And honestly, protesters they realize it -- they realize there are no consequences to protesting anymore. There used to be consequences. There are none anymore." Trump, again promoting the idea that protestors should be met with consequences that disregard physical harm to others.


now two questions were posed, asking for only one Example of vulgar and one example of provoking (which actually reads INVOKING in the OP) violence

I gave several more than one of vulgar and more than one of invoking violence

so I will watch as the deflection to something else or who else did what comes in ...

kool aid eh?

now that is an ignorant comment , there was no need for comment.

back to the topic,

I knew you were going to mention the P ussy comment

Here are the facts

Did Trump say that? yes he did
when? 2005, last time I checked and I have a working knowledge how chronology works, he made that comment in 2005, not during his 2016 presidential run.

That comment was supposed to be made in private and Billy Bush taped it and he got fired after he leaked it.

now if Trump said that during his presidential campaign I would agree with you.



what is vulgar about that?


he said that about his daughter in 2003, I think its a terrible comment, but he didnt say it during the presidential run

as in for the violence sparking , please
reacting to certain idiot posters? imagine if Bernie Sanders swatted the two BLM activists that got in his face when he was campaigning, it made Sanders look weak.

His security guards should have been fired for allowing those two women to get that close to Sanders on stage.

Or maybe it was a design by the Democrat party to make Sanders look weak, lord knows that would never happen with Hillary Clinton and Trump .

You people cherry pick and twists things.

I want to see examples where Trump encourages people to do violence against his fellow citizens that disagrees with him during his presidential run and today as commander in chief.

I want to see examples of Trump saying nasty things about ALL WOMEN
just because he said things about Rosie ODonnel and Megan Kelly doesn't mean they represent all women, you've said this many times, Individual acts or people doesn't make a group.


Comparing Trump to some azzhole like Richard Spencer who has a record of saying things is B.S.

nowhere did the OP say anything about it having to happen DURING the campaign, nor did the questions specify examples only during his campaign

I was asked for 'one example' of Trump being vulgar or invoking violence, and I gave several




but I figured the excuses would come in

Excuse huh.

no, its just you people cherry picking things

Hillary has a history of saying and doing things too, I guess calling black youth "super predator" doesn't count right?

how about when two Black lives matter activists attended a Hillary Clinton fundraiser and demanded she apologize to black people for that comment


source CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/politics/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter-whichhillary/

excerpt

Clinton released a statement Thursday saying, "I shouldn't have used those words, and I wouldn't use them today." right after she had Secret service escort the black lives activist out, so much for free speech eh?

OH its on YOUTUBE too.

and in that report it showed that her Husband Bill apologized and regretted his crime bill decision that incarcerated many blacks.


OOOPS, facts again.

But we are talking about Trump right? what exactly did Trump do to black folks in America or said anything like that about black folks in America,Yet he is the racist?

So what excuses am I using ??

LOL.. you asked for examples, but they were only 'cherry picking' ... same old same old ....


and then its, 'but hilary/obama did this ...."

or

'what about when blacks do ..."


trump supporter playbook...

Thinks it's time for mingle to add a new category to the threads
Hi msharmony, I think you need to move back to the valleys of Wales and chill out for a couple of years

I noticed you didn't dispute it,hey its fair game

If Trump haters can bring up trump's past

Hillary Clinton's past is fair game.

It seems you dont like it when Queen Hillary's name is brought up.

But facts are facts and they dont lie.

Bottom line is Trump won and Hillary lost

Is Hillary Clinton the most experienced of the two? No doubt about it, A senator, Secretary of state, I wont mention first lady, because its irrelevant.

Is Donald Trump a flawed guy? HELL YEAH, he is also a dirt bag, a cheat, a man with no morals, narcissistic and I heard this phrase from some conservatives like Mark Levin, he tweets like he has touretts, I found that funny.


Yet he beat Mrs. Clinton, why? Because she is flawed too with more of a storied history and scandals and because of her husband's issues, scandals and baggage.

I think she might have had a chance if she divorced the perv.

I know most of you think its because she is a woman, and to that I say B.S.

Condoleezza Rice was the first african American woman to be secretary of state, did the black community celebrate that? NO, why? because she is a republican, if she was a democrat they would have had schools named after this amazing woman.

can you tell I admire Ms.Rice? not because she is a Republican , its because of her accomplishment .

Mrs.Clinton doesn't have that same panache, even Michelle Obama say what you want to say about her, I dont like her myself but Michelle Obama has that Panache, she has to ability to capture people's attention, and when Michelle walks in people gravitate towards her, when Hillary walks in people are making a beeline towards the exit.

Im chill all the time, its just ignorance or nonsense that sends the sparks in...

thank you

back to the topic ... hypocrisy of Free Speech advocates ...

thank you

back to the topic ... hypocrisy of Free Speech advocates ...