How do you proof a belief (regardless of the belief)?

Example: I am Christian. I can't prove my belief to others. Posting scriptures won't help. If someone doesn't believe in the Christian God, why would they believe scriptures?

On the reverse: can an Atheist prove there is no God?

Your thoughts...

You can't do either. There is no way that God will fit in a laboratory. But we can measure some of the effects of our beliefs.

Unfortunately, Scripture will not help you here. Many will simply not read this book.

Just do the best you can and ask God to guide you.

Who can ask for more?

My thoughts:
I don't see any reason I need to prove my beliefs to anyone?
Why would I, they're MY beliefs?

One thing that is worthy of proving is reality.
Proving reality alleviates ignorance.
Ignorance is a barrier to enlightenment and enlightenment leads to understanding. Understanding builds knowledge.

Knowledge allows us to act today to make tomorrow better.
While belief can sometimes make tomorrow seem better it only works if reality doesn't get in the way.

I can 'believe' a woman really likes me or even loves me.
I can be happy in that belief every single day until reality shows me she doesn't.
She may have no idea who I am, yet I believe she is an important part of my life.
When reality enlightens my ignorance, I am devastated.
Knowledge trumps belief everytime.
If I base my contentment and inner peace on belief, I am basing it on a delusion, not reality.

Reality is all the things that exist and the absence of things that does not exist. To 'know' something does not exist, one must know absolutely everything that does and find absence of proof in all reality.
Since nobody knows everything about everything everywhere and everywhen, God may or may not exist and that unknown is not proof either way.

I totally agree. My beliefs are mine. I enjoy learning different things but I don't need to defwnd my beliefs

When I was a kid, and if I remember properly I think the whole idea was that there was no proof. So therefore it’s up to you to have faith, or believe in God. At the hour of your death you will be rewarded for your belief or faith with a place in heaven.

Good question though. I wonder what would happen if God was to show himself to us. So that without any shadow of a doubt we would know there was a god. Maybe one day he/she will.

My belief in God does show me It exists. Every moment, everywhere I look.

Yes, I think similar to this myself. I actually don’t need him or her or it to show proof, I think there’s proof all around.
I was thinking what would non believers think, and where would it leave science.

even if God did sppear, I would still have a hard time beliving...I personally think the gods are aliens...to the ignorant, unknown technology could be considered God like powers....

My belief in God works 'because' science makes sense.
I don't see reality as an either/or situation.
Both exist in harmony.

Some religions also work with God and Science in harmony.
The whole "Creation" idea supports science in reality.
Lemme splain;
God created everything. This means, God created the Universe. Everything, including the theory of the Big Bang supports and is supported by that creation. Science is an effort to figure out the reality of the Universe, which was created by God.
Even if science goes back to explain the very instant the Universe erupted from nothing, it can never know what initiated the original change of state that caused the Universe to erupt into existence.

This reminds me of this one thing I saw that I believe was by a philosopher, it basically broke things down a bit into 4 areas:

1) I believe in God and he exists.
2) I don't believe in God and he exists.
3) I believe in God and he doesn't exist
4) I don't believe in god and he doesn't exist

In the first one, you get to go to heaven to be with God and live happily for the rest of eternity. In the second, you don't and you suffer for eternity. Then in the last two, there's nothing gained or lost. So the logical conclusion is that it's better to just believe in God.

I hope you don't mind my offering this bit from The Urantia Book which I think supports exactly what you said. (I bolded some text.)

99:5.6 Any religious belief which is effective in spiritualizing the believer is certain to have powerful repercussions in the social life of such a religionist. Religious experience unfailingly yields the “fruits of the spirit” in the daily life of the spirit-led mortal.

99:5.7 Just as certainly as men share their religious beliefs, they create a religious group of some sort which eventually creates common goals. Someday religionists will get together and actually effect co-operation on the basis of unity of ideals and purposes rather than attempting to do so on the basis of psychological opinions and theological beliefs. Goals rather than creeds should unify religionists. Since true religion is a matter of personal spiritual experience, it is inevitable that each individual religionist must have his own and personal interpretation of the realization of that spiritual experience. Let the term “faith” stand for the individual’s relation to God rather than for the creedal formulation of what some group of mortals have been able to agree upon as a common religious attitude. “Have you faith? Then have it to yourself.”

Or as Arthur C Clarke said: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

exactly... I can see in my own mind how the ancient alien theory played out... 5000 years ago, someone with something as simple as a bic lighter could be considered a God to create fire like that...think about what the natives would have thought if a ship landed in front of them...

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I don't think I should have to provide proof of my beliefs. Many these days have no beliefs much less morals. It's lack of God in our everyday lives that has made the world what it is now.

I think this is confusing God with morals, values and integrity.
One thing religion is pretty good at teaching is morals, values and integrity. They teach it by associating it with God. They use punishments and rewards to set the values in behavior letting an individual's conscious validate their resolve.
Thing is, people gain morals, values and integrity without religion.
They gain it thru intelligence, wisdom and respect for others.

how do you proove anything? by research and testing and peer review and then more testing. the true test of any belief, is can it be disproven at any stage?

personal events within someone's life is how you find proof/prove God.

outside of nature, the sculpture of this planet from water, sun, heat, time, how we are in a position from the sun where life can be sustained, how [gravity-force-electromagnetics] from our moon and surrounding planets including stars keep the earth at the right distance from the sun [SOL] [reveals this is not an accident].

how beyond our planet and solar systems we find like patterns of other galaxies throughout this vast universe explains an accident would be impossible to replicate galaxy after galaxy in similar like fashion [EXAMPLE : smash a rock or marble, do it 10,000 times with different rocks and marbles. not a single time will get perfect spheres] WHICH LEADS TO [singularity as energy annihilating in the BANG supposedly became spherical planets and galaxies] BUT YET [rocks and marbles are also energy and should be able to replicate the BANG] SINCE THIS PROCESS DOES NOT REPLICATE [makes the BANG a myth].

when you break everything down to the simplest formation, you begin to rule out the idea of an accident. this leaves the only thing left, the GOD factor.

but as a mathematician, i see the flaws within science and how they skew their theories. and typically, they fail at explaining when they try proving it with quantum mechanics. BUT, SOMEONE WOULD NEED TO UNDERSTAND QUANTUM MECHANICS TO UNDERSTAND SCIENCE IS FULL OF ****!!

If people be live God is eternal, how come the universe can't be eternal as well? Where was God before it created the universe?

people are full of ****, not science...science is only as good as the people that do it...

the universe is eternal. only the earth is being replaced.


God still would have been everywhere. but at that time, everywhere did not consist of much, at least, not as much as its current state of presence.