Topic: Hidden Galaxies Revealing The Great Attractor
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Wed 02/07/18 11:15 AM
http://www.icrar.org/hidden-galaxies/

Scientists discover hidden galaxies behind the Milky Way
February 10, 2016 (Old News)

Hundreds of hidden nearby galaxies have been studied for the first time, shedding light on a mysterious gravitational anomaly dubbed the Great Attractor.

Despite being just 250 million light years from Earth—very close in astronomical terms—the new galaxies had been hidden from view until now by our own galaxy, the Milky Way.

Using CSIRO’s Parkes radio telescope equipped with an innovative receiver, an international team of scientists were able to see through the stars and dust of the Milky Way, into a previously unexplored region of space.

The discovery may help to explain the Great Attractor region, which appears to be drawing the Milky Way and hundreds of thousands of other galaxies towards it with a gravitational force equivalent to a million, billion Suns.

“We know that in this region there are a few very large collections of galaxies we call clusters or superclusters, and our whole Milky Way is moving towards them at more than two million kilometres per hour.”

“An average galaxy contains 100 billion stars, so finding hundreds of new galaxies hidden behind the Milky Way points to a lot of mass we didn’t know about until now.”

Hidden Galaxy Multimedia
http://www.dropbox.com/sh/vd9o7f6dp57qy2a/AAB7O8QxvFzRdkR365tKsVfca?dl=0

I find this interesting because it is an example of science suspecting something that eventually becomes viewable with technology.

The Great Attractor is in large part responsible for the concept of Dark Matter and Energy.

Many people believe Dark Matter and Energy is a mysterious factor in the physics of the Universe. This discovery aligns with my own theory that Dark Matter/Energy is normal matter/energy that we can't currently detect with out technology. Its 'hidden' by other matter/energy.
From an asteriod behind the Moon to a million galaxies behind the Milky Way. Each celestial object could hide matter/energy that contributes to The Great Attractor.

It makes me wonder how much matter would be found just by merely moving the detection equipment to a different galaxy. Seeing the vista from a different angle.

So, technically, there is no such thing as Dark Matter/Energy. Only normal matter/energy we have yet to detect.

On a different slant to it all.
Any mass that is near absolute zero will not be detected. That area will show up as a dead spot. There are vast areas of space that are called Voids. It may be that the temperature in those areas of space is so low, vibrational heat is stifled. With nothing radiating from the surfaces of mass, it can't be seen. Just because it can't be seen (detected) doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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Wed 02/07/18 11:58 AM
Superclusters have trillions of stars in them, so that could be the great attractor...

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Wed 02/07/18 01:14 PM


with our luck they'll finally see it and it's the biggest black hole

they've ever seen..sad2

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Wed 02/07/18 01:48 PM

Superclusters have trillions of stars in them, so that could be the great attractor...




* Number of superclusters within 1 billion light years = 100
* Number of galaxy groups within 1 billion light years = 240 000
* Number of large galaxies within 1 billion light years = 3 million
* Number of dwarf galaxies within 1 billion light years = 60 million
* Number of stars within 1 billion light years = 250 000 trillion



* Number of superclusters in the visible universe = 10 million
* Number of galaxy groups in the visible universe = 25 billion
* Number of large galaxies in the visible universe = 350 billion
* Number of dwarf galaxies in the visible universe = 7 trillion
* Number of stars in the visible universe = 30 billion trillion (3x10²²)

These are calculations based on the VISIBLE Universe.
The Dark Matter/Energy theory came because the visible Universe didn't match the results we got. Namely the speed of expansion and the affects of gravitation.
So they made up this unknown invisible force to explain it and called it dark matter/energy.
All I'm saying is that there is no invisible force, just stuff we haven't measured yet because it is not in our view.

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Wed 02/07/18 01:55 PM


Superclusters have trillions of stars in them, so that could be the great attractor...




* Number of superclusters within 1 billion light years = 100
* Number of galaxy groups within 1 billion light years = 240 000
* Number of large galaxies within 1 billion light years = 3 million
* Number of dwarf galaxies within 1 billion light years = 60 million
* Number of stars within 1 billion light years = 250 000 trillion



* Number of superclusters in the visible universe = 10 million
* Number of galaxy groups in the visible universe = 25 billion
* Number of large galaxies in the visible universe = 350 billion
* Number of dwarf galaxies in the visible universe = 7 trillion
* Number of stars in the visible universe = 30 billion trillion (3x10²²)

These are calculations based on the VISIBLE Universe.
The Dark Matter/Energy theory came because the visible Universe didn't match the results we got. Namely the speed of expansion and the affects of gravitation.
So they made up this unknown invisible force to explain it and called it dark matter/energy.
All I'm saying is that there is no invisible force, just stuff we haven't measured yet because it is not in our view.
totally true,. Imo... I've always liked the idea that galaxies are pretty much random motion... they will always follow the path of least resistance, just like everything in the universe...

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Wed 02/07/18 02:10 PM
Example:
How many Ice Cubes are in my Freezer?
How much does their weight contribute to the total weight of my house?
To maintain them, how much thermal radiation is expelled from my freezer.
How does that thermal change affect my oven.

In order to even have a chance of figuring out those details you first need to count and measure the Ice Cubes in my Freezer. Without being able to see them to do so, all calculations will be inaccurate.

The cubes exist, they do have an affect on the physics resulting from their existence but how much and to what effect is a mystery.

In essence, I have Dark Ice Cubes.

All calculations of mass and gravity of the Universe it dependant on how much of the actual Universe is calculated.
Until we observe and measure the entire Universe, we will never know for sure.

It affects Cosmic Anisotropy / Homogeneity and Isotropy

New evidence for a preferred direction in spacetime challenges the cosmological principle
September 7, 2011

http://phys.org/news/2011-09-evidence-spacetime-cosmological-principle.html

(PhysOrg.com) -- According to the cosmological principle, there is no special place or direction in the universe when viewed on the cosmic scale. The assumption enabled Copernicus to propose that Earth was not the center of the universe and modern scientists to assume that the laws of physics are the same everywhere. Due to the cosmological principle, scientists also assume that the universe is “homogeneous” - having a uniform structure throughout - and “isotropic” - having uniform properties throughout.

But a few recent studies have found the possible existence of cosmological anisotropy: specifically, that the universe’s expansion is accelerating at a faster rate in one direction than another. In the most recent study, scientists have analyzed data from 557 Type 1a supernovae and found, in agreement with some previous studies, that the universe’s expansion seems to be accelerating faster in the direction of a small part of the northern galactic hemisphere.


Dark Matter ~ wiki
Although dark matter has not been directly observed, its existence and properties are inferred from unexplained mass in gravitational lensing calculations, which affects the motions of baryonic matter and light. It influences the universe's large-scale structure, the formation of galaxies, and affects the cosmic microwave background.

Dark Energy ~ wiki
In physical cosmology and astronomy, dark energy is an unknown form of energy which is hypothesized to permeate all of space, tending to accelerate the expansion of the universe. Dark energy is the most accepted hypothesis to explain the observations since the 1990s indicating that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate.

Neither Dark Matter nor Dark Energy are real physics. They are made up to explain the properies of the Universe that we see that don't align with the properties we observe.

In other words, what we measure doesn't match what we see.

mightymoe's photo
Wed 02/07/18 07:26 PM
Could be their measurements are wrong.... The wrong math only provides the wrong answer...

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Thu 02/08/18 05:07 AM
Edited by Serchin4MyRedWine on Thu 02/08/18 05:08 AM
Hidden Galaxies behind the Milky Way? This is News??

The Hubble Deep Field(HDF) which looked at a tiny area with no visible light near the constellation Ursa Major found @ 3000 unknown galaxies.

Later the Hubble Ultra Deep Field(HUDF)pointed toward a very small region near the constellation Formax and found over 10,000 new galaxies. This region represents only about one thirteen-millionth of the total area of the sky.

The Hubble eXtreme Deep Field (HXDF)then took a portion of the area from the HUDF field.The HXDF contains approximately 5,500 galaxies, the oldest of which are seen as they were 13.2 billion years ago. The faintest galaxies are one ten-billionth the brightness of what the human eye can see.

My point is that all but three lights we see by the naked eye are in the Milky Way Galaxy. These Deep Field observations that only make up a few millionths of the night sky suggests that wherever you look in the universe you will millions of new galaxies.

For scientists to say there are "hidden" galaxies behind the Milky Way is like saying there might be water in the ocean.

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Thu 02/08/18 08:18 AM

Hidden Galaxies behind the Milky Way? This is News??

The Hubble Deep Field(HDF) which looked at a tiny area with no visible light near the constellation Ursa Major found @ 3000 unknown galaxies.

Later the Hubble Ultra Deep Field(HUDF)pointed toward a very small region near the constellation Formax and found over 10,000 new galaxies. This region represents only about one thirteen-millionth of the total area of the sky.

The Hubble eXtreme Deep Field (HXDF)then took a portion of the area from the HUDF field.The HXDF contains approximately 5,500 galaxies, the oldest of which are seen as they were 13.2 billion years ago. The faintest galaxies are one ten-billionth the brightness of what the human eye can see.

My point is that all but three lights we see by the naked eye are in the Milky Way Galaxy. These Deep Field observations that only make up a few millionths of the night sky suggests that wherever you look in the universe you will millions of new galaxies.

For scientists to say there are "hidden" galaxies behind the Milky Way is like saying there might be water in the ocean.

I did notate (Old News)

The concepts I am exploring with this thread is not the density of the Universe.
It is the nature of Dark Matter and Dark Energy.
Specifically, Dark Matter and Dark Energy does not explain anything of significance but is touted as important.

You have a man standing behind a building with a gun.
He fires the gun and hits a man that is beside the building in full view.
Because you can't see the man with the gun, the result of his actions you witness implies that some dark force caused the man you saw to be shot.
Since you have not looked behind the building, you calculate that dark energy caused the man to be shot.
You have no cause for the effect you witnessed so you create a cause to justify the result.
In reality, all you need to do is look around the building to see the cause.

Science takes into consideration the Hubble Deep Field impact on the Great Attractor yet still embraces the Dark Theory to explain the things they witness in the Universe.

People associate Dark Theory with something mystical that is outside our ability to prove.
I'm saying that no new scientific theory is needed.
We just need a different view so we can see what is not yet detected.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Thu 02/08/18 08:37 AM
The images of The Atlas of the Universe which I posted are based on old data. They give a representation of the Universe as we understood it in the past.

The Sloan Digital Sky Survey has created the most detailed three-dimensional maps of the Universe ever made, with deep multi-color images of one third of the sky, and spectra for more than three million astronomical objects. Learn and explore all phases and surveys—past, present, and future—of the SDSS.
http://www.sdss.org/

The SDSS is merely the current view of the Universe based on what we currently understand from what we have detected so far.
As current as the SDSS is, it still can't explain the unknown Great Attractor because we can't see much of the matter that is hidden from our detectors.
So, we make up this Dark force that does explain it and people accept it as fact.
There are aspects of the hidden mass of the Universe that has been revealed by Gravitational Lensing. However, even with gravitational lensing there is still not enough mass or energy to explain what we witness.
Gravitaional lensing is a distorted view of the pristine reality that exists behind the objects we detect.
It also is merely based on how light is observed.
Not all mass emits light. Hence the term Dark.

We determine the Sculptor Void as a void. It may not be a void. It might be full of mass that does not produce light. The only way to know for sure is to go there and see it for ourselves or devise a way to see mass that does not depend on light spectrums.

Place an LED in a pitch black room and you will see not only the LED light but also the reflected light off anything the LED light hits and directs to your eye. You can calulate the mass of those objects because you can see them.
Turn off the LED and you see nothing. The mass still exists but you can't reference it.
Dark Theory tries to explain that mass with magical physics.
You suspect there is mass but you can't explain it because you can't detect it. You don't know there is a marble behind a bigger block. Even if you shoot radar or sonar you will not detect objects concealed behind other objects, but they do exist because when you turn on the light and walk around the object the hidden becomes revealed.