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There's another problem people blinded by idolizing.
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For eight years, members of the far Right tried to delegitimize the Presidency of Barack Obama by trying to prove that he wasn't constitutionally qualified to serve as POTUS. Now, the shoe is on the other foot. it is worth noting that 'racial strife' and 'political division' and 'trillions of debt' have been a part of the American Landscape long before Obama, thanks to human behavior, greed, and ego  Yea, but we weren't sending pallet loads of cash to
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Edited by
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Tue 10/10/17 10:55 AM
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As people point out every time a new president comes in...it is the fall out of the previous. Trump hasn't even been in office for a year. Obama caused more racial division than anyone
Not even a year in, dealing with 8 yrs....come on |
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For eight years, members of the far Right tried to delegitimize the Presidency of Barack Obama by trying to prove that he wasn't constitutionally qualified to serve as POTUS. Now, the shoe is on the other foot. it is worth noting that 'racial strife' and 'political division' and 'trillions of debt' have been a part of the American Landscape long before Obama, thanks to human behavior, greed, and ego Yea, but we weren't sending pallet loads of cash to
terrorist countries then either. Iran-Contra? |
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Edited by
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Tue 10/10/17 11:01 AM
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Russian collusion has just as much 'evidence' as any of the aforementioned, according to the same 'intelligence' communities who presented their concerns and suspicions. Exactly the opposite. Every intel head including the DNI(Director of National Intelligence) testified they saw no evidence of collusion. I guess you have better sources? Maybe NBC or CNN? LOL |
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As people point out every time a new president comes in...it is the fall out of the previous. Trump hasn't even been in office for a year. Obama caused more racial division than anyone Not even a year in, dealing with 8 yrs....come on We see and understand that, but try and get them to see   
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For eight years, members of the far Right tried to delegitimize the Presidency of Barack Obama by trying to prove that he wasn't constitutionally qualified to serve as POTUS. Now, the shoe is on the other foot. it is worth noting that 'racial strife' and 'political division' and 'trillions of debt' have been a part of the American Landscape long before Obama, thanks to human behavior, greed, and ego Yea, but we weren't sending pallet loads of cash to
terrorist countries then either. Iran-Contra? I sure would've loved to see that drug transaction go down here in the states. What drug problem? |
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Russian collusion has just as much 'evidence' as any of the aforementioned, according to the same 'intelligence' communities who presented their concerns and suspicions. Exactly the opposite. Every intel head including the DNI(Director of National Intelligence) testified they so no evidence of collusion. I guess you have better sources? The intelligence community wouldn't have anything to say legally as far as collusion goes... That's a legal, domestic matter (which law enforcement, usually the FBI, would take lead on) or a congressional impeachment matter (or a combination of both). US intelligence agencies neither blankly operate within the domestic US nor enforce any domestic law on citizens or those who normally reside within the US. That said though, intelligence community heads have publicly stated that Russian interference occurred in multiple ways. The specific question regarding collusion between the campaign and Russia is a legal matter though; we'll have to wait on hearing about - and so far Mueller isn't talking and the two congressional investigations have mostly gone non-public. |
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as a dedicated reader and somewhat sporadic commentator in the
political threads for the past 4 years...i would like to offer this comment, which i have seen countless times, no matter what the topic/subject happens to be... if i may paraphrase just a bit.... *******its ALL Trumps fault****** |
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Russian collusion has just as much 'evidence' as any of the aforementioned, according to the same 'intelligence' communities who presented their concerns and suspicions. Exactly the opposite. Every intel head including the DNI(Director of National Intelligence) testified they so no evidence of collusion. I guess you have better sources? The intelligence community wouldn't have anything to say legally as far as collusion goes... That's a legal, domestic matter (which law enforcement, usually the FBI, would take lead on) or a congressional impeachment matter (or a combination of both). US intelligence agencies neither blankly operate within the domestic US nor enforce any domestic law on citizens or those who normally reside within the US. That said though, intelligence community heads have publicly stated that Russian interference occurred in multiple ways. The specific question regarding collusion between the campaign and Russia is a legal matter though; we'll have to wait on hearing about - and so far Mueller isn't talking and the two congressional investigations have mostly gone non-public. What are you talking about? Russia collusion is not a domestic affair, it is between Trump and a foreign entity which the CIA,NSA and DNI have jurisdiction. Secondly The FBI, CIA and DNI have already Testified on this issue in public hearings so your statement that the intelligence agencies wouldn't have anything to say about it is False. |
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For eight years, members of the far Right tried to delegitimize the Presidency of Barack Obama by trying to prove that he wasn't constitutionally qualified to serve as POTUS. Now, the shoe is on the other foot. it is worth noting that 'racial strife' and 'political division' and 'trillions of debt' have been a part of the American Landscape long before Obama, thanks to human behavior, greed, and ego Yea, but we weren't sending pallet loads of cash to
terrorist countries then either. Iran-Contra? I sure would've loved to see that drug transaction go down here in the states. What drug problem? Sorry, not following... Iran-Contra resulted in actual indictments and trials against multiple people (12 US citizens in total; give or take - can't remember exactly) due to legal violations. The pallet loads of cash memes to Iran during the recent campaign were at most just memes aimed at low-information, emotional, type voters. I'm not aware that anything came from those memes in a legal sense anyway (and I'm not aware of any legal reason that they should). |
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Edited by
apilgrim
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Tue 10/10/17 11:46 AM
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Russian collusion has just as much 'evidence' as any of the aforementioned, according to the same 'intelligence' communities who presented their concerns and suspicions. Exactly the opposite. Every intel head including the DNI(Director of National Intelligence) testified they so no evidence of collusion. I guess you have better sources? The intelligence community wouldn't have anything to say legally as far as collusion goes... That's a legal, domestic matter (which law enforcement, usually the FBI, would take lead on) or a congressional impeachment matter (or a combination of both). US intelligence agencies neither blankly operate within the domestic US nor enforce any domestic law on citizens or those who normally reside within the US. That said though, intelligence community heads have publicly stated that Russian interference occurred in multiple ways. The specific question regarding collusion between the campaign and Russia is a legal matter though; we'll have to wait on hearing about - and so far Mueller isn't talking and the two congressional investigations have mostly gone non-public. What are you talking about? Russia collusion is not a domestic affair, it is between Trump and a foreign entity which the CIA,NSA and DNI have jurisdiction. Secondly The FBI, CIA and DNI have already Testified on this issue in public hearings so your statement that the intelligence agencies wouldn't have anything to say about it is False. You don't understand, collusion has to be a domestic affair because it would take US citizens to do the colluding and be held accountable for it. The CIA, NSA, etc are agencies which are constitutionally barred from investigating US citizens. And even so, they still have no powers of prosecution or arrest. Investigation, arrest, prosecution, etc has to be done by a law enforcement agency (usually the FBI) or politicians can be held accountable by Congress. The DNI is not an agency - it's a person. Also, the FBI is not an intelligence agency, it's a domestic law enforcement agency (federal). |
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For eight years, members of the far Right tried to delegitimize the Presidency of Barack Obama by trying to prove that he wasn't constitutionally qualified to serve as POTUS. Now, the shoe is on the other foot. it is worth noting that 'racial strife' and 'political division' and 'trillions of debt' have been a part of the American Landscape long before Obama, thanks to human behavior, greed, and ego Yea, but we weren't sending pallet loads of cash to
terrorist countries then either. Iran-Contra? I sure would've loved to see that drug transaction go down here in the states. What drug problem? Sorry, not following... Iran-Contra resulted in actual indictments and trials against multiple people (12 US citizens in total; give or take - can't remember exactly) due to legal violations. The pallet loads of cash memes to Iran during the recent campaign were at most just memes aimed at low-information, emotional, type voters. I'm not aware that anything came from those memes in a legal sense anyway (and I'm not aware of any legal reason that they should). with the difference being, weapons were sent to Nicaragua to fight the Cuban aided communist forces there. The money sent to Iran by Obama? Who knows. Probably sitting on top of a missle in N.Korea ready for launch. |
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For eight years, members of the far Right tried to delegitimize the Presidency of Barack Obama by trying to prove that he wasn't constitutionally qualified to serve as POTUS. Now, the shoe is on the other foot. it is worth noting that 'racial strife' and 'political division' and 'trillions of debt' have been a part of the American Landscape long before Obama, thanks to human behavior, greed, and ego Yea, but we weren't sending pallet loads of cash to
terrorist countries then either. weren't we? Dont guns make people money? |
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As people point out every time a new president comes in...it is the fall out of the previous. Trump hasn't even been in office for a year. Obama caused more racial division than anyone Not even a year in, dealing with 8 yrs....come on We see and understand that, but try and get them to see
yes. all sides do the 'its someone elses fault' and yes, having a BLACK PRESIDENT did force a spotlight on the previously hidden racial division, more than the status quo white leader does. |
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as a dedicated reader and somewhat sporadic commentator in the political threads for the past 4 years...i would like to offer this comment, which i have seen countless times, no matter what the topic/subject happens to be... if i may paraphrase just a bit.... *******its ALL Trumps fault****** lol. No, its not all ANY one persons 'fault' As Americans, it would behoove us to focus more on all the areas of RESPONSIBLITY that need to break down for certain problems to become problems and the reality that no ONE person will ever successfully be found to have all the control over those things, let alone all the 'responsibility' and therefore all of the 'fault' |
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Edited by
alleoops
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Tue 10/10/17 12:16 PM
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as a dedicated reader and somewhat sporadic commentator in the political threads for the past 4 years...i would like to offer this comment, which i have seen countless times, no matter what the topic/subject happens to be... if i may paraphrase just a bit.... *******its ALL Trumps fault****** 
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For eight years, members of the far Right tried to delegitimize the Presidency of Barack Obama by trying to prove that he wasn't constitutionally qualified to serve as POTUS. Now, the shoe is on the other foot. it is worth noting that 'racial strife' and 'political division' and 'trillions of debt' have been a part of the American Landscape long before Obama, thanks to human behavior, greed, and ego Yea, but we weren't sending pallet loads of cash to
terrorist countries then either. Iran-Contra? I sure would've loved to see that drug transaction go down here in the states. What drug problem? Sorry, not following... Iran-Contra resulted in actual indictments and trials against multiple people (12 US citizens in total; give or take - can't remember exactly) due to legal violations. The pallet loads of cash memes to Iran during the recent campaign were at most just memes aimed at low-information, emotional, type voters. I'm not aware that anything came from those memes in a legal sense anyway (and I'm not aware of any legal reason that they should). with the difference being, weapons were sent to Nicaragua to fight the Cuban aided communist forces there. The money sent to Iran by Obama? Who knows. Probably sitting on top of a missle in N.Korea ready for launch. The difference was that one act was covert and illegal and resulted in indictments - and the other was a very public flurry of memes that went nowhere except with partisan chicken-hawk politicians... I'll give you credit for being imaginative in tying it in to NK though. =P |
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as a dedicated reader and somewhat sporadic commentator in the political threads for the past 4 years...i would like to offer this comment, which i have seen countless times, no matter what the topic/subject happens to be... if i may paraphrase just a bit.... *******its ALL Trumps fault****** Your passion much appreciated argo63, but how could that possibly be. 
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as a dedicated reader and somewhat sporadic commentator in the political threads for the past 4 years...i would like to offer this comment, which i have seen countless times, no matter what the topic/subject happens to be... if i may paraphrase just a bit.... *******its ALL Trumps fault****** lol. No, its not all ANY one persons 'fault' As Americans, it would behoove us to focus more on all the areas of RESPONSIBLITY that need to break down for certain problems to become problems and the reality that no ONE person will ever successfully be found to have all the control over those things, let alone all the 'responsibility' and therefore all of the 'fault' That's right: We can't blame Trump, he made every effort prove he was disqualified while campaigning.
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