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Topic: another post...k iss
giocluedart's photo
Wed 11/28/07 08:35 PM
ok...because this was me only like 8 years ago...virgins and people who don't have that much experience are going to be lacking confidence and shy and she's probably feeling like she's inadequate in comparison to the other girls you've been with. If she says she's a bad kisser, tell her to let you teach her...tell her it can't be bad unless it never happens and to just go with it. I'm still afraid of that first kiss...you never know if it's going to be good or not...whether it's your/her fault or maybe you just have different rhythm...still fun though once you get that first kiss :)

giocluedart's photo
Wed 11/28/07 08:37 PM
wow...she's extremely self-conscious. someone has treated her really crappy

stevenpwis's photo
Wed 11/28/07 08:38 PM
why do you say that?

giocluedart's photo
Wed 11/28/07 08:42 PM
Edited by giocluedart on Wed 11/28/07 08:42 PM
because she's asking a lot of questions and then also answering them...she obviously feels uncomfortable...she probably really likes you, but doesn't really know how to be herself around you yet...it's only been 3 weeks. I was that way for a long time; just...no matter how many guys told me I was pretty or how good I am at whatever...I didn't feel like or really know that I am and I was basically just a people pleaser...always wanting to make sure I wasn't boring or just making sure things were alright...like I was going to be ditched or treated like crap the same way guys before had done

nvrsaynvr's photo
Wed 11/28/07 08:42 PM
I think you should just ask her, and go easy at first. Sweet kisses....smooched

stevenpwis's photo
Wed 11/28/07 08:45 PM
ask her what nvrsaynvr?

stevenpwis's photo
Wed 11/28/07 08:49 PM
ask her to kiss me or ask her why she isn't kissing me?

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Wed 11/28/07 09:46 PM
I think that maybe she hasn't kissed anyone ever and she's worried that she'll do it wrong and you won't like her.

My first kiss was very awkward, I was a late bloomer and I didn't want to admit to the girl I had never kissed anyone, I kinda pulled back a bit and was nervous.

If she's holding hands and cuddling up to you maybe you just need to initiate and not really ask. The girl I was with kinda just kissed me even though I pulled away a little at first. I ended up liking it A LOT after that LOL.

You can just kiss her and then if she's all pissed off just tell her you're sorry, you couldn't help yourself cause she looked so pretty, apologize and tell her you'll take it slower from now on.

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Thu 11/29/07 12:39 AM
Here are some kissing gambits used by pickup artists:

Mystery's Kissing Gambit (my least favorite kiss gambit actually...seems kinda unnatural to me):
Ask her, "would you like to kiss me?" If she says yes or maybe, kiss her. If she says no, say "I didn't say you could. You just looked like you had something on your mind." This avoids a sense of rejection so you can preserve your own dignity in some way I guess.

Style's Evolution Phase Shift (my second least favorite haha cuz i think it's too much work a kiss):
Nevermind. I decided against posting this because it's too long and drawn out. You can look it up on google or something if you want.

Shock and Awe (I actually love this one):
The idea behind Shock and Awe is to show that her sexiness is affecting you in ways that you are trying to resist. Say that she's really hot or something and that you hate what she's doing to you. Blame her for affecting your body in lustful ways (all in a playful manner) and that you're trying really hard to resist. "I'm trying so hard not to kiss you right now." Kiss her. Shock and Awe allows the woman to play out a common feminine fantasy that she can magically control men with her beauty.

What I usually do is just escalate touching and just let it happen. I first kiss the girl somewhere that isn't on the lips first, such as her hand, fingers, forehead, cheek, etc. and let nature take it's course as my lips find her's.

Good luck,
-Chief

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Thu 11/29/07 04:11 AM
Something's weird there. If I was dating a man that I liked, I'd kiss his face off. laugh Just kidding....but being a romanticist, that's one of the things I like the best, so it's hard to understand why someone wouldn't, especially after so long a time. What's she hiding?

geektothetenth's photo
Thu 11/29/07 07:43 AM

Here are some kissing gambits used by pickup artists:

Mystery's Kissing Gambit (my least favorite kiss gambit actually...seems kinda unnatural to me):
Ask her, "would you like to kiss me?" If she says yes or maybe, kiss her. If she says no, say "I didn't say you could. You just looked like you had something on your mind." This avoids a sense of rejection so you can preserve your own dignity in some way I guess.

Style's Evolution Phase Shift (my second least favorite haha cuz i think it's too much work a kiss):
Nevermind. I decided against posting this because it's too long and drawn out. You can look it up on google or something if you want.

Shock and Awe (I actually love this one):
The idea behind Shock and Awe is to show that her sexiness is affecting you in ways that you are trying to resist. Say that she's really hot or something and that you hate what she's doing to you. Blame her for affecting your body in lustful ways (all in a playful manner) and that you're trying really hard to resist. "I'm trying so hard not to kiss you right now." Kiss her. Shock and Awe allows the woman to play out a common feminine fantasy that she can magically control men with her beauty.

What I usually do is just escalate touching and just let it happen. I first kiss the girl somewhere that isn't on the lips first, such as her hand, fingers, forehead, cheek, etc. and let nature take it's course as my lips find her's.

Good luck,
-Chief


Hmm, with Mystery's gambit it would seem like if she said yes it'd be common sense to kiss her if you wanted to. And saying I didn't say you could to perserve your dignity, seems like you already know that you got rejected and anything said afterwards would just be window dressing.

My version of shock and awe is a taser. Just remember to stop the taser when you go in for that kiss. (disclaimer) I've been warned by my lawyer that this is illegal in all 50 US states. Court date is pending laugh


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Thu 11/29/07 07:48 AM
noway huh bad breath???? self concious????? still a virgin???? why would you want to kiss her?????? bet she's a real blast at parties toonowayhuh

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Thu 11/29/07 12:37 PM
I don't really party anyway, I really like the girl because she likes to stay in and relax which is what i like to do.

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Thu 11/29/07 01:53 PM

Hmm, with Mystery's gambit it would seem like if she said yes it'd be common sense to kiss her if you wanted to. And saying I didn't say you could to perserve your dignity, seems like you already know that you got rejected and anything said afterwards would just be window dressing.

lol i know
thats why i dont like it
works for ppl tho...cuz if you say "i didnt say you could; it just looked like u had something on your mind" it increases your chance of getting that kiss the next time cuz ur sending mixed signals which builds intrigue. that's the theory behind it.

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Thu 11/29/07 01:55 PM
I like Jose Cuervo's gambit, get her hammered off Tequila and she'll be sucking limes from your lips eventually.

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Thu 11/29/07 01:56 PM

I've posted so many of these things in the past couple weeks, I'm starving for so much advice. I've been seeing a girl for 3 weeks now, we are cuddling, and holding hands all the time. The only problem is we haven't kissed yet. I went in for the kiss tonight but she resisted and I then asked if I could kiss her because I was curious. She is pretty self conscious, she said she's afraid her breath is bad, and then she said she is a bad kisser. How can I get that first kiss out of her?
Sounds like a bad excuse, if anything she wouldn't because of your breath not hers.

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Thu 11/29/07 02:02 PM
i was thinking the same thing wisdom, haha

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Thu 11/29/07 08:18 PM
Ok..never ask a woman if you are boring her. and for the kiss im sorry not to be rude id would have left her. like the guy said tell her stop playing with ya mind. i cant give advice to this this has never happened to me i kiss on the first date allways

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Fri 11/30/07 01:14 AM

Ok..never ask a woman if you are boring her. and for the kiss im sorry not to be rude id would have left her. like the guy said tell her stop playing with ya mind. i cant give advice to this this has never happened to me i kiss on the first date allways

Of course there's a school of thought in the PUA community that says it's important to solidify your standards and "NEXT" any girl who doesn't comply to them, but I subscribe to the idea that the PUA lifestyle is more like a constant state of self-improvement. If you leave her, you're never going to learn how to overcome that sticking point and you may have the same problem in the future. Then what are you going to do? A good PUA is versatile and learns all that he can :wink:

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