The irony is in your deflection.

Would that your assertion should prevent mine is assumptive at the least and presumptive at best.

But that too is Nietzsche.

Boy 'wouldee',

You just don't know when to quit do you!

Have a beer, it's Saturday!!!

:)

He was quite the thinker, was he not?

... Quite he was !!!

It’s philosophy – who would be foolish enough to set limits on thoughts? Speak them, them and make awareness – reality!



Kristnamurti – equates the ‘us’ with the “world” – Abra equates the ‘us’ with the universe.
Kristnamurti would have us open our mind for full attention (without the ‘exclusions’ that a focused concentrations requires – in other words full attention on the perceptions of the senses, Abra would have us open our minds (to the exclusion of the perceptions of the senses)

Abra is more like Satre in this respect, in my opinion. So do we pay attention without exclusion to the illusions of our mind via our perceptions, is this how we can improve our contentment?
Or do we pay attention to the nothingness, which is an exclusion of the senses that provide the illusion of our life? Is there something in between?

Camus – “Any thought that abandons unity glorifies diversity! And diversity is the home of art. The only thought to liberate the mind is that which leaves it alone, certain of its limits and of its impending end. No doctrine tempts it. It awaits the ripening of the work and of life. Detached from it, the work will once more give a barely muffled voice to a soul forever freed from hope. Or it will give voice to nothing if the creator, tired of his activity, intends to turn away. That is equivalent.”

“Thus, I ask of absurd creation what I required from thought---revolt, freedom, and diversity. … The actor taught us this: There is no frontier between being and appearing.”

Camus, in my opinion, sheds light between the lines of Satre, Kristnamurti and Nietzche. He involkes the concepts of each one, without neglecting the idealism that is found in the creative mind. Dismissing the outcome of the creative to the absurd, while connecting the means and the end to the creator. Whatever else becomes of the creation, the creator has benefited by relenting to the diversity of a mind free from the limitations of pre-conceived dogma of what the end requires.

Like Nietzche, Camus had the ability, the ‘diversity’ required to create, with language, the ability to communicate on the level most acceptable to almost any individual, context not withstanding.

While reaching all people in a rhetorical situation is important to the future ‘fame’ and ‘rememberenc’ of an individual, it seems to be a motive which conflicts with the higher purpose as a philosophical treatise.

I consider such writing a joy to read, and often a bridge to tie together or lead to other views. Necessary, but not quite the breakthrough one might hope for. For this reason, I still consider Nietzche the most significant of this group.

Were it not for the audacity of those like Nietche and Descartes, how limited might philosophy still be?

Recognition of the absurd is often a silent known, it is the only the spoken word that allows the absurd to become the awareness of many.

LEX - Thanks for the quotes to prove my point

"A religion like Christianity, which does not have contact with reality at any point, which crumbles as soon as reality is conceded its rights at even a single point, must naturally be hostile against the 'wisdom of this world,' which means science. It will applaud all means with which the discipline of the spirit, purity and severity in the spirit's matters of conscience, the noble coolness and freedom of the spirit, can be poisoned, slandered, brought into disrepute. 'Faith' as an imperative is the veto against science -- in practice, the lie at any price."

-- The Antichrist, section 47.


"'For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?' (Matt. 5:46f.). The principle of 'Christian love': in the end it wants to be paid well."

-- The Antichrist, section 45.

"The greatest mystery is not that we have been flung at random between the profusion of the earth and the galaxy of the stars, but that in this prison we can fashion images of ourselves sufficiently powerful to deny our nothingness."