Topic: Giuliani: Ease Burdens
gardenforge's photo
Mon 11/26/07 12:31 PM
Like I said, you are for more government interference in commerce and everything else. If government were to become efficient and quit wasting money they wouldn't need to keep increasing taxes. Take a look at what higher taxes on business have done to any nation and you will see that it has caused a decline in the general economy.

The law of supply and demand drives every business worldwide. Industry only supplies what the marketplace demands. If people demand cheap inferior foreign made merchandise that is what industry will supply but understand that expensive inferior American made goods will not compete in that marketplace. Protective Tariffs would force that on us and result in higher prices which would hurt those who can least afford it. If you don't want to wear cheap mass produced foreign imported jeans, then buy and wear Brooks Brothers Suits I believe they are American made and I have heard they are very high quality.

Belushi's photo
Mon 11/26/07 12:35 PM

Like I said, you are for more government interference in commerce and everything else. If government were to become efficient and quit wasting money they wouldn't need to keep increasing taxes. Take a look at what higher taxes on business have done to any nation and you will see that it has caused a decline in the general economy.

The law of supply and demand drives every business worldwide. Industry only supplies what the marketplace demands. If people demand cheap inferior foreign made merchandise that is what industry will supply but understand that expensive inferior American made goods will not compete in that marketplace. Protective Tariffs would force that on us and result in higher prices which would hurt those who can least afford it. If you don't want to wear cheap mass produced foreign imported jeans, then buy and wear Brooks Brothers Suits I believe they are American made and I have heard they are very high quality.


... and very high prices. Not that that is a slight.

But you are correct.

You cannot protect your own trade against the trade of an inferior, cheaper product. Because your own people will not be able to purchase them

Even if your product is higher standard, in this disposable society, people will buy the cheaper product, because its cheaper.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 11/26/07 12:42 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 11/26/07 12:43 PM
Protective tariffs are taxes imposed on foreign business!
They are a fees to do business here and to raise the prices of their goods so American business can compete and still follow the labor laws established to protect workers from slave labor conditions and low pay!!

Protective tariffs Protect American business and Americans jobs!drinker

Fanta46's photo
Mon 11/26/07 12:47 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 11/26/07 12:48 PM
A "protective tariff" is intended to artificially inflate prices of imports and "protect" domestic industries from foreign competition (see also effective rate of protection). For example, a 50% tax on an imported machine raises the price from $100 to $150. Without a tariff the local manufacturers could only charge $100 for the same machine; now they can charge $149 and make the sale.
A "prohibitive tariff" is one so high that no one imports any of that item. (China??? Toys???, Maybe??)
The distinction between protective and revenue tariffs is subtle: protective tariffs in addition to protecting local producers also raise revenue; revenue tariffs produce revenue but they also offer some protection to local businessmen.


fishin4u's photo
Mon 11/26/07 03:31 PM
sa am i following you corrctly we nned to keep yheprotective tariff how does that fit in with all the lead poison stuff we buy?
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Fanta46's photo
Mon 11/26/07 07:20 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 11/26/07 07:22 PM
Hi fishin!!

If you outsource jobs with nobody watching the quality coming in then you get lead paint on toys, rat poisen in pet food, and who knows what else!

One thing about it is at least they found it. The toys beads with the toxic glue were contracted through an Australian company, who bought them from China. (Cheap) I have yet to find any news of another country finding the same problems.

Maybe, they arent as concerned as the US of what their children play with! Maybe they buy their toys from somewhere else, or maybe they just wait to see what we do! Maybe its just that the US doesnt worry about the internal affairs of other countries enough to report on it!

At least we do have people that care. Im glad they found the problems!flowerforyou

But, yes it is connected to out sourceing and therefore the lifting of protective tariffs!

Belushi's photo
Tue 11/27/07 11:48 AM
Free trade will always find that the West is more expensive to produce good than the East.

The cost of living in the East is less than the West and they share more. Thereby reducing their costs.

Then the West comes in and exploits them.

mnhiker's photo
Wed 11/28/07 08:21 PM
I'm for protective tariffs.

It's time businesses who
outsource and move jobs
overseas pay a price
for this freedom.

Look what a disaster
NAFTA and other trade
agreements have been.

Good for foreign governments
and corporations.

Bad for us and the U.S. economy.

Belushi's photo
Thu 11/29/07 04:05 AM
Until you lower your unit rates, the Eastern arena will be cheaper.

Lower labour costs = lower retail costs.

So if you prohibit production in the US due to high tariffs, then the outsourcing will be done elsewhere.

You do not have enough raw materials to efficiently produce goods, you do not have workers that will be prepared to work for low rates (apart from your illegals), so how can you hope to compete when you want to tax the importer?

He will just come to Europe to sell his goods where there are less restrictive practices.

Then your employment goes up, and you have to drop the tarrifs anyway

mnhiker's photo
Fri 11/30/07 09:30 AM
I wouldn't be for
imposed tariffs
on foreign goods
if there was a
level playing field.

But there isn't.

Not all producers in
the United States
have the advantages
as foreign companies,
such as govenment
subsidies.

Also, many foreign countries
import a lot fewer goods
from the U.S. than
export to the U.S.

There are cultural barriers
as well. For instance,
it is very difficult to
even do business in Japan
if you aren't a Japanese
business.

There are also problems
with quality control
for cheap goods coming
in from foreign countries.

If you have read any
of the news about lead-based
toys coming from China,
you would see why.

Most Christmas toys
are made overseas
(mainly China),
and not in the
United States.

There should be
better fair trade
policies, not 'fair'
as in Mexico or
China gets the
best deal, but
fair as in more
balanced trade
where they buy
American goods.

kidatheart70's photo
Fri 11/30/07 09:41 AM
What does America produce? There are very few items other than cars and tools that I find made in America.

no photo
Fri 11/30/07 09:53 AM

What does America produce? There are very few items other than cars and tools that I find made in America.


Cigarettes????frown

mnhiker's photo
Fri 11/30/07 09:56 AM
It doesn't produce
as much as it used
to produce because
the companies took
their operations
overseas because
of greed.

Why should companies
be rewarded when
they do this?

I think they should
be punished instead
by higher tariffs.

Any company who
takes their operations
overseas should pay
for that priviledge.

no photo
Fri 11/30/07 09:58 AM

It doesn't produce
as much as it used
to produce because
the companies took
their operations
overseas because
of greed.

Why should companies
be rewarded when
they do this?

I think they should
be punished instead
by higher tariffs.

Any company who
takes their operations
overseas should pay
for that priviledge.


I agree in a way, but where does it leave the consumer.
Joe citizen is stuck then between a rock and a hard place.

kidatheart70's photo
Fri 11/30/07 10:09 AM
Isn't that the nature of Capitalism?laugh
How can you punish companies for doing what America was founded upon?huh

Hi Andreaflowerforyou

adj4u's photo
Fri 11/30/07 10:18 AM
kinda funny how people think companies pay taxes

companies do not pay their taxes

their customers do

so all those taxes that get paid by your favorite company

you are paying them

so not only does good ol uncle sam get for all the taxes

you know yer paying

he is getting even more from ya by taxin the people

you do business cause they just consider the tax as

a cost doing business thus raise their price

hope that this just made your day bigsmile


but hey what do i know


no photo
Fri 11/30/07 10:33 AM

kinda funny how people think companies pay taxes

companies do not pay their taxes

their customers do

so all those taxes that get paid by your favorite company

you are paying them

so not only does good ol uncle sam get for all the taxes

you know yer paying

he is getting even more from ya by taxin the people

you do business cause they just consider the tax as

a cost doing business thus raise their price

hope that this just made your day bigsmile


but hey what do i know





Be careful now or your government might decide that you know too much for your own and their good.:wink:

Hi Harryflowerforyou

adj4u's photo
Fri 11/30/07 10:47 AM
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no photo
Fri 11/30/07 10:59 AM

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adj4u's photo
Fri 11/30/07 11:02 AM


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Are you asking me to bite you????noway noway



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