Topic: Edge of the universe
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Sat 04/29/17 08:30 AM
I see, but if the water molecule is out of the water does it become an air molecule or stay as water?
Sorry for the strange questions!

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Sat 04/29/17 08:54 AM

I see, but if the water molecule is out of the water does it become an air molecule or stay as water?
Sorry for the strange questions!

Strange questions are fun...

It remains a water molecule if it is tuesday or thursday or Saturday.
Strange answer: YES

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Sat 04/29/17 01:15 PM
Tom, you seem like the guy to ask,
I have a theory on sea level and temperature rises!
Now, using your water methods. If you have a tank of water and drop really hot stones in slowly one by one 2 things will happen
1,the water will warm up and
2 the level will rise.
Under water volcanoes?
What do you think?

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Sat 04/29/17 01:24 PM
I imagine it has a lot to do with displacement.

I do know that the ocean is not flat. It has hills and valleys.
It has something to do with the gravity of mountains and valleys beneath the sea. Mountains have higher gravity and thus sink the ocean surface while valleys, with less gravity pulling on the water raises the surface.

A volcano that puts material into the sea may be offset by the large area subduction zones (Mariana Trench?). Plus the sea finds its own level and may inundate coastal areas so it appears that the seal level remains constant.

Sea level rises at high tide and erodes away an embankment and the low areas that were dry before are now flooded. Over the size of the ocean a rise in volume of 1 inch would be a tremendous amount of water.

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Sat 04/29/17 01:29 PM
Thanks Tom, I guess my theory is ok but practically it's not?

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Sat 04/29/17 02:13 PM


Nobody on this planet past or present has any friggin clue as to what is really out there. I don't care how smart they are.

How could they?

it is all guesses.. that is all it is.. guesses.

Earth is a spec.. a grain of sand.

who knows, maybe some entities ant farm?

LOL ~ Ant Farm
Makes me think of the Expanding Universe '2' dimentional balloon hypothesis I read about years ago.

Nobody on this planet past or present has any friggin clue as to what is really out there.

This is so true. Considering that the Universe has existed 13.7 billion years (to our understanding) and mankind has only been a species merely 2 million years and only civilized for less than 10 thousand years, we are mere infants in knowledge and understanding.

I don't care how smart they are.

And you shouldn't. Smart is the ability to use intelligence to gain wisdom without experience. People are only as intelligent as the validity of the knowledge they accept as accurate. Garbage in: Garbage out

Earth is a spec.. a grain of sand.

It is less than that. More of a proton than a grain of sand. In relative terms with the Universe. A grain of sand is HUGE.

it is all guesses.. that is all it is.. guesses.

Agreed!
In science, informed guesses are called hypothesis.
Laws of science are established when the hypothesis is validated by testing. The law becomes a confirmed guess. That is, until something is discovered that changes that confirmation.


Honestly, I do not think there is a human mind that can comprehend what is really out there.

I don't think we at ready to know that.

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Sat 04/29/17 02:27 PM



Nobody on this planet past or present has any friggin clue as to what is really out there. I don't care how smart they are.

How could they?

it is all guesses.. that is all it is.. guesses.

Earth is a spec.. a grain of sand.

who knows, maybe some entities ant farm?

LOL ~ Ant Farm
Makes me think of the Expanding Universe '2' dimentional balloon hypothesis I read about years ago.

Nobody on this planet past or present has any friggin clue as to what is really out there.

This is so true. Considering that the Universe has existed 13.7 billion years (to our understanding) and mankind has only been a species merely 2 million years and only civilized for less than 10 thousand years, we are mere infants in knowledge and understanding.

I don't care how smart they are.

And you shouldn't. Smart is the ability to use intelligence to gain wisdom without experience. People are only as intelligent as the validity of the knowledge they accept as accurate. Garbage in: Garbage out

Earth is a spec.. a grain of sand.

It is less than that. More of a proton than a grain of sand. In relative terms with the Universe. A grain of sand is HUGE.

it is all guesses.. that is all it is.. guesses.

Agreed!
In science, informed guesses are called hypothesis.
Laws of science are established when the hypothesis is validated by testing. The law becomes a confirmed guess. That is, until something is discovered that changes that confirmation.


Honestly, I do not think there is a human mind that can comprehend what is really out there.

I don't think we at ready to know that.


Must agree on that.

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Sat 04/29/17 08:10 PM
A million monkeys hitting random keys on a typewriter may eventually compose a sonnet.

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Fri 05/05/17 11:27 AM
Depends on what you mean by edge. If you mean edge in the sense of the physical limit: it is unknown; if you'd see anything at all. More than likely, our universe has a vastly complicated curve to it that from our position in it, cannot be seen. Not allowing for there to be an actual edge.

If you mean edge as in the end of the visible universe, you would simply see more universe. With earth being at the edge of that visible universe (assuming that space's expansion is the same throughout, and that we got to said point instantaneously). And that visible edge, just like ours is steadily receding.

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Mon 06/05/17 07:25 AM
I wouldn't state it organized by no one.

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Mon 06/05/17 07:44 AM
Edited by Tom4Uhere on Mon 06/05/17 07:59 AM
Depends on what you mean by edge. If you mean edge in the sense of the physical limit: it is unknown; if you'd see anything at all. More than likely, our universe has a vastly complicated curve to it that from our position in it, cannot be seen. Not allowing for there to be an actual edge.

Like 1 dimensional ants on a piece of paper.
http://astronomy.nmsu.edu/geas/lectures/lecture28/slide03.html

If you mean edge as in the end of the visible universe, you would simply see more universe. With earth being at the edge of that visible universe (assuming that space's expansion is the same throughout, and that we got to said point instantaneously). And that visible edge, just like ours is steadily receding.

Human beings always see the past. Light travels to our eye from the source or a reflected surface. The stars we see are from the past. The Universe is full of light. It only looks black because the light from vast distances requires time on target to collect and resolve.
Science has measure expansion of the Universe, it is not receding. Relative to our detection abilities at any given time, all points in the Universe appear to continue on into infinity. We determine mass as the composition of the Universe. Energy exists beyond our detection limits. Just because we can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The whole concept of this exercise is moot because we have determined that light has traveled 14.6 billion light years from a source. We can't travel 14.6 billion light years to look at what lies beyond. We can never prove one way or the other. You might as well say at the edge of the Universe is a giant fuzzy bunny.


Edit to add:
Consider that the light from 14.6 billion light years exists. That light has also traveled 14.6 billion light years in the opposite direction. Since light exists as a particle and a waveform,
Quantum mechanics tells us that light can behave simultaneously as a particle or a wave.
it is safe to think that the Universe is at least 29.2 billion light years. But the Hubble deep field is understood as a constant that saturates view in any direction. Bringing the Universe to at least 58.4 Billion light years in diameter. That is only considering that we measure using light as a determination. For simplicity I refer to light as the electromagnetic spectrum from (Y) Gamma to (ELF) Extremely Low Frequency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

Not only do we not know if there is wider range to that spectrum we don't know if something else, not discovered yet, measures distance at greater ranges.

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Mon 06/05/17 09:20 AM
I have a 16 feet Stanley tape measure, do you think I'll need a bigger one? laugh

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Mon 06/05/17 10:27 AM
Edited by Tom4Uhere on Mon 06/05/17 10:28 AM

I have a 16 feet Stanley tape measure, do you think I'll need a bigger one? laugh

Is it one of those stretchy ones?

Reason for edit...added the word "it"

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Mon 06/05/17 10:32 AM


I have a 16 feet Stanley tape measure, do you think I'll need a bigger one? laugh

Is it one of those stretchy ones?

Reason for edit...added the word "it"

No, I asked for one of those at the hardware store but nasa had brought the last one laugh
Joking aside , it's very interesting but mind boggling to!

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Mon 06/05/17 02:22 PM

If you lived at the very edge of the universe and looked outward at that edge, what would you see?



Death
rofl rofl rofl

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Mon 06/05/17 03:20 PM


If you lived at the very edge of the universe and looked outward at that edge, what would you see?



Death
rofl rofl rofl

What does death look like?
I have seen the impact of death but never death itself.
Is it...


or


cause I always thought he was just the dude that collects death.

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Sun 06/25/17 03:09 AM
There is another physics involved outside the leading edge of the expanding universe we are made of. if you were to look at it you wouldn't see anything. there aren't photons to be captured by your eyes coming back into the universe from there.

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Sun 06/25/17 08:45 AM

There is another physics involved outside the leading edge of the expanding universe we are made of. if you were to look at it you wouldn't see anything. there aren't photons to be captured by your eyes coming back into the universe from there.


YES!
Nice observation (er, lack of observation)
That would be if you COULD actually FIND the edge of the Universe to look away from.
Eyes evolved from patches of light sensitivity. Everything we see is based on photons being detected by our receptors (in-coming photons) and that information being processed by our brains.
If standing on the edge of the Universe looking away, no photons would be striking our receptors unless there was something out there to reflect the light back to them. There may be light streaming out there into the emptiness but we can't detect light moving away from our eyes. To do so would require our eyes to be able to detect faster than the speed of light.

If you were a sufficient distance away from the Universe looking at it, you might see the whole of the Universe as a shining glob in total blackness. Like a single star shining in a pitch black sky. As you moved closer, the entire Universe would start to resemble a shape until you reached a point where it fills your whole view.

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Sun 06/25/17 08:55 AM
I imagine that at one point while looking out from within you might see a single light from something reflecting to your eye that is at a slightly farther distance from the Universe that your point of view. Once you moved past that object it would be all black.
Likewise, as your view widens on your return view, you may detect spikes of light as you move closer due to the different rates of expansion. You may be back in the Universe before you reach the first spot of light because something may be behind you, reflecting instead of emitting light but your detection is not 360 degrees. You would need to turn around every once in awhile to see if you had passed the Universe threshold (detect the reflecting objects you may have passed already).

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Tue 06/27/17 03:32 PM

If you lived at the very edge of the universe and looked outward at that edge, what would you see?




I do not believe there is a edge or a end to the universe...


the world I know ...smile2