What do you consider a cult and why? Blessings..Miles

I hear those dudes are about to start touring again...friggin sweet!

That's what I'm talking about man...Sonic Temple was the bomb!

I love the Cult! I hadn't heard that, cool!

Thier have been many bands with cult followings. The deadheads I think were the most alive.. Shalom..Miles

To me, a cult is a religious group or body of people that claims to follow the bible and believe in Jesus but they distort the gospel and they do not really believe in the core message - "The Good News" - Jesus' atoning work for mankind.

This does not include those who are not religious or any other non-christian faith that does not base its teachings on the whole bible, and do not quote Christ in an authoritive manner.
Often times they have a secondary source of authority in addition to the bible.

Yes I agree with the 2nd source. The Scriptures ia all that is need and maybe reference books/software to help.

Thier are alot of different beliefs everywhere on the same book. Most have split over 1 or 2 doctrines or beliefs. So how do you distinquich which is right? They may both have the same core belief. But yet they claim the other wrong. Shalom..Miles

Myself personally by examining them against what scripture says. If they follow what Jesus says (through His Word) then I can agree. If they add something that is not backed up in scripture then I disregard it.

I no longer worry about 'what is right' when it comes to a doctrine that is outside of the core beliefs for salvation.
That takes our focus away from the Lord, which is not a good thing to me.

By that, for example I do not worry about what day is the Sabbath - saturday or sunday. For me, Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, our rest is in Him, choosing the correct day is not going to affect my salvation. I believe that when we ask the Holy Spirit for guidance, He will lead us into a body of believers where we need to be and where He can use us. What I am saying in essence is God knows our heart and He knows if we believe in Him, that to me is key; our relationship with Him.

Miles, it appears to me that Christianity becomes quite emotionally charged when discussed, defined and even debated.

And that, the emotional appeal of such soulful contemplation can lead to divisive self justifications.

A prime example has always been the command and control over things Biblical as far as the Roman Catholic Church is concerned.

However, I'm certain that the Greek Orthodoxy would argue with that statement quite vociferously!!!

The resultant separations from Catholicism have spawned countless others to establish fellowships with autonomy.

My observation of such denominational variations leads me to conclude that the enlightenment of certain historical figures
since the life aand times of Jesus Christ's presence on earth
have brought many truths to bear and encouraged the liberties of others to become devotees and fans of their work and message.

This and of itself displays to me that the God of the Bible is still actively communicating with individuals and that spiritual warfare over the souls of men is still quite present and actively engaged in man's disposition as well.

That such divisiveness continues unabated , Christianity may very well be described as a way of life, rather than a religion, since the propensity does seem to apply that ,characteristic to the Christian faith, there are individual gifts and personal revelations on the theme that do touch the human spirit and soul in meaningful and pertinent ways.

Personally, this was all new to me 20 years ago.

As a consequence, scriptural harmony has become a very important safeguard for me and I must exercise sound judgement about anything Christian that entertains my thoughts and actions. There is one scripture that I find to be a great cleanser in guiding my judgement in discernment of cultic teachings. It's quite simply elementary to comprehend.

Revelations 19:10.

" and I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said to me, SEE THOU DO IT not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

The Sabbath day or any of the Laws didn't Yahshua keep them. Is this not waht made him perfect? He said be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect. So where do we have authority to not do or to change them. To do so would we not be in danger of the curse at the end of Rev? Blessings Miles

wouldee thanks for writing.

What do you see exactly Rev 19;10 meaning in the life of the believer? Shalom...Miles

I do believe we should keep the sabbath, a day of rest.

yes it is nice when it comes too.. Shabbat Shalom...Miles

Would anyone call this writing Cultic? shalom...Miles





Martin Luther: The Jews and Their Lies
(1543)

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At the beginning of his career, Luther was apparently sympathetic to Jewish resistance to the Catholic Church. He wrote, early in his career:

The Jews are blood-relations of our Lord; if it were proper to boast of flesh and blood, the Jews belong more to Christ than we. I beg, therefore, my dear Papist, if you become tired of abusing me as a heretic, that you begin to revile me as a Jew.

But Luther expected them to convert to his purified Christianity. When they did not, he turned violently against Jews.

It is impossible for modern people to read the horrible passages below and not to think of the burning of synagogues in November 1938 on Kristallnacht. Nor would one wish to excuse Luther for this text.

A number of points must, however, be made. The most important concerns the language used. Luther used violent and vulgar language throughout his career....We do not expect religious figures to use this sort of language in the modern world, but it was not uncommon in the early 16th century. Second, although Luther's comments seem to be proto-Nazi, they are better seen as part of tradition of Medieval Christian anti-Semitism. While there is little doubt that Christian anti-Semitism laid the social and cultural basis for modern anti-Semitism, modern anti-Semitism does differ in being based on pseudo-scientific notions of race. The Nazis imprisoned and killed Jews who had converted to Christianity: Luther would have welcomed them.

None of this justifies what follows, but it may help to comprehend what is happening. In 1994, the Church Council of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America rejected Luther's anti-Semitic writings.


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Martin Luther: The Jews and Their Lies
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I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the world, and wherever God's word is absent he has an easy task, not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help us. Amen.


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He did not call them Abraham's children, but a "brood of vipers" [Matt. 3:7]. Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and race of Israel, and they declared, "He has a demon' [Matt 11:18]. Our Lord also calls them a "brood of vipers"; furthermore in John 8 [:39,44] he states: "If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil. It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today.



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Therefore the blind Jews are truly stupid fools...


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Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people.


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...their blindness and arrogance are as solid as an iron mountain.


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Learn from this, dear Christian, what you are doing if you permit the blind Jews to mislead you. Then the saying will truly apply, "When a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into the pit" [cf. Luke 6:39]. You cannot learn anything from them except how to misunderstand the divine commandments...


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Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self­glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.


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Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch­thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security.


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However, they have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of lying; they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little observant can easily detect it. But for us Christians they stand as a terrifying example of God's wrath.


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If I had to refute all the other articles of the Jewish faith, I should be obliged to write against them as much and for as long a time as they have used for inventing their lies­­ that is, longer than two thousand years.

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...Christ and his word can hardly be recognized because of the great vermin of human ordinances. However, let this suffice for the time being on their lies against doctrine or faith.


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Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?


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Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie.


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No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.


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...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!


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Over and above that we let them get rich on our sweat and blood, while we remain poor and they such the marrow from our bones.


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I brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule­­ if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safe­conduct, or communion with us.... .With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my

conscience.


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Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have suggested. But whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided by his own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew.


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However, we must avoid confirming them in their wanton lying, slandering, cursing, and defaming. Nor dare we make ourselves partners in their devilish ranting and raving by shielding and protecting them, by giving them food, drink, and shelter, or by other neighborly


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Therefore we Christians, in turn, are obliged not to tolerate their wanton and conscious blasphemy.


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Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death.


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What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must practice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:


First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly ­ and I myself was unaware of it ­ will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.


Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.


Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. (remainder omitted)


Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (Deuteronomy 17 [:10 ff.]) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: "what they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord." Those villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people's obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16 {:18], "You are Peter," etc, inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the right to teach.


Fifth, I advise that safe­conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let they stay at home. (...remainder omitted).


Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they have stolen and robbed from us all they possess. Such money should now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God's blessing in a good and worthy cause.


Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam (Gen 3[:19]}. For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.


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But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name? They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. for our knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it before God.


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Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My advice, as I said earlier, is:


First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss in sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire. That would demonstrate to God our serious resolve and be evidence to all the world that it was in ignorance that we tolerated such houses, in which the Jews have reviled God, our dear Creator and Father, and his Son most shamefully up till now but that we have now given them their due reward.


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I wish and I ask that our rulers who have Jewish subjects exercise a sharp mercy toward these wretched people, as suggested above, to see whether this might not help (though it is doubtful). They must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in, proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did in the wilderness, slaying three thousand lest the whole people perish. They surely do not know what they are doing; moreover, as people possessed, they do not wish to know it, hear it, or learn it. There it would be wrong to be merciful and confirm them in their conduct. If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs, so that we do not become partakers of their abominable blasphemy and all their other vices and thus merit God's wrath and be damned with them. I have done my duty. Now let everyone see to his. I am exonerated."


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My essay, I hope, will furnish a Christian (who in any case has no desire to become a Jew) with enough material not only to defend himself against the blind, venomous Jews, but also to become the foe of the Jews' malice, lying, and cursing, and to understand not only that their belief is false but that they are surely possessed by all devils. May Christ, our dear Lord, convert them mercifully and preserve us steadfastly and immovably in the knowledge of him, which is eternal life. Amen.

From Luther's Works, Volume 47: The Christian in Society IV, (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971). pp 268­293.


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Source: Internet Medieval Sourcebook

In 1994, the Church Council of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America rejected Luther's anti-Semitic writings -

First time I have seen his writings.

I do not think that I would hold any Lutheran I might meet today accountable for what he or others did in the past.

no he is the one accountable and anyone who adhered to that. Most people do not realize that Hitler, threw this in the faces of the church leaders when they began to speak out. It is a sad state of affairs that those pastors thought more of Martin Luthers writings than the burning of the Jews.. Blessings..Miles

uuhhhhh....a white wedding?

The following verse describes a rider on a white horse and vs.12 says"....and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself." For those that don't know, subsequent verses add two more names as well.

Miles, as you know , the imagery here is quite prolific. This one verse is quite clear in its message, however. Its an apt reminder to all that the message given to those that answer, was, is and will always be about the Lordship of Jesus Christ over all of creation. And, that his message is sufficient to draw all of mankind to himself. We do well, one and all, to remember that we represent His message and not our own.

My humorous signature as follows....

I guess that is what happens when one follows a man instead of God.

Absolutely. Like Yahshua said if you follow a prophet then you will get that prophets reward.. Shalom..Miles

Thank you for that apt and fluid reminder, Britty!!