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Topic: The Mafia to the Rescue?!?!?!
msharmony's photo
Fri 02/17/17 11:07 AM
maybe they kill them before they get a chance to talk,, and not out of allegiance to civilians

how did it fare for mobsters who killed other mobsters? did they not end up with hits on them too?

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Fri 02/17/17 12:08 PM





was your statement made in my direction, Argo?

no, just my comments on what i perceive the topic to be...

my dad used to say to me...."sleep with dogs and you get fleas"
the mafia never sleeps with another group.,,.you sleep in their bed...


And if you make the Mafia mad enough, then you sleep with the fishes.


They have rules about killing "civilians", it is not allowed. It attracts to much attention. They learned from the days of Al Capone that it's bad business and any murder of a "civilian" without the approval of the commission is a death sentence.


A few years back there was a low level mobster on Staten Island, who thought he was selling guns to criminals but in fact the 2 " criminals" were undercover cops. Something happened during the deal and he shot and killed both cops ( one a city cop, the other a ATF cop) A dragnet went out for this guy.. 2 days later he was found with a bullet in his head sitting in a car on a Brooklyn street

The mob got to him first

As a rule they do not kill non mobsters. And if a mobster does.. he ends up like this guy.


I am not saying don't kill civilians, but it has to be approved by the Commission first and killing a cop is even worse for them. I think the fact the guys were cops were what really did the guy in.


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Fri 02/17/17 12:20 PM

maybe they kill them before they get a chance to talk,, and not out of allegiance to civilians

how did it fare for mobsters who killed other mobsters? did they not end up with hits on them too?


The could care less about civilians. They are only concerned about the attention it draws and it's bad for business.

It depends. Generally made men are untouchable to outsiders and the only way a made man can be killed by another made man is if the Commission sanctions it. Even the head of their family cant sanction a hit on a made man.

It's not like in the movies or TV shows. There is a lot of micro managing and there isn't much that goes on without the Commissions say. A perfect example of this was then Paul Castellanno was killed by Gotti. Gotti didn't have the ok from the Commission, and he wouldn't have gotten the ok since Castellano was the head of the Commission at the time. It started a war and the Commission was dissolved for a few years and it got really out of control. The Lucchese and Bonnano families all went to war with the Gambino's because of that and there were several hits put out on Gotti over the years he was in charge because of that incident and also the attention he brought to the mafia.

Gotti practically destroyed the mafia with his actions while boss. He ignored all of the rules. Gotti had mobsters killed, civilians (the elderly neighbor who accidently ran over his son), entered the drug business which was forbidden and many other things.

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Sat 02/18/17 07:07 AM


maybe they kill them before they get a chance to talk,, and not out of allegiance to civilians

how did it fare for mobsters who killed other mobsters? did they not end up with hits on them too?


The could care less about civilians. They are only concerned about the attention it draws and it's bad for business.

It depends. Generally made men are untouchable to outsiders and the only way a made man can be killed by another made man is if the Commission sanctions it. Even the head of their family cant sanction a hit on a made man.

It's not like in the movies or TV shows. There is a lot of micro managing and there isn't much that goes on without the Commissions say. A perfect example of this was then Paul Castellanno was killed by Gotti. Gotti didn't have the ok from the Commission, and he wouldn't have gotten the ok since Castellano was the head of the Commission at the time. It started a war and the Commission was dissolved for a few years and it got really out of control. The Lucchese and Bonnano families all went to war with the Gambino's because of that and there were several hits put out on Gotti over the years he was in charge because of that incident and also the attention he brought to the mafia.

Gotti practically destroyed the mafia with his actions while boss. He ignored all of the rules. Gotti had mobsters killed, civilians (the elderly neighbor who accidently ran over his son), entered the drug business which was forbidden and many other things.


Gotti was a rouge mobster.. that is for sure. And yes, he did have Castellano killed. Along with Castellano was Tommy Bilotti, Tommy was the enforcer, he lived on my block. I have to say, I was glad when Bilotti got it. as were many others.. he was a real prick.

Both of them were killed in a turf war. Basically Gotti thought Castellano was too businesslike.. and soft. So, he had him killed and took over operations.

Not many of them retire and live out their old age. that's for sure.. Lol

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Sat 02/18/17 11:02 AM
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Lpdon's photo
Fri 02/24/17 04:09 PM



maybe they kill them before they get a chance to talk,, and not out of allegiance to civilians

how did it fare for mobsters who killed other mobsters? did they not end up with hits on them too?


The could care less about civilians. They are only concerned about the attention it draws and it's bad for business.

It depends. Generally made men are untouchable to outsiders and the only way a made man can be killed by another made man is if the Commission sanctions it. Even the head of their family cant sanction a hit on a made man.

It's not like in the movies or TV shows. There is a lot of micro managing and there isn't much that goes on without the Commissions say. A perfect example of this was then Paul Castellanno was killed by Gotti. Gotti didn't have the ok from the Commission, and he wouldn't have gotten the ok since Castellano was the head of the Commission at the time. It started a war and the Commission was dissolved for a few years and it got really out of control. The Lucchese and Bonnano families all went to war with the Gambino's because of that and there were several hits put out on Gotti over the years he was in charge because of that incident and also the attention he brought to the mafia.

Gotti practically destroyed the mafia with his actions while boss. He ignored all of the rules. Gotti had mobsters killed, civilians (the elderly neighbor who accidently ran over his son), entered the drug business which was forbidden and many other things.


Gotti was a rouge mobster.. that is for sure. And yes, he did have Castellano killed. Along with Castellano was Tommy Bilotti, Tommy was the enforcer, he lived on my block. I have to say, I was glad when Bilotti got it. as were many others.. he was a real prick.

Both of them were killed in a turf war. Basically Gotti thought Castellano was too businesslike.. and soft. So, he had him killed and took over operations.

Not many of them retire and live out their old age. that's for sure.. Lol


Actually Bilotti was the Underboss. Gotti went rogue, he may hide behind the guise that is was because of the disrespect Castellano showed by not attending Dellacroce's funeral and that he thought Castellano was more of a businessman then a criminal (Which was the same thing Lucky Luciano was, and the mafia prospered under Luciano). Now showing up for a made man let a lone a Capo's funeral is a huge is a huge no no.

The real reason he had Castellano killed is because he discovered Gotti and his crew violated the long time rule of not dealing drugs and was planning to have Gotti and his crew taken out.

Gotti was a nightmare for the mafia. I am surprised that he lasted as long as he did. He was a lucky guy, there were several attempts on his life and all failed. Gotti broke just bout every mafia rule and tradition there is.

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Fri 02/24/17 04:12 PM
In the 1930s, Meyer Lansky and his gang stepped outside their usual criminal activities to break up rallies held by the pro-Nazi German-American Bund. Lansky recalled a particular rally in Yorkville, a German neighborhood in Manhattan, that he and 14 other associates disrupted:

The stage was decorated with a swastika and a picture of Adolf Hitler. The speakers started ranting. There were only fifteen of us, but we went into action. We threw some of them out the windows. Most of the Nazis panicked and ran out. We chased them and beat them up. We wanted to show them that Jews would not always sit back and accept insults.

During World War II, Lansky was also instrumental in helping the Office of Naval Intelligence's Operation Underworld, in which the government recruited criminals to watch out for German infiltrators and submarine-borne saboteurs. Lansky helped arrange a deal with the U.S. Government via a high-ranking U.S. Navy official. This deal would secure the release of Luciano from prison; in exchange, the Italian Mafia would provide security for the war ships that were being built along the docks in New York Harbor. German submarines were sinking Allied shipping in great numbers along the eastern seaboard and the Caribbean coast, and there was great fear of attack or sabotage by Nazi sympathizers. Lansky connected the ONI with Luciano, who reportedly instructed Joseph Lanza to prevent sabotage on the New York waterfront.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_Lansky#World_War_II_involvement

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Sat 02/25/17 04:21 AM




maybe they kill them before they get a chance to talk,, and not out of allegiance to civilians

how did it fare for mobsters who killed other mobsters? did they not end up with hits on them too?


The could care less about civilians. They are only concerned about the attention it draws and it's bad for business.

It depends. Generally made men are untouchable to outsiders and the only way a made man can be killed by another made man is if the Commission sanctions it. Even the head of their family cant sanction a hit on a made man.

It's not like in the movies or TV shows. There is a lot of micro managing and there isn't much that goes on without the Commissions say. A perfect example of this was then Paul Castellanno was killed by Gotti. Gotti didn't have the ok from the Commission, and he wouldn't have gotten the ok since Castellano was the head of the Commission at the time. It started a war and the Commission was dissolved for a few years and it got really out of control. The Lucchese and Bonnano families all went to war with the Gambino's because of that and there were several hits put out on Gotti over the years he was in charge because of that incident and also the attention he brought to the mafia.

Gotti practically destroyed the mafia with his actions while boss. He ignored all of the rules. Gotti had mobsters killed, civilians (the elderly neighbor who accidently ran over his son), entered the drug business which was forbidden and many other things.


Gotti was a rouge mobster.. that is for sure. And yes, he did have Castellano killed. Along with Castellano was Tommy Bilotti, Tommy was the enforcer, he lived on my block. I have to say, I was glad when Bilotti got it. as were many others.. he was a real prick.

Both of them were killed in a turf war. Basically Gotti thought Castellano was too businesslike.. and soft. So, he had him killed and took over operations.

Not many of them retire and live out their old age. that's for sure.. Lol


Actually Bilotti was the Underboss. Gotti went rogue, he may hide behind the guise that is was because of the disrespect Castellano showed by not attending Dellacroce's funeral and that he thought Castellano was more of a businessman then a criminal (Which was the same thing Lucky Luciano was, and the mafia prospered under Luciano). Now showing up for a made man let a lone a Capo's funeral is a huge is a huge no no.

The real reason he had Castellano killed is because he discovered Gotti and his crew violated the long time rule of not dealing drugs and was planning to have Gotti and his crew taken out.

Gotti was a nightmare for the mafia. I am surprised that he lasted as long as he did. He was a lucky guy, there were several attempts on his life and all failed. Gotti broke just bout every mafia rule and tradition there is.


Tommy was a underboss for a very very short time. Because he was such a loose cannon ( even by Mafia standards) that no one wanted to work with him

He was very good at enforcing, actually he was a pit-bull. That was his main job, that is how he rose thru the ranks.

Nobody liked him.. mob or non mob. He was a short guy.. stocky. Many think Joe Pesci's character in Goodfella's was based on him... because he was certainly just like that character..

Lpdon's photo
Sun 02/26/17 09:48 AM





maybe they kill them before they get a chance to talk,, and not out of allegiance to civilians

how did it fare for mobsters who killed other mobsters? did they not end up with hits on them too?


The could care less about civilians. They are only concerned about the attention it draws and it's bad for business.

It depends. Generally made men are untouchable to outsiders and the only way a made man can be killed by another made man is if the Commission sanctions it. Even the head of their family cant sanction a hit on a made man.

It's not like in the movies or TV shows. There is a lot of micro managing and there isn't much that goes on without the Commissions say. A perfect example of this was then Paul Castellanno was killed by Gotti. Gotti didn't have the ok from the Commission, and he wouldn't have gotten the ok since Castellano was the head of the Commission at the time. It started a war and the Commission was dissolved for a few years and it got really out of control. The Lucchese and Bonnano families all went to war with the Gambino's because of that and there were several hits put out on Gotti over the years he was in charge because of that incident and also the attention he brought to the mafia.

Gotti practically destroyed the mafia with his actions while boss. He ignored all of the rules. Gotti had mobsters killed, civilians (the elderly neighbor who accidently ran over his son), entered the drug business which was forbidden and many other things.


Gotti was a rouge mobster.. that is for sure. And yes, he did have Castellano killed. Along with Castellano was Tommy Bilotti, Tommy was the enforcer, he lived on my block. I have to say, I was glad when Bilotti got it. as were many others.. he was a real prick.

Both of them were killed in a turf war. Basically Gotti thought Castellano was too businesslike.. and soft. So, he had him killed and took over operations.

Not many of them retire and live out their old age. that's for sure.. Lol


Actually Bilotti was the Underboss. Gotti went rogue, he may hide behind the guise that is was because of the disrespect Castellano showed by not attending Dellacroce's funeral and that he thought Castellano was more of a businessman then a criminal (Which was the same thing Lucky Luciano was, and the mafia prospered under Luciano). Now showing up for a made man let a lone a Capo's funeral is a huge is a huge no no.

The real reason he had Castellano killed is because he discovered Gotti and his crew violated the long time rule of not dealing drugs and was planning to have Gotti and his crew taken out.

Gotti was a nightmare for the mafia. I am surprised that he lasted as long as he did. He was a lucky guy, there were several attempts on his life and all failed. Gotti broke just bout every mafia rule and tradition there is.


Tommy was a underboss for a very very short time. Because he was such a loose cannon ( even by Mafia standards) that no one wanted to work with him

He was very good at enforcing, actually he was a pit-bull. That was his main job, that is how he rose thru the ranks.

Nobody liked him.. mob or non mob. He was a short guy.. stocky. Many think Joe Pesci's character in Goodfella's was based on him... because he was certainly just like that character..


Yeah, he was Underboss for like two weeks. He Replaced Gotti's mentor Dellacroce as Underboss. It was a surprising move, you never kill a boss let alone the boss and the underboss without the green light from the Commission. That is why all hell broke loose when Gotti took control. Hell, the Commission has to approve all new family bosses and they didn't approve him. He was appointed by the Gambino Capo's. He wouldn't have passed the commission because there is no way Gigante the Genovese boss and Bonnano were furious with Gotti for killing the boss.

Goodfella's was about associates of the Lucchese family. Joe Pesci's character was based on Henry Hill's best friend Anthony DeSimone.

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Sun 02/26/17 07:25 PM
I am wondering how Lpdon could know so much about the Mafia and be able to talk about it. :tongue:

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Wed 03/01/17 01:18 PM

I am wondering how Lpdon could know so much about the Mafia and be able to talk about it. :tongue:


Everything I have read is from things released by the Government, trial transcripts and just about every book on the subject.

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