Topic: No More Free Lunch!
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Sat 11/17/07 06:01 PM
NY Dem Senator Chuck Schulmer said "No more free lunch" for the Iraqi government in reguards to finacial and military aid. The current aid is going to a failed and corrupt govt. In turn comes the Republicans spin doctors who twisted his words into something against our fighting men overseas.

Partisan politics at it's worst. In my opinion it will take a new Democratic White House correct the mess in politics that the current White House orchestrated by leading incompetently.

shaneedm's photo
Sat 11/17/07 06:04 PM
i hate politics

Fitnessfanatic's photo
Sat 11/17/07 06:19 PM
Edited by Fitnessfanatic on Sat 11/17/07 06:21 PM
shaneedm I know what you mean but I hate poor leadership even worse. I didn't pay attention to politics until I a 9 to 5 job and was unhappy the cost of living. I decided to pay more attention to things around me for the practical purpose of being informed to who looking out for my best interests and voting for him/ her.

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Sat 11/17/07 06:29 PM
40 years ago, the rising star and strong man of the Iraqi military ans inteeligence community was manuevering his power and control of the country and gained for himself the top job by the quiet and unresistent tacit approval of its scared and utterly emasculated citizenry.

He started some wars, plundered the peoplee and kept the peace through an iron fisted grip on the levers of power and control. Did as he pleased and kept the borders secure, while forcing domestic tranquility upon unlikely ethnic and sectarian communities that would never be peaceful and orderly without such control.

If the republicans are responsible for the domestic chaos within Iraq,why should I assume that the waffling Dems can do any better????????

I don't forsee the Democrats possessing any skills that would aid their choice of a successor to Saddam, or for that matter, have a stomach for what would be necessary to keep the country of Iraq from remaining splintered and anarchistic to the point that neighboring countries would not dare to annex it.

The US Military is not leaving the region any time soon.

JMO ( not a fan of the war and occupation, either)

smokin drinker bigsmile

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Mon 11/19/07 02:05 PM
One of the things the radical Muslims despise is us being on their soil. So the first thing we need to do to start managing the radical Muslim threat is get off their land.

George Bush f'd up Iraq something good. We've given it 4 1/2 years and it's now pretty obvious that it's never going to work. We need to leave and do it expeditiously. The current Iraqi govt. has made no effort to help itself.

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Mon 11/19/07 03:14 PM

it will take a new Democratic White House correct the mess in politics that the current White House orchestrated by leading incompetently.


Wishful thinking, IMO. Placing the responsibility entirely on the current Administration (as so many Democrats tend to do). Or the previous Administration (as the republicans tend to do) is pretty short sighted. It leaves out the Senate, House and Congress... who played a significant part in how we got here, both Democrat and Republican. I doubt that a Democrat in the Whitehouse is going to make a hill of beans difference over all, in our foreign policy.

Completely revamping the legislative branch.. campaign funding, and prevention of Corporations and other self interested legislators offering exorbitant funds and golden parachutes to our Politicians, might just do the trick though.

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Mon 11/19/07 05:00 PM


Wishful thinking, IMO. Placing the responsibility entirely on the current Administration (as so many Democrats tend to do). Or the previous Administration (as the republicans tend to do) is pretty short sighted. It leaves out the Senate, House and Congress... who played a significant part in how we got here, both Democrat and Republican. I doubt that a Democrat in the Whitehouse is going to make a hill of beans difference over all, in our foreign policy.



Bush's political advisors pushed for war a couple of weeks before election day. They intentionally did that to avoid debating the war. Democrats fearing losing seats if they went against a then popular president.

All in it was bad choice for the White House to rush to war, a war that is now very unpopular, very costly and lowering national morale as well as troop morale. Costly in 3 way; 1)finanically in fighting and troop wound care and rehabilitation, 2)lives lost civilans both lost and soliders lives, and 3)negative international view of Americans from liberators and protectors of freedom to invaders, impirealists and even racist. (Honestly now some ingorant soliders refer to muslims as "rag heads")

The results turned the majority of Americans to want some drastic changes and they will be default vote overwhemly vote Democratic in the years to come.

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Tue 11/20/07 08:54 AM

The results turned the majority of Americans to want some drastic changes and they will be default vote overwhemly vote Democratic in the years to come.


Agreed.. that is a given. It is human nature, when in a fix, to look for something to blame and cut it out like a cancer. However.. like most cancers that have been around a while, untreated.. it is not that easy to make it go away. Blaming the Bush Administration and voting Democrat is kind of like that surgery, without the follow up chemo and radiation... Just treating the obvious symptoms, without treating the disease.

So long as the masses on the left and right of the line keep fighting on who is to blame... and voting according to who they blame... The politicians will keep doing what they do.. and have been doing for a while now. Not just the last two terms.

So.. we will be complaining and blaming as wholeheartedly as before, just a little differently. Because in D.C.? It will be business as usual.