Still spouting the kkk handbook I see, well one day you will learn.

And one day you will(hopefully, but I kinda doubt it) the difference between doing something LEGALLY and doing something ILLEGALLY!

knox, it has just been blown too far out by the white supremists in this country, that is all. Illegally and legally is really not the issue, it is the new band wagon for the racists to climb on. All this country needed to do was enforce the laws we already had on the books. The reason the enforcement was not being done was there are too many "elite" who utilize the new slave trade here in America, ie, illegals for cheap labor. But it is still being propagandized to a point that is ridiculous by the racists in this country. That is my point. It is a racist issue.

I do apologize for taking this thread to another subject, hi jacked it, sorry there. English is the language spoken here, it does not need to be legalized, as there is no fear of that ever becoming not the language spoken here. Our legislatures need to be addressing much more important issues than this one.

well said Dragoness

But, Dragoness , that IS the fundamental difference here, and my point is very relative to the thread subject. Matter of fact, I'll say this once more:

People who enter this country LEGALLY respect our laws, traditions, and want to accept an American way of life, and are at least willing to learn our language. I welcome them with open arms, and I'll do everything in my power to help them.

People who enter this country ILLEGALLY for the most part, have no respect for our laws(check police reports),traditions, and have zero interest in accepting an American way of life, or learning even enough English for basic communication. For them, I will do everything in my power to send them right back where they came from.

Racist? Nope. Just an average citizen who has respect for the law, and the people who obey and uphold it. That's not being a racist. That, my friends, is being a law-abiding American CITIZEN.

Dragoness writes:

" I do apologize for taking this thread to another subject, hi jacked it, sorry there. English is the language spoken here, it does not need to be legalized, as there is no fear of that ever becoming not the language spoken here. Our legislatures need to be addressing much more important issues than this one."

I concur. English is the de facto preferred language of this country, and this bill was just pandering to prejudice for political gain in presedential election season. Its timing is hardly surprising, as was the fact that the OP was blatantly trying to make this some sort of patriotic issue.

There are folks where I work that speak only Spanish. I try to accomodate them when I can, but on certain projects where the documentation is extensive and the language highly technical because the product is complicated, I just don't have the time. So, you could say, English in those cases is a pre-condition for being chosen for the better- paying work of building it-- it took no act of Congress to establish that, it was just a fact of life. And were the situation reversed, I'd like to think I'd still look at it the same way. I'd either learn the language for the opportunity or pass.

After all, mathematics is the language of engineering, and if I hadn't done the work, I wouldn't have the job, Congressional acts notwithstanding.

-Kerry O.

Why is it time and time again that the bleeding hearts disagree with the Veterans on illegal immigration and the offical language of the US?

Then they resort to calling patriotic Americans racist because they dont agree in Shake-N-Bake Americans!!

American Girls and American Guys
We'll always stand up and salute
We'll always recognize
When we see Old Glory Flying
There's a lot of men dead
So we can sleep in peace at night
When we lay down our head

My daddy served in the army
Where he lost his right eye
But he flew a flag out in our yard
Until the day that he died
He wanted my mother, my brother, my sister and me
To grow up and live happy
In the land of the free.



"No Shake-N-Bake Americans"

Many of you act as if the people coming across the border are criminal.

If that is true..I'd imagine many of us are ancestors of criminals. I'm pretty sure the first several waves of English, Scottish, Irish, French, German, Spanish...etc... did not check in at "The North American Immigration and Nationalization" tent with passport and visa in hand... They did not ask permission. They took it by force, and continued to into the late 1800's... a little less then 120 years ago.

By this logic.. We should all be speaking some dialect of the aboriginal people. North American Indian.

The fact is.. there are many areas in this country, entire towns, parts of cities, with names like China Town, Little Italy, Irish town..etc. Were a majority of the elder people do not speak a lick of English, and the community allows for that. This is the way things have always been!

Some of what I read here would have me thinking many of you believe that English was invented here and has been spoken here since the beginning of time.

It takes at least one generation..maybe two, for a given family from anywhere that is not English speaking, to show signs of naturalization.

So.. in essence.. maybe the Senators that voted against this, were taking into consideration...Oh... I don't know... The BIG picture?

Our world is changing folks. It is becoming harder and harder to pretend to be isolated.

If you think that making the official language of the United States, English is a good deterrent to illegal aliens coming across our borders? You are one of a majority who is feeding the political fire that might really be consuming our tax dollars. Not the other way around.

We are spending an average of 90 billion a year on the War on Iraq. We estimate a budget of 100 billion a year to remove the Illegal aliens within our border now. Which will be replaced by a wave as soon as those jobs are open. So then another 100 billion, then they come back.. and so on, and so on...

So.. The war on Illegals may just break our back quicker then the real war we are fighting abroad. Simply because we are fighting it backwards..in the same manner we fight the war on drugs.

They come here for a better life. Of course, if they did it the right way? That would be good for you and me... But it puts them in competition with you and me, which is bad for many of them. They come here because there are corporations, businesses and private citizens that put them to work at substandard wages, with no insurance, no social security, no benefits. All so they can stay competitive in the world market.

So long as these jobs are available.. they will fill them. They will get here for those jobs, no matter how many hurdles you put before them.

A legal immigrant probably won't take those jobs...because he or she will be applying for jobs in line with you and I.

So.. Just like the drug war, which we throw 45+ billion at every year.. We focus on the source, not the demand... and the war is not winnable.

How about we use a majority of that 100 billion to reduce the demand. Use it for tax incentives and assistance to help pay standard wages to legal workers. All of a sudden, there is an enormous reduction of demand for illegal workers.

We may spend 100 billion, but we will spend it once, then it may shrink to a 20 billion annual cost.. Not 100 billion for eternity.

Keep blaming the Mexicans.... or whoever/ whatever you are blaming. It feeds the machine you are mad it. You should be blaming the powers in this country that want to run this issue into perpetuity..because it works...for them.

jist, those who are adamant about this issue are harboring other deeper darker issues. It is obvious because anyone with a sense of the world and people can see that english being spoken in America is a given, there will never be a change to english being the main language spoken here. They are manifesting their other more sinister issues into this one and making it a major issue. At the cost mind you to the tax payers.........

Jistme,
Im starting a new thread about FBI statistics of crimes by illegal immigrants!

Thats the Federal Bureau of Investigation Dragon not racist!!

Agreed dragoness.

However.. I've found that sometimes when you pull someone out of the shadows and let them know that their emotional reaction is actually hitting them in the wallet.... and someone (or in this case somecne(s) in power is using their emotion against them... Their mood might change.

The powers I am talking about are political as you have hinted at.. as well as our military, legislators, lawmakers, and lawyers. Mot to mention, law enforcement, prison systems... All of these entities benefit from the two most backward wars ever played out on this earth in history.

The war on drugs, and the war on illegals.

If they played to win...and reduced the demand by treating addicts and reducing substandard wage jobs? Then they themselves might be out of a job. Next thing ya know.. we see guys in three piece suits, driving trucks with lawn mowers in the back around the better parts of Richmond. They were lawyers, legislators and politicians the day before.

I'd kinda like to live long enough to see that day!
The reason they continue? Because they can play a majority of us on emotion.

Thank you, Fanta .

Those that either don't understand or refuse to understand try in a pathetic attempt to cover their ignorance by hurling "insults" such as "Racist". Name calling is the first refuge of the ignorant.

Until people remove their head from the figurative sand and take an honest look at what's happening around us, the problem of illegal immigrants, and the problems it begats, will continue to grow.

Fanta46 said:
Jistme,
Im starting a new thread about FBI statistics of crimes by illegal immigrants!

Yup..agreed.. and most of that crime stems directly from the drug trade. One of them backward wars that the FBI participates in.

Try to step far enough away from your emotion... maybe your vision will clear.

Jist me...yup...I habe been privey to the info on the drug trade and our Government, its arms===CIA.FBI.OSBI,As well as DEA. Most are involved. Some bring it in. It is a set up sp much of the time. If you really want to good stuff...go to one of them. I'm not shi8ing you.

This is just another ploy to get our minds away from the real issues that are happening as we speak. Something to give these a-holes to do. I mean...hey....we pay them. May as well look like they really are working, right?

I just don't get it; we know what we speak, why bother making a law that gets us nowhere? Besides, where did that language (english, American?) come from? It sure wasn't native to this country.

Kat

However...since we most speak American English, I do believe we should make it mandatory to learn it to work here.

I have always liked learning new languages. I took Spanish in grade and Junior high school. They teach all kinds of languages now. All kinds.

I am still looking into learning more Spanish, because I like being able to know what is being said;as well as being able to communicate with those that do speak another language.

Kat

In France, offical business is conducted in French.

In Italy, official business is conducted in Italian.

In Germany, official business is conducted in German.

In America, why the hell do I have to press 1 for English?

Well American is going to be what we call spanglish. There is no law saying that English is the official language. English is the De Facto language, but still there is no law.
I wouldn't expect to see a law passed either. Does it really matter? How inconvenienced have you been by people who don't speak English? It seems like a pointless issue to distract from other things that are more important.