I know how strict Christian religion is on several things. One of the biggest things is sex before marriage. Personally I think it's just a tradition that long ago was created by strict Catholic Priests. Don't get me wrong it's a great idea but I just think it's just traditional. I know there is a connection with the person you have sex with so it shouldn't be some random person you just grab off the street, it should be with someone special to you.

I believe that as long as you're a fairly good person in life you'll go to heaven. Jesus died on the cross for our sins.

I just really want your thoughts on this.

i dont think very many people who say they wont have sex b4 marriage dont stick 2 their guns past a certain age, guys because well, theyre guys and r perpetually horny and gals because guys coerce them
really i dont think that anyone who can wont have sex b4 marriage no matter how devout they r

1 while it is scriptully wrong I have to say i think alot of people do.
2 the only way in to heaven is through repentence an asking to be saved.
i think a sin is a sin no matter if its sex or a lie no sin is greater than the other . thank god because i am a long ways from being an angel lol.

To each their own..........

I have came to think of this topic differently through the years.

Earlier in life, before I had experienced a love outside of the confines of family, I knew not what it was like to purely love another... and therefore, could not grip the concept of what that union(sex) between a man and a woman truly would come to mean...to me.

Pure love itself requires a seperate thread...lol...however,

Pre-marital "sex"... first off, I have came to depise that word, because of how trivialized it has truly become... it is everywhere in advertising and television... portrayed in such a way that, should one's main source of "knowledge" come from what is "out there", they are done an astronomical dis-service by such teachings and understandings... LUST is all it is...

In a romantic partnership, if the parties come to truly love one another on a whole prior to having sexual relations ...lol... (thanks Bill Clinton)... that experience will far outweigh the "same" one in different a situation...
One that does not wait until love is love for love... not lust.

Consider this... how many marraiges have ended, relationships have not made it, all based on comparison... Ahhh... WHAT comparison you may ask? How many insecurities would be completely avoided if everyone waited until they were married?

There would be no one to wonder "what if" about... there would not be people who were in a relationship, in which they may have turned into a permanent one, but the sex was not "good enough"... if it were the only sex that they knew.

I welcome all thoughts on this. I'm not going to chew anybody out because they might think it's just wrong, I'm not that type of person, but I'd them to explain their thoughts too. I'm not trying to change anybodies religion or anything but I do think if you are a nice person in life you'll be sent to a nice place when you pass.

I wanted to just kinda put this out there...

According to my understanding, which I could look up should the need arise, the Bible defines a marriage as a covenant between a woman and a man and God... no pastor required...

And for those who are not heterosexual, I can assure you that the intent behind this post was merely to show why I do not believe that a pastor is needed... not that I am against gays... because I am not.

Me personally, sex before and during marriage is the norm. I don't see needing a piece of paper to give me consent. That's our decision and that's who makes it.

first off

what is the definition of marriage

and which one is this thread referring to

if speaking of govt registration

forget it the govt has no business

regulating the union between to consenting adults

yes Jesus died on the cross for our sins... but you need to have faith in Jesus adn believe on him to go to heaven... The Bible explains 2 different types of Faith... there is DEAD FAITH... adn there is JUSTIFYING FAITH.... the book of James chapter 2 versus 19 adn 20 I beleive... THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE AND TREMBLE BUT WILT THOU KNOW A VAIN MAN FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD... justifying faith leaves the desire to do the will of God... and when you have that desire you try and do what the Bible tells us to.. not make excuses around why you can break what the bible tells us to...

OK now for clarification i am not saying i am perfect I sin everyday.. just trying to respond to the question with my thoughts

Oh...lol...by the way, I have never waited until marriage...

The principle still holds a great amount weight though, as I understand it to be...

So there!!...lol... :insert little laughing man here:

I don’t believe that there is anything sinful about sex period.

Sex is the epitome of love. How can it be sinful to love?

However, please keep in mind that I can only speak for myself. To me sex is an act of love, period. I’m not attracted to many form of sex that other people seem to be. Pornography does nothing for me, if everyone were like me there would be no such thing as pornography, no one would want to create it or view it.

So I guess it’s up to the individual on how they view sex.

There is nothing sinful about sex for me.

That’s really all I can say.

I’m naturally totally monogamous and would never dream of having sex with someone I’m not committed to. However, if they aren’t committed to me I can hardly help that. I can’t be responsible for THEIR point of view. Therefore it may be possible for me to have sex with a woman and it not be a sin for me, yet it is a sin for her simply because each have differnet motivations.

To me, sin is all about intent and motivation. It’s not just an act. And that proven by the Christian view of sex! Sex out of wedlock is a sin, sex within marriage is not a sin.

SAME ACT different conclusions! SAME ACT is a sin in one instance and not in another.

So sin is NECESSARILY associate with INTENT, not simply an ACT like so many people keep erroneously claiming!

After the 'faith-god-religion' collapsed myths, 'sex-love' is certainly right there as the the second biggest moral lie of all humanity.

Sex is sex. Love is Love.

To collapse the two, simply cheats both of their inherent merits.

If 'love' is going to be reduced to sex: the most instinctive and fundamental function of the reptilian brain: the primate reproductive system, most humans will simply never experience 'Love'.

When religion and dogma takes control of people's ability to think for themselves, and offer them a confused and senseless collapse of 'Love-morality-ethics-principles-one's own conscience-sex' bulk combo, which was originally intended as a controlliung and administrative feature to keep the souls in the 'religious family' so to speak, Love is no longer love, and 'sex' simply becomes the most shamefull 'potential' sin on the planet after murder.

Anyway, I expect flack from it, but 'sex' and 'love' only randomly meet, but have nothing to do with one another.

I love sailing, and nobody has ever asked me to marry my sailboat before the 'act' !!!

I know, I know, you'll tell me sailing does not have the potential of 'making babies'. And I'll humbly suggest to you that 'love' has no more to do with 'making babies' or having sex, than it has with sailing.

Sailing can most certainly happen without 'love' involved, and so can sex, and making babies. Open your eyes and look around.

'Love' is the only true and free choice, which only human beings have the conscious and willfull option to apply to each and all of their life experiences.

The 'chosing' of Love, is the most fundamental free choice everyone has to make with one's conscience period, whether it is around the 'act' of sex, or any other occurence of life.

Now, to avoid the potentially ugly judgements, be clear that I'm not an advocate of the 'anything goes', morals and principles less approach to life in general, or sexual practice in particular.

I have been in 'Love', and married with my life partner and mother of our children for the past 30 years.

I 'Love' my wife first and foremost. And I also happen to have lots of passionate sex with her. I never looked at monogamy as a sacrifice, neither has she.

We both are convinced that it had a lot to do with the fact that we consciously avoided collapsing our sexual playground, and our Love for one another, form the start of our relationship: no guilt packing, no sex penalty box out of 'settling accounts', etc. The fact that 'love' has often been present during our sexual acts, is but one of the sweetest mysteries of life. I am willing for it to occur as often as it will, and I am most thankful for it, when it does.

While it may sound paradoxical, it is when you don't impose the moralistic condition of 'Love' as a condition to 'sex', that the two may converge, and remind you of life's absolute bliss. Take the moral and ethical questions and conditions out the bedroom, and place them where they belong, with each person's own conscience.

sex before marriage...it's on the two involved.

Sin? Hebrew definition and use of the word describes 'error' or 'mistake'.

It's wriiten that Jesus was asked whose wife would a remarried woman be in His Kingdom, and He replied that we don't marry in Heaven.

So, is procreation of new souls the point behind sexual activity in the Mind of God? I tend to reason that's so.

Is pleasure an error? I reason that it's not, in an intimate and long term relationship.

Is marriage necessary? Not in an uneven playing field within a liberal society. But for the sake of children and family it has unarguably strong merit.

To the Stoic mind, my opinion is moot.

To the religious, my opinion is heretical.

In my mind, intent and truthful sincerity is all that matters.

JMO, my JSH friends

wouldee,

You wrote:
"... In my mind, intent and truthful sincerity is all that matters..."

Solid nuances overall, and brilliant conclusion.

Cheers!!!

when it says to be fruitful and multiply...i must have missed the part where it said only if a marriage certificate is in hand...

fun in the TOMB!!!!

Wouldee - great post

and I've enjoyed others you submitted as well.

I know for my 15 year old she has already said she is saving herself for marriage. I have mixed feelings on it....I don't think you can really know a man until you live with him...which I have and did with my husband of 26 years. Before I was a Christian and understood the biblical sense of it. I guess you can look at it as old fashioned or not of these times but I do know alot of young girls who are choosing to wait.

Voil

Sex is sex. Love is Love

Wouldee, great post


feralcat,
that has to be something a lot of christians ponder over, living with someone isn't for me (legally as well as morally), but that's for each individual to decide -