Topic: Jesus our father?
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Sat 08/06/16 06:01 AM
Edited by CowboyGH on Sat 08/06/16 06:02 AM
Not saying I know it all or correctly.. but show me or prove to me where Jesus is not our father by scriptural evidence please. I've grown up and through life I always here of Jesus being just the "son of God"... show me specifically in the scriptures where Jesus is not "God" himself and we'll speak of the verses in context. If you show me this, first thing I'll show you is that Jesus our "LORD God" created us, gave us life, and created everything including the Heavens. And and always has been since the "beginning of Time"

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Sat 08/06/16 06:09 AM

Not saying I know it all or correctly.. but show me or prove to me where Jesus is not our father by scriptural evidence please. I've grown up and through life I always here of Jesus being just the "son of God"... show me specifically in the scriptures where Jesus is not "God" himself and we'll speak of the verses in context. If you show me this, first thing I'll show you is that Jesus our "LORD God" created us, gave us life, and created everything including the Heavens. And and always has been since the "beginning of Time"


Reason I ask this and I know I've posted simular threads before, but reason I ask this is Jesus is always just looked as the son of God. But show me please where Jesus refers to his father specifically or his God specifically or any other being as being our God or father besides himself "I am the LORD thy God.

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Mon 08/29/16 05:01 PM
Edited by MusicStarlight on Mon 08/29/16 05:02 PM
I know what you mean. I was taught under similar doctrine until I started studying for myself. I Corinthians 15:24 brought me out of that doctrine. Impossible to hand something over to yourself. I think the scripture would have said that He would keep or maintain it if it was just Jesus. Instead, I have come to learn that Jesus, whether in Heaven or on earth, acts out the Father's thoughts/wishes. The Father wanted it to be and Jesus made it be, and without Him [Jesus] there was nothing made that was made. Then you can read down to 27 where it talks about the Father placing all things under Jesus except for Himself [God, the Father]. Verse 28 can be included because it talks about both of them. If you have read further in the New Testament, these passages give light to Colossians 1:19-20.

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Tue 09/13/16 05:31 AM

I know what you mean. I was taught under similar doctrine until I started studying for myself. I Corinthians 15:24 brought me out of that doctrine. Impossible to hand something over to yourself. I think the scripture would have said that He would keep or maintain it if it was just Jesus. Instead, I have come to learn that Jesus, whether in Heaven or on earth, acts out the Father's thoughts/wishes. The Father wanted it to be and Jesus made it be, and without Him [Jesus] there was nothing made that was made. Then you can read down to 27 where it talks about the Father placing all things under Jesus except for Himself [God, the Father]. Verse 28 can be included because it talks about both of them. If you have read further in the New Testament, these passages give light to Colossians 1:19-20.


1 Corinthians 15:24-27

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

Very good mention. My intention of this post/direction wasn't meaning that each time it says like "God the Father" or any numerous alterations that it was referring to Jesus. Yes the are two separate beings, or else it would be a lie when Jesus says "I return too my father, I share the love of my father, or even down to when he was on the cross yelling out "my father, my father, why hast that forsaken me" and so forth. But I was trying to bring to light, Jesus' father is NEVER referenced as our father or our God. And with my knowledge/belief of that, thought it interesting to share and possibly learn differently if it is actually said and I missed. Reason I thought this to be important is because the "Christian" faith in general as a whole teaches Jesus as just being the "son of God". But is not recognized very well as our God in general. So presented this too display it was Jesus Christ, our God whom created us, judges us, is the one that answers our prayers, ect. And thought it was to bring this up, as again the credit has always gone to "the Father". Which whom is his will, but nevertheless Jesus our God carries those actions out. It is Jesus himself that answers our prayers, blesses us, and so forth. Which is not "generally" thought of, taught, or maybe even seen through the different Christian beliefs as a whole. For again we are not brothers and sisters with Jesus. And once more he never references his father or his God as ours. And was hoping for some possible enlightenment to maybe something I might have missed or misunderstand scripturally shown.

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Tue 09/13/16 05:39 AM


I know what you mean. I was taught under similar doctrine until I started studying for myself. I Corinthians 15:24 brought me out of that doctrine. Impossible to hand something over to yourself. I think the scripture would have said that He would keep or maintain it if it was just Jesus. Instead, I have come to learn that Jesus, whether in Heaven or on earth, acts out the Father's thoughts/wishes. The Father wanted it to be and Jesus made it be, and without Him [Jesus] there was nothing made that was made. Then you can read down to 27 where it talks about the Father placing all things under Jesus except for Himself [God, the Father]. Verse 28 can be included because it talks about both of them. If you have read further in the New Testament, these passages give light to Colossians 1:19-20.


1 Corinthians 15:24-27

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

Very good mention. My intention of this post/direction wasn't meaning that each time it says like "God the Father" or any numerous alterations that it was referring to Jesus. Yes the are two separate beings, or else it would be a lie when Jesus says "I return too my father, I share the love of my father, or even down to when he was on the cross yelling out "my father, my father, why hast that forsaken me" and so forth. But I was trying to bring to light, Jesus' father is NEVER referenced as our father or our God. And with my knowledge/belief of that, thought it interesting to share and possibly learn differently if it is actually said and I missed. Reason I thought this to be important is because the "Christian" faith in general as a whole teaches Jesus as just being the "son of God". But is not recognized very well as our God in general. So presented this too display it was Jesus Christ, our God whom created us, judges us, is the one that answers our prayers, ect. And thought it was to bring this up, as again the credit has always gone to "the Father". Which whom is his will, but nevertheless Jesus our God carries those actions out. It is Jesus himself that answers our prayers, blesses us, and so forth. Which is not "generally" thought of, taught, or maybe even seen through the different Christian beliefs as a whole. For again we are not brothers and sisters with Jesus. And once more he never references his father or his God as ours. And was hoping for some possible enlightenment to maybe something I might have missed or misunderstand scripturally shown.



And please keep verses in context as a whole. Jesus came in the "form" of a servant. So that would infer that next time we see Jesus, he won't be as "subtle" I think is the word I'm looking for lol. Won't be so passive so to speak, as he is, was, and will be "God of gods". And speaks many times of him "reining" Heaven and Earth, which would then in fact place him at the "top".

Philippians 2:7

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:


So next time Jesus is seen or physically experienced in person, he won't be "in the likeness of man" or "the form of a servant". We will see him in all his power, authority over all on Earth, above Earth, and below Earth.

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Thu 09/15/16 09:27 PM
I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say to keep verses in context as a whole. Did I not? Please point it out.

Colossians 1

19: For God in all His fullness was pleased to live in Christ,

20: and by Him [Jesus] God [the Father] reconciled everything to Himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of His blood on the cross

In John 8:29 Jesus says

He who sent Me is with me. He has not left me alone, because I always do what pleases Him.

I agree that Jesus did come in the form of a servant, but also notice the parable of the wicked tenants that Jesus spoke in Matthew 21:33-37. The son was the representative; delegated with all authority of the actual owner.

Jesus said that there is none good except for God (Mark 10:18). Knowing that the Father is good, He wants the best for His son. Since His Son always does what pleases Him, He trusts Him with everything. If you have children, wouldn't you want the world to receive them gracefully? We were designed with His likeness. He was the pattern for our design.

But to drive home your point...

Psalm 100:3.

Know that the Lord is God. It is He who made us, and we are His; we are His people, the sheep of His pasture.

So to sum it up, my point is that the Father is actually God and Jesus is His Son, however, they are both equal because the Father desires it. Father, Son, Holy Spirit are three that function as one. The good loving Father wanted something for His only begotten Son so had Him create everything for Himself. Jesus did everything according to the Father's good pleasure and in the end, (I Corinthians 15) He will give it to the Father. So Jesus did make us and the whole world (Psalm 24:1) and the Father sent Jesus to earth to be a raised by a carpenter, who also makes things. :)