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Topic: US Debt - Pay your share.
Conrad_73's photo
Sun 07/10/16 12:59 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 07/10/16 01:51 AM
need to get Government out of the Economy!
Separation of State and Economy,similar to the Separation of the State and Church!
Stop Government from picking Losers and Winners!
(can hear Lobbyists softly crying in the background pitchfork )

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Sun 07/10/16 03:40 AM

need to get Government out of the Economy!
Separation of State and Economy,similar to the Separation of the State and Church!
Stop Government from picking Losers and Winners!
(can hear Lobbyists softly crying in the background pitchfork )

then that's how confidencial will.....but will you? some theorial items already showing us the "anti-slavery" is illegal but who shall? it's too complicate when you set foot in the area of what econimiy is due to it's free will offers. back to the ancient there will be a family or tribals then only things you need to do is work for the clan then the clan will supporting your daily needs but now time is fleet things are change friends if you do so again those "soclialist" will call you as a slave. what else will you gona do? also by the whole social combine as one nation there're business duty and connects between every one so it can't be get the goverment out of the economy. it's the great chain showing us that no one can leaving it. unless there will be totaly liberation wave flooding the whole world pushing people go back to the original social and living under the traditional way will there shall be? since the west opening the mysterial east gate of trade it all begans.....mybe you should reserch the commonwealth history back to those age. i've reading many article about it's chasing back to those day i've working as a sailor on the pcific oceanry company. onece their chasing it's to solving such kind of globle and national econimical problem. but fact still the fact.....when people had oppened that pandora box they should consern about this issue but they won't then as the great sailing ager came..........drinker

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Sun 07/10/16 03:52 AM
and see that? even tax rate are more smaller then the debt rate as the war on terror started to finish......"War" the most expensive administration activities in this world......but even due to this sistituation still many student try to learn the art of millitary LOL strange? cool.......XD drinker so love your self leave the war along......explode what the war cosumes not only economy.........drinker

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Sun 07/10/16 03:58 AM
60052586077159 dollar means you can using these money to build a new country.......see that? the total national debts sum..........drinker

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Sun 07/10/16 04:02 AM
and try to ask your self how many bad contracts within these total 16047829865269 dollat personal debts......both unhealthy international cooporation projects and bussiness......then is that brexit is right or wrong? no one can charge........drinker but better for the centrol administration reform......or dead ends.........flowerforyou drinker

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Sun 07/10/16 04:07 AM
Edited by nailcap on Sun 07/10/16 04:08 AM
and the old dude trump still have chance to reform the southern border administation reform more or less i do belive no one want to see that after kind of wave flooding there will be another crim control crisis happening around those area.....the tax men should deserve what they've deserve isn't it??drinker

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sun 07/10/16 04:53 AM
If you study all of human history of the use and application of government or its lack...

... and you are NOT insistently biased to begin with...

... you will discover that there has never been an idyllic time or place, anywhere, ever.

This is not due to any particular FAULT in humanity, it is due to the very nature of existence itself, which is to say, that it is always changing.

Owing to that constant change, even with entirely brilliant leadership, no permanent single solution will ever work for an extended period of time. And since another basic fact of existence is, that the inhabitants of the world (including on a very localized basis) are always a very mixed lot, there CAN NEVER be a single approach which will be ideal for everyone.

All that means that life under any system, will involve a certain amount of work, that a certain number of exceptions to the primary system be allowed, and that a certain number of unavoidable consequences be accepted.

What modern day Laissez Faire capitalists (i.e. those who righteously proclaim that all government "interference" with business is "bad") either ignore, or lie to everyone about, is that in all societies and times when governments DID NOT attempt to regulate business, the results (due to humans not being universally angelic) were rather unpleasant for most people.

Humans are not NATURALLY honest and honorable. Some are, by dint of self-discipline, but they are very much in the minority. With no universal sense of honor, products and services are misrepresented, and justice is entirely dependent on each person's personal strength, and ability to commit greater violent acts against others, than can be committed against them.

That is WHY there have always been governments created, and why all governments have come to regulate business.

This same nature-of-existence factors is also why all attempts to solve human life problems through 100% governments (communism, theocracies, and other dictatorships) have ALSO always failed. Just as lack of any government requires 100% perfect humans to work, 100% government setups require 100% perfect humans always being in charge everywhere, in order to work.

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Sun 07/10/16 05:02 AM

If you study all of human history of the use and application of government or its lack...

... and you are NOT insistently biased to begin with...

... you will discover that there has never been an idyllic time or place, anywhere, ever.

This is not due to any particular FAULT in humanity, it is due to the very nature of existence itself, which is to say, that it is always changing.

Owing to that constant change, even with entirely brilliant leadership, no permanent single solution will ever work for an extended period of time. And since another basic fact of existence is, that the inhabitants of the world (including on a very localized basis) are always a very mixed lot, there CAN NEVER be a single approach which will be ideal for everyone.

All that means that life under any system, will involve a certain amount of work, that a certain number of exceptions to the primary system be allowed, and that a certain number of unavoidable consequences be accepted.

What modern day Laissez Faire capitalists (i.e. those who righteously proclaim that all government "interference" with business is "bad") either ignore, or lie to everyone about, is that in all societies and times when governments DID NOT attempt to regulate business, the results (due to humans not being universally angelic) were rather unpleasant for most people.

Humans are not NATURALLY honest and honorable. Some are, by dint of self-discipline, but they are very much in the minority. With no universal sense of honor, products and services are misrepresented, and justice is entirely dependent on each person's personal strength, and ability to commit greater violent acts against others, than can be committed against them.

That is WHY there have always been governments created, and why all governments have come to regulate business.

This same nature-of-existence factors is also why all attempts to solve human life problems through 100% governments (communism, theocracies, and other dictatorships) have ALSO always failed. Just as lack of any government requires 100% perfect humans to work, 100% government setups require 100% perfect humans always being in charge everywhere, in order to work.

then that's why those policys run.........but factors always due to varly tpye showing to the current it self then? the will be thousands way to solving the same sistituations but only under how people thinking right? there is no pill of regret in this world so goverment always advantage their policys. by neccesart means they're seek the most effective way to solving ever issues but missing the true enviroment it self some time. combine these point......you'll know why i researching the history of commenwealth. there'is always one political tatical point can handle many of them but return to the ancient people always conclusion as god's will. for example if some one try to shooting at you by reasons is there any way any idea to deal with such kind of trouble?(the sistituation is the gunner not realy want to shoot you) drinker

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Sun 07/10/16 09:01 AM

How about electing some politicians that know how to manage money! There are plenty of jobs out there for people who are willing to work, and if its fast food then NO you don't deserve $15 an hour,we can't be part of the world economy at that, that just brings the price of everything up and the poor will always end up wanting more. People who can't afford children should not have children and expect others to pay for it! All kinds of "poor people" have $700 cell phones, internet, cable TV , etc. Maybe they need to pay the rent and buy some food instead of spending on luxury items. We got it good in the USA compared to most places, but we have become spoiled, some people get it, and some people don't.


Well said.

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 07/10/16 09:29 AM

If you study all of human history of the use and application of government or its lack...

... and you are NOT insistently biased to begin with...

... you will discover that there has never been an idyllic time or place, anywhere, ever.

This is not due to any particular FAULT in humanity, it is due to the very nature of existence itself, which is to say, that it is always changing.

Owing to that constant change, even with entirely brilliant leadership, no permanent single solution will ever work for an extended period of time. And since another basic fact of existence is, that the inhabitants of the world (including on a very localized basis) are always a very mixed lot, there CAN NEVER be a single approach which will be ideal for everyone.

All that means that life under any system, will involve a certain amount of work, that a certain number of exceptions to the primary system be allowed, and that a certain number of unavoidable consequences be accepted.

What modern day Laissez Faire capitalists (i.e. those who righteously proclaim that all government "interference" with business is "bad") either ignore, or lie to everyone about, is that in all societies and times when governments DID NOT attempt to regulate business, the results (due to humans not being universally angelic) were rather unpleasant for most people.

Humans are not NATURALLY honest and honorable. Some are, by dint of self-discipline, but they are very much in the minority. With no universal sense of honor, products and services are misrepresented, and justice is entirely dependent on each person's personal strength, and ability to commit greater violent acts against others, than can be committed against them.

That is WHY there have always been governments created, and why all governments have come to regulate business.

This same nature-of-existence factors is also why all attempts to solve human life problems through 100% governments (communism, theocracies, and other dictatorships) have ALSO always failed. Just as lack of any government requires 100% perfect humans to work, 100% government setups require 100% perfect humans always being in charge everywhere, in order to work.

but,of course,the moment they get into Government,they are decidedly "Angelic"?
Private Citizens can't coerce another one to deal with him,only Government can do that!
So explain how Government can improve on inter-human Relationships?
Fraud will still be dealt with!
So are violent Acts!
But it is not right for a Government to be able to pick Winners and Losers!
That's what is called Fascism!
Big Brother-ism!
Some,for obvious reasons,of course do like that,but forget that their Loot will be looted by other Looters,and so on,and so on!laugh

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sun 07/10/16 05:34 PM


If you study all of human history of the use and application of government or its lack...

... and you are NOT insistently biased to begin with...

... you will discover that there has never been an idyllic time or place, anywhere, ever.

This is not due to any particular FAULT in humanity, it is due to the very nature of existence itself, which is to say, that it is always changing.

Owing to that constant change, even with entirely brilliant leadership, no permanent single solution will ever work for an extended period of time. And since another basic fact of existence is, that the inhabitants of the world (including on a very localized basis) are always a very mixed lot, there CAN NEVER be a single approach which will be ideal for everyone.

All that means that life under any system, will involve a certain amount of work, that a certain number of exceptions to the primary system be allowed, and that a certain number of unavoidable consequences be accepted.

What modern day Laissez Faire capitalists (i.e. those who righteously proclaim that all government "interference" with business is "bad") either ignore, or lie to everyone about, is that in all societies and times when governments DID NOT attempt to regulate business, the results (due to humans not being universally angelic) were rather unpleasant for most people.

Humans are not NATURALLY honest and honorable. Some are, by dint of self-discipline, but they are very much in the minority. With no universal sense of honor, products and services are misrepresented, and justice is entirely dependent on each person's personal strength, and ability to commit greater violent acts against others, than can be committed against them.

That is WHY there have always been governments created, and why all governments have come to regulate business.

This same nature-of-existence factors is also why all attempts to solve human life problems through 100% governments (communism, theocracies, and other dictatorships) have ALSO always failed. Just as lack of any government requires 100% perfect humans to work, 100% government setups require 100% perfect humans always being in charge everywhere, in order to work.

but,of course,the moment they get into Government,they are decidedly "Angelic"?
Private Citizens can't coerce another one to deal with him,only Government can do that!
So explain how Government can improve on inter-human Relationships?
Fraud will still be dealt with!
So are violent Acts!
But it is not right for a Government to be able to pick Winners and Losers!
That's what is called Fascism!
Big Brother-ism!
Some,for obvious reasons,of course do like that,but forget that their Loot will be looted by other Looters,and so on,and so on!laugh

Also talk to anyone who has raised children. Or ever hired someone to do a job for them. Talk to people who specialize in training others in self defense. Maybe talk to a convicted criminal, if necessary, and find out that individuals coerce each other all the time.

Then reread what I actually wrote, so that you can recognize that I did NOT say that joining a government causes someone to become angelic.


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Sun 07/10/16 06:49 PM
Edited for targeting other members
rather than the subject.

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Kindlightheart's photo
Sun 07/10/16 07:58 PM
Funny money...debts a joke..serious problem with no solution...unless start paying government employees and politicians slightly above minimum wage, have them set up traditional retirement plans like the rest of us..term limits...geez just saved millions limiting one money sucking pig...flowerforyou

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Sun 07/10/16 10:07 PM







FEDERAL RESERVE POWER

Let's start with a quote from U. S. Congress Representative Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency for 12 years, quoted from the Congressional Record:
"The Federal Reserve Board has cheated the Government of the United States and the people of the United States out of enough money to pay the national debt, Our people's money, to the extend of $1,200,000,000 has within the last few months been shipped abroad to redeem Federal Reserve Notes and to pay other gambling debts of the traitorous Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks ... "
http://www.federalbudget.com/fed.html
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Why the Fed & The National Debt Are Illegal
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/master_file/nationaldebt.htm
This Awareness indicates that you must understand that when the Federal Reserve Bank, the privately owned Federal Reserve bank, was given authority to print Federal Reserve notes instead of the Treasury Department writing the Treasury Notes as directed by the U.S. Constitution, these Federal Reserve notes were not printed to be given out to the economy, in the way as the Treasury Notes of the Treasury Department. Rather, they were loaned to the U.S. government and then circulated into society, and society was required to pay back interest on the IRS notes and that amount of interest accumulated to the point of approximately 5 trillion dollars at this time (Revelations of Awareness newsletter issue no. 430 1994), to where, if everything in the United States were sold, half of the debt would still be owed.This Awareness indicates that the Treasury Department has the potential for totally denouncing the Federal Reserve debt of 5 trillion dollars because it was illegal in the first place. The Treasury Department in the U.S. Constitution is the only proper way of financing the nation; Congress, operating the Treasury Department has the right to mint and coin money, and set the value thereof.
This Awareness indicates that in this fact, the Federal Reserve was never given any such a right, even with the vote of the Congress, because Congress did not have the right to relegate its obligations to the Federal Reserve, therefore the entire debt of five trillion dollars, because it was illegal in the fist place, is not forcible in a technical sense.



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Sun 07/10/16 11:12 PM
Edited by Valeris on Sun 07/10/16 11:13 PM











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Mon 07/11/16 02:48 PM
:smile: Yep

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