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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. umm, Obama 'politics' is responsible for reversing the division by lifting bans on gay and transgender and passing equal marriage laws Obama isn't responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....same sex marriage was made legal in all 50 states through litigation in courts. By the appeal process it reached the SCOTUS and the Court held in a 5–4 decision that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples by both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States. It was a Supreme Court ruling, not a law, that made same sex marriage legal. well, if one can claim he is responsible for division with nothing to back up the claim I just provide the counterargument with examples cant claim its courts reversing decisions but not courts making them either courts were responsible for the division, and now the unifying,, or they weren't So your thinking is if someone says something that is OPINION based that you think is wrong it makes sense for you to counter it with something that is DEFINETLY wrong? Got it. 
lol no,if someone posts an opinion without anything to back it up that I feel is 'wrong' when I counter with what I feel is 'right', I attempt to back it up with Reason and evidence of why I feel that way my thinking is opinions backed by some substance and proof, are stronger than those that are just opinion You said Obama politics was responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....there is NO SUCH LAW.....there is NO SUBSTANCE or PROOF in making a blatantly FALSE statement. Keep spinning.....I know it makes you feel good. 
nah, it just tickles me sometimes reading the pedantic comebacks of those really believing their own nonsense I used a phrase that you used, ,just as loosely 'Obama politics' is responsible , as you put it, for the reversal of legislation not recognizing same sex marriage and the repeal of legislation not allowing homosexuals to openly serve all better? :laugh |
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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. umm, Obama 'politics' is responsible for reversing the division by lifting bans on gay and transgender and passing equal marriage laws Obama isn't responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....same sex marriage was made legal in all 50 states through litigation in courts. By the appeal process it reached the SCOTUS and the Court held in a 5–4 decision that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples by both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States. It was a Supreme Court ruling, not a law, that made same sex marriage legal. well, if one can claim he is responsible for division with nothing to back up the claim I just provide the counterargument with examples cant claim its courts reversing decisions but not courts making them either courts were responsible for the division, and now the unifying,, or they weren't So your thinking is if someone says something that is OPINION based that you think is wrong it makes sense for you to counter it with something that is DEFINETLY wrong? Got it.
lol no,if someone posts an opinion without anything to back it up that I feel is 'wrong' when I counter with what I feel is 'right', I attempt to back it up with Reason and evidence of why I feel that way my thinking is opinions backed by some substance and proof, are stronger than those that are just opinion You said Obama politics was responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....there is NO SUCH LAW.....there is NO SUBSTANCE or PROOF in making a blatantly FALSE statement. Keep spinning.....I know it makes you feel good.
nah, it just tickles me sometimes reading the pedantic comebacks of those really believing their own nonsense I used a phrase that you used, ,just as loosely 'Obama politics' is responsible , as you put it, for the reversal of legislation not recognizing same sex marriage and the repeal of legislation not allowing homosexuals to openly serve all better? :laugh I DIDN'T say Obama was responsible for anything, I was saying that YOU incorrectly said he was responsible for something. He wasn't responsible for the SCOTUS ruling, it was private citizens who brought the case before the court, not the federal government. He agreed with the Court, but it doesn't make him responsible for the ruling. As for homosexuals openly serving, that wasn't a legislative issue, it was a policy issue. There was no legislation that was repealed, there was a reversal of the Clinton policy of "Don't ask. don't tell". You should know that since in order to repeal legislation there has to be congressional passage which would be blocked by those "evil" Republicans.
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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. No qualifiers eh? So just do away with the ASVAB, MEPS, Medical Exams, Boot Camp, AIT, Ranger School, BUDS, SERE etc. So just have them sign a form, give them a gun and tell them to get on their way? More Liberal logic at it's finest. |
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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. Well, the foxhole phase of " cover my rear" will take on a whole new meaning.. that's for sure. Yea, when there is a gay soldier with another male soldier in a hot zone, under heavy fire all's he is thinking about doing is screwing the guy with him.
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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. umm, Obama 'politics' is responsible for reversing the division by lifting bans on gay and transgender and passing equal marriage laws the division of the country was probably at its heighth during slavery,, and has only become more subtly divided and less blantantly,, the increase has little to do with any one person but the American culture at large I agree though, if one can pass the tests and agree to the confomance and rules involved for everyone else'' let them serve if they require 'additional' , let them remain civilian HOLY $HIT! We actually agree on something!
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Edited by
Lpdon
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Tue 06/28/16 11:52 PM
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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. umm, Obama 'politics' is responsible for reversing the division by lifting bans on gay and transgender and passing equal marriage laws Obama isn't responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....same sex marriage was made legal in all 50 states through litigation in courts. By the appeal process it reached the SCOTUS and the Court held in a 5–4 decision that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples by both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States. It was a Supreme Court ruling, not a law, that made same sex marriage legal. well, if one can claim he is responsible for division with nothing to back up the claim I just provide the counterargument with examples cant claim its courts reversing decisions but not courts making them either courts were responsible for the division, and now the unifying,, or they weren't I will give Obama some credit. He EVENTUALLY backed same sex marriage and gays in the military, but that was only after he was pushed into it by key allies and major LGBT lobbyists. It did take guts to do what he did because less then 5% of the population is gay and no one Republican or Democrat wanted either marriage or military to pass, except the California Congressional Caucus. |
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Obama isn't responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....same sex marriage was made legal in all 50 states through litigation in courts. By the appeal process it reached the SCOTUS and the Court held in a 5–4 decision that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples by both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States. It was a Supreme Court ruling, not a law, that made same sex marriage legal. Just to be clear, The Supreme Court only deals with laws, they determine if a law is constitutional or not, To say it was the Supreme Court and not a law is misguided. |
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Serchin4MyRedWine
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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. well, if one can claim he is responsible for division with nothing to back up the claim I just provide the counterargument with examples cant claim its courts reversing decisions but not courts making them either courts were responsible for the division, and now the unifying,, or they weren't You obviously don't think Obama is divisive. I'll just say this, whether it is in management, sports, politics or many other theaters in life, when you want to bring people together you highlight the things we have in common. If you want to divide people you highlight the differences between people. Obama has taken every opportunity he can to highlight the differences in people,gay/ straight, rich/poor, white/black. He plays the race card like no other leader has, he gets involved with Trevor Martin and others but remains silent when a young women is gunned down by illegal immigrant or there is bloodshed on the streets of Chicago. The only thing he seems bent on not dividing is Muslims, pretending that Islamic Terrorists don't exist, it's just thugs and gun violence. 
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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. umm, Obama 'politics' is responsible for reversing the division by lifting bans on gay and transgender and passing equal marriage laws Obama isn't responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....same sex marriage was made legal in all 50 states through litigation in courts. By the appeal process it reached the SCOTUS and the Court held in a 5–4 decision that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples by both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States. It was a Supreme Court ruling, not a law, that made same sex marriage legal. well, if one can claim he is responsible for division with nothing to back up the claim I just provide the counterargument with examples cant claim its courts reversing decisions but not courts making them either courts were responsible for the division, and now the unifying,, or they weren't So your thinking is if someone says something that is OPINION based that you think is wrong it makes sense for you to counter it with something that is DEFINETLY wrong? Got it.
lol no,if someone posts an opinion without anything to back it up that I feel is 'wrong' when I counter with what I feel is 'right', I attempt to back it up with Reason and evidence of why I feel that way my thinking is opinions backed by some substance and proof, are stronger than those that are just opinion You said Obama politics was responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....there is NO SUCH LAW.....there is NO SUBSTANCE or PROOF in making a blatantly FALSE statement. Keep spinning.....I know it makes you feel good.
nah, it just tickles me sometimes reading the pedantic comebacks of those really believing their own nonsense I used a phrase that you used, ,just as loosely 'Obama politics' is responsible , as you put it, for the reversal of legislation not recognizing same sex marriage and the repeal of legislation not allowing homosexuals to openly serve all better? :laugh I DIDN'T say Obama was responsible for anything, I was saying that YOU incorrectly said he was responsible for something. He wasn't responsible for the SCOTUS ruling, it was private citizens who brought the case before the court, not the federal government. He agreed with the Court, but it doesn't make him responsible for the ruling. As for homosexuals openly serving, that wasn't a legislative issue, it was a policy issue. There was no legislation that was repealed, there was a reversal of the Clinton policy of "Don't ask. don't tell". You should know that since in order to repeal legislation there has to be congressional passage which would be blocked by those "evil" Republicans.
oh come now,, don't be shy 'This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. ' its IMPLIED that OBama has direct effect on 'dividing' everyone and he had to sign legislation for repealing DADT point still being,, if one is going to place OBAMA politics in their accusations about divisiveness,,,, they are implying that OBAMA has responsibility,,,,,, so if they are challenged regarding that opinion,, they should put up or shut up,,,lol divisiveness, and the LGBT issues being the topic here,,, whoever holds the power , holds the power,, and if one claims it is the courts who hold the power,, it is the courts who had the power over the increase and decrease of 'divisiveness' |
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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. well, if one can claim he is responsible for division with nothing to back up the claim I just provide the counterargument with examples cant claim its courts reversing decisions but not courts making them either courts were responsible for the division, and now the unifying,, or they weren't You obviously don't think Obama is divisive. I'll just say this, whether it is in management, sports, politics or many other theaters in life, when you want to bring people together you highlight the things we have in common. If you want to divide people you highlight the differences between people. Obama has taken every opportunity he can to highlight the differences in people,gay/ straight, rich/poor, white/black. He plays the race card like no other leader has, he gets involved with Trevor Martin and others but remains silent when a young women is gunned down by illegal immigrant or there is bloodshed on the streets of Chicago. The only thing he seems bent on not dividing is Muslims, pretending that Islamic Terrorists don't exist, it's just thugs and gun violence.
umm, its TREYVON,, and justice , IM sure,swiftly dealt with the 'illegal immigrant' and the bloodshed of 'criminals' ,,UNLESS They wear a uniform,, that was the point and its so 'divisive' to call for equal rights for the lgbt community, and for policies to improve relations between police and their communities, I understand how its so 'divisive' to be a black man with a black wife and say a son would look like a black young man,,,lol but its 'truth' to talk about how islam is an 'enemy' and muslims should be watched, and that most Mexicans coming here are not decent and blacks commit most murder against whites, and belittle a handicapped man, and etc,,and etc,,, most divisive,,,ridiculous but anyhow a lot of empty claims there,, but everyone has their own perspective on reailty,,,,, 
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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. umm, Obama 'politics' is responsible for reversing the division by lifting bans on gay and transgender and passing equal marriage laws Obama isn't responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....same sex marriage was made legal in all 50 states through litigation in courts. By the appeal process it reached the SCOTUS and the Court held in a 5–4 decision that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples by both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States. It was a Supreme Court ruling, not a law, that made same sex marriage legal. well, if one can claim he is responsible for division with nothing to back up the claim I just provide the counterargument with examples cant claim its courts reversing decisions but not courts making them either courts were responsible for the division, and now the unifying,, or they weren't So your thinking is if someone says something that is OPINION based that you think is wrong it makes sense for you to counter it with something that is DEFINETLY wrong? Got it.
lol no,if someone posts an opinion without anything to back it up that I feel is 'wrong' when I counter with what I feel is 'right', I attempt to back it up with Reason and evidence of why I feel that way my thinking is opinions backed by some substance and proof, are stronger than those that are just opinion You said Obama politics was responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....there is NO SUCH LAW.....there is NO SUBSTANCE or PROOF in making a blatantly FALSE statement. Keep spinning.....I know it makes you feel good.
nah, it just tickles me sometimes reading the pedantic comebacks of those really believing their own nonsense I used a phrase that you used, ,just as loosely 'Obama politics' is responsible , as you put it, for the reversal of legislation not recognizing same sex marriage and the repeal of legislation not allowing homosexuals to openly serve all better? :laugh I DIDN'T say Obama was responsible for anything, I was saying that YOU incorrectly said he was responsible for something. He wasn't responsible for the SCOTUS ruling, it was private citizens who brought the case before the court, not the federal government. He agreed with the Court, but it doesn't make him responsible for the ruling. As for homosexuals openly serving, that wasn't a legislative issue, it was a policy issue. There was no legislation that was repealed, there was a reversal of the Clinton policy of "Don't ask. don't tell". You should know that since in order to repeal legislation there has to be congressional passage which would be blocked by those "evil" Republicans.
oh come now,, don't be shy 'This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. ' its IMPLIED that OBama has direct effect on 'dividing' everyone and he had to sign legislation for repealing DADT point still being,, if one is going to place OBAMA politics in their accusations about divisiveness,,,, they are implying that OBAMA has responsibility,,,,,, so if they are challenged regarding that opinion,, they should put up or shut up,,,lol divisiveness, and the LGBT issues being the topic here,,, whoever holds the power , holds the power,, and if one claims it is the courts who hold the power,, it is the courts who had the power over the increase and decrease of 'divisiveness' I get it, you LOVE Obama. The difference between you and I, is I don't love any politician. It's what allows me to separate opinion from fact and from being a zealot attempting to defend someone with erroneous statements. It's why I don't make things up to support ANY politician and conversely I don't make things up to criticize any politician. You are CORRECT he repealed DADT....but you originally said Obama was responsible for the "repeal of legislation not allowing homosexuals to openly serve".....which is INCORRECT. Once again, it WASN'T repealed through the legislative process, it was a policy change because....are you ready????..... DADT was a POLICY, not a LAW. |
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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. well, if one can claim he is responsible for division with nothing to back up the claim I just provide the counterargument with examples cant claim its courts reversing decisions but not courts making them either courts were responsible for the division, and now the unifying,, or they weren't You obviously don't think Obama is divisive. I'll just say this, whether it is in management, sports, politics or many other theaters in life, when you want to bring people together you highlight the things we have in common. If you want to divide people you highlight the differences between people. Obama has taken every opportunity he can to highlight the differences in people,gay/ straight, rich/poor, white/black. He plays the race card like no other leader has, he gets involved with Trevor Martin and others but remains silent when a young women is gunned down by illegal immigrant or there is bloodshed on the streets of Chicago. The only thing he seems bent on not dividing is Muslims, pretending that Islamic Terrorists don't exist, it's just thugs and gun violence.
umm, its TREYVON,, and justice , IM sure,swiftly dealt with the 'illegal immigrant' and the bloodshed of 'criminals' ,,UNLESS They wear a uniform,, that was the point and its so 'divisive' to call for equal rights for the lgbt community, and for policies to improve relations between police and their communities, I understand how its so 'divisive' to be a black man with a black wife and say a son would look like a black young man,,,lol but its 'truth' to talk about how islam is an 'enemy' and muslims should be watched, and that most Mexicans coming here are not decent and blacks commit most murder against whites, and belittle a handicapped man, and etc,,and etc,,, most divisive,,,ridiculous but anyhow a lot of empty claims there,, but everyone has their own perspective on reailty,,,,,
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Obama isn't responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....same sex marriage was made legal in all 50 states through litigation in courts. By the appeal process it reached the SCOTUS and the Court held in a 5–4 decision that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples by both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States. It was a Supreme Court ruling, not a law, that made same sex marriage legal. Just to be clear, The Supreme Court only deals with laws, they determine if a law is constitutional or not, To say it was the Supreme Court and not a law is misguided. Just to be clear....the debate is about "same sex marriage laws" having been passed, which wasn't done. I KNOW the SCOTUS deals with the constitutionality of laws, which is what they did and which I pointed out even citing the amendments used in their decision that same-sex marriage is a fundamental right. Nothing I said was misguided, I never insinuated nor implied the SCOTUS rulings weren't related to laws. |
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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. umm, Obama 'politics' is responsible for reversing the division by lifting bans on gay and transgender and passing equal marriage laws Obama isn't responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....same sex marriage was made legal in all 50 states through litigation in courts. By the appeal process it reached the SCOTUS and the Court held in a 5–4 decision that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples by both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States. It was a Supreme Court ruling, not a law, that made same sex marriage legal. well, if one can claim he is responsible for division with nothing to back up the claim I just provide the counterargument with examples cant claim its courts reversing decisions but not courts making them either courts were responsible for the division, and now the unifying,, or they weren't So your thinking is if someone says something that is OPINION based that you think is wrong it makes sense for you to counter it with something that is DEFINETLY wrong? Got it.
lol no,if someone posts an opinion without anything to back it up that I feel is 'wrong' when I counter with what I feel is 'right', I attempt to back it up with Reason and evidence of why I feel that way my thinking is opinions backed by some substance and proof, are stronger than those that are just opinion You said Obama politics was responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....there is NO SUCH LAW.....there is NO SUBSTANCE or PROOF in making a blatantly FALSE statement. Keep spinning.....I know it makes you feel good.
nah, it just tickles me sometimes reading the pedantic comebacks of those really believing their own nonsense I used a phrase that you used, ,just as loosely 'Obama politics' is responsible , as you put it, for the reversal of legislation not recognizing same sex marriage and the repeal of legislation not allowing homosexuals to openly serve all better? :laugh I DIDN'T say Obama was responsible for anything, I was saying that YOU incorrectly said he was responsible for something. He wasn't responsible for the SCOTUS ruling, it was private citizens who brought the case before the court, not the federal government. He agreed with the Court, but it doesn't make him responsible for the ruling. As for homosexuals openly serving, that wasn't a legislative issue, it was a policy issue. There was no legislation that was repealed, there was a reversal of the Clinton policy of "Don't ask. don't tell". You should know that since in order to repeal legislation there has to be congressional passage which would be blocked by those "evil" Republicans.
oh come now,, don't be shy 'This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. ' its IMPLIED that OBama has direct effect on 'dividing' everyone and he had to sign legislation for repealing DADT point still being,, if one is going to place OBAMA politics in their accusations about divisiveness,,,, they are implying that OBAMA has responsibility,,,,,, so if they are challenged regarding that opinion,, they should put up or shut up,,,lol divisiveness, and the LGBT issues being the topic here,,, whoever holds the power , holds the power,, and if one claims it is the courts who hold the power,, it is the courts who had the power over the increase and decrease of 'divisiveness' I get it, you LOVE Obama. The difference between you and I, is I don't love any politician. It's what allows me to separate opinion from fact and from being a zealot attempting to defend someone with erroneous statements. It's why I don't make things up to support ANY politician and conversely I don't make things up to criticize any politician. You are CORRECT he repealed DADT....but you originally said Obama was responsible for the "repeal of legislation not allowing homosexuals to openly serve".....which is INCORRECT. Once again, it WASN'T repealed through the legislative process, it was a policy change because....are you ready????..... DADT was a POLICY, not a LAW. Hmmm. I think we need just one more quote of a quote of a quote of a........ |
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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. umm, Obama 'politics' is responsible for reversing the division by lifting bans on gay and transgender and passing equal marriage laws Obama isn't responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....same sex marriage was made legal in all 50 states through litigation in courts. By the appeal process it reached the SCOTUS and the Court held in a 5–4 decision that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples by both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States. It was a Supreme Court ruling, not a law, that made same sex marriage legal. well, if one can claim he is responsible for division with nothing to back up the claim I just provide the counterargument with examples cant claim its courts reversing decisions but not courts making them either courts were responsible for the division, and now the unifying,, or they weren't So your thinking is if someone says something that is OPINION based that you think is wrong it makes sense for you to counter it with something that is DEFINETLY wrong? Got it.
lol no,if someone posts an opinion without anything to back it up that I feel is 'wrong' when I counter with what I feel is 'right', I attempt to back it up with Reason and evidence of why I feel that way my thinking is opinions backed by some substance and proof, are stronger than those that are just opinion You said Obama politics was responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....there is NO SUCH LAW.....there is NO SUBSTANCE or PROOF in making a blatantly FALSE statement. Keep spinning.....I know it makes you feel good.
nah, it just tickles me sometimes reading the pedantic comebacks of those really believing their own nonsense I used a phrase that you used, ,just as loosely 'Obama politics' is responsible , as you put it, for the reversal of legislation not recognizing same sex marriage and the repeal of legislation not allowing homosexuals to openly serve all better? :laugh I DIDN'T say Obama was responsible for anything, I was saying that YOU incorrectly said he was responsible for something. He wasn't responsible for the SCOTUS ruling, it was private citizens who brought the case before the court, not the federal government. He agreed with the Court, but it doesn't make him responsible for the ruling. As for homosexuals openly serving, that wasn't a legislative issue, it was a policy issue. There was no legislation that was repealed, there was a reversal of the Clinton policy of "Don't ask. don't tell". You should know that since in order to repeal legislation there has to be congressional passage which would be blocked by those "evil" Republicans.
oh come now,, don't be shy 'This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. ' its IMPLIED that OBama has direct effect on 'dividing' everyone and he had to sign legislation for repealing DADT point still being,, if one is going to place OBAMA politics in their accusations about divisiveness,,,, they are implying that OBAMA has responsibility,,,,,, so if they are challenged regarding that opinion,, they should put up or shut up,,,lol divisiveness, and the LGBT issues being the topic here,,, whoever holds the power , holds the power,, and if one claims it is the courts who hold the power,, it is the courts who had the power over the increase and decrease of 'divisiveness' I get it, you LOVE Obama. The difference between you and I, is I don't love any politician. It's what allows me to separate opinion from fact and from being a zealot attempting to defend someone with erroneous statements. It's why I don't make things up to support ANY politician and conversely I don't make things up to criticize any politician. You are CORRECT he repealed DADT....but you originally said Obama was responsible for the "repeal of legislation not allowing homosexuals to openly serve".....which is INCORRECT. Once again, it WASN'T repealed through the legislative process, it was a policy change because....are you ready????..... DADT was a POLICY, not a LAW. wonderfully pedantically correct,,,,policy, v law,, does nothing to refute the point that 'Obama politics' ( which should include positive and negative things happening under his leadership and not just what you don't agree with) has overseen an era of great reversal of division systemically, which is really the main effect policy and law have,,where the lgbt community is oncerned |
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"wonderfully pedantically correct,,,,policy, v law,, does nothing to refute the point that 'Obama politics' ( which should include positive and negative things happening under his leadership and not just what you don't agree with)
has overseen an era of great reversal of division systemically, which is really the main effect policy and law have,,where the lgbt community is oncerned" I didn't REFUTE the effects of Obama's politics. I refuted the method which YOU INCORRECTLY stated change was made in the legalization of same-sex marriage and the change in the DADT policy. I didn't make any comments on your OPINIONS....the only comments I made were on what you represented as FACT. Is pedantic your word of the week?
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"wonderfully pedantically correct,,,,policy, v law,, does nothing to refute the point that 'Obama politics' ( which should include positive and negative things happening under his leadership and not just what you don't agree with) has overseen an era of great reversal of division systemically, which is really the main effect policy and law have,,where the lgbt community is oncerned" I didn't REFUTE the effects of Obama's politics. I refuted the method which YOU INCORRECTLY stated change was made in the legalization of same-sex marriage and the change in the DADT policy. I didn't make any comments on your OPINIONS....the only comments I made were on what you represented as FACT. Is pedantic your word of the week?
you are right on the issue of policy vs legislation I am right to refute the nonsense that 'Obama politics' holds responsibility over 'divisiveness' |
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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. umm, Obama 'politics' is responsible for reversing the division by lifting bans on gay and transgender and passing equal marriage laws Obama isn't responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....same sex marriage was made legal in all 50 states through litigation in courts. By the appeal process it reached the SCOTUS and the Court held in a 5–4 decision that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples by both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States. It was a Supreme Court ruling, not a law, that made same sex marriage legal. well, if one can claim he is responsible for division with nothing to back up the claim I just provide the counterargument with examples cant claim its courts reversing decisions but not courts making them either courts were responsible for the division, and now the unifying,, or they weren't So your thinking is if someone says something that is OPINION based that you think is wrong it makes sense for you to counter it with something that is DEFINETLY wrong? Got it.
lol no,if someone posts an opinion without anything to back it up that I feel is 'wrong' when I counter with what I feel is 'right', I attempt to back it up with Reason and evidence of why I feel that way my thinking is opinions backed by some substance and proof, are stronger than those that are just opinion You said Obama politics was responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....there is NO SUCH LAW.....there is NO SUBSTANCE or PROOF in making a blatantly FALSE statement. Keep spinning.....I know it makes you feel good.
nah, it just tickles me sometimes reading the pedantic comebacks of those really believing their own nonsense I used a phrase that you used, ,just as loosely 'Obama politics' is responsible , as you put it, for the reversal of legislation not recognizing same sex marriage and the repeal of legislation not allowing homosexuals to openly serve all better? :laugh I DIDN'T say Obama was responsible for anything, I was saying that YOU incorrectly said he was responsible for something. He wasn't responsible for the SCOTUS ruling, it was private citizens who brought the case before the court, not the federal government. He agreed with the Court, but it doesn't make him responsible for the ruling. As for homosexuals openly serving, that wasn't a legislative issue, it was a policy issue. There was no legislation that was repealed, there was a reversal of the Clinton policy of "Don't ask. don't tell". You should know that since in order to repeal legislation there has to be congressional passage which would be blocked by those "evil" Republicans.
oh come now,, don't be shy 'This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. ' its IMPLIED that OBama has direct effect on 'dividing' everyone and he had to sign legislation for repealing DADT point still being,, if one is going to place OBAMA politics in their accusations about divisiveness,,,, they are implying that OBAMA has responsibility,,,,,, so if they are challenged regarding that opinion,, they should put up or shut up,,,lol divisiveness, and the LGBT issues being the topic here,,, whoever holds the power , holds the power,, and if one claims it is the courts who hold the power,, it is the courts who had the power over the increase and decrease of 'divisiveness' I agree with you on this issue. Obama did finally come out, years later then he should and reversed DADT and came out in support of Gay Marriage when he wasn't for it in the past. We was lobbied hard. I am glad he had the courage to pass a policy that would piss a lot of people off, I mean he does that on a regular basis but this is the first positive one. |
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The only thing is, if a gay, lesbian or Transgender troop gets captured as a POW in the Middle East they are automatically dead and by brutal and barbaric means! The need to understand that going in. Those people, not just the terrorists but Muslims in general hate LGBT people and want them dead.
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My rant of the day, and I guarantee all of my Republican friends are going to blow me up for this. We need to get over this gay and transgender in the military issue and issue in general. If they want to serve and can pass all of the training required, why shouldn't they be able to serve? In Israel, the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet have accepted gay, lesbian and transgender for years and they are regarded as one of the most bad a$$ militaries and special operators in the world. We as a party need to get past this social issue. Most gay and lesbian Americans are conservative but vote Democrat because of how the Republican Party treats them. Does it really affect your life so much if you see two men together or two women together? If it does then your the one with issues. If two people want to be happy together then so be it. Be happy for them, life's to short to be negative. Don't give me the bible excuse, because if that is really the case they will be supposedly be going to hell not you, so get over it. I end this with part of a famous document written on July 4th 1776. Maybe you have heard of it? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence as written by Thomas Jefferson. My problem with your "rant" is there should be no "qualifiers" at all. This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. Why should a gay or transgender even "notify" the military of what sexual preference they are unless to receive "special treatment" which divides everyone even more. All men and woman should be able to serve regardless of any "preferences" as long as they can pass the requirements. umm, Obama 'politics' is responsible for reversing the division by lifting bans on gay and transgender and passing equal marriage laws Obama isn't responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....same sex marriage was made legal in all 50 states through litigation in courts. By the appeal process it reached the SCOTUS and the Court held in a 5–4 decision that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples by both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States. It was a Supreme Court ruling, not a law, that made same sex marriage legal. well, if one can claim he is responsible for division with nothing to back up the claim I just provide the counterargument with examples cant claim its courts reversing decisions but not courts making them either courts were responsible for the division, and now the unifying,, or they weren't So your thinking is if someone says something that is OPINION based that you think is wrong it makes sense for you to counter it with something that is DEFINETLY wrong? Got it.
lol no,if someone posts an opinion without anything to back it up that I feel is 'wrong' when I counter with what I feel is 'right', I attempt to back it up with Reason and evidence of why I feel that way my thinking is opinions backed by some substance and proof, are stronger than those that are just opinion You said Obama politics was responsible for "passing equal marriage laws"....there is NO SUCH LAW.....there is NO SUBSTANCE or PROOF in making a blatantly FALSE statement. Keep spinning.....I know it makes you feel good.
nah, it just tickles me sometimes reading the pedantic comebacks of those really believing their own nonsense I used a phrase that you used, ,just as loosely 'Obama politics' is responsible , as you put it, for the reversal of legislation not recognizing same sex marriage and the repeal of legislation not allowing homosexuals to openly serve all better? :laugh I DIDN'T say Obama was responsible for anything, I was saying that YOU incorrectly said he was responsible for something. He wasn't responsible for the SCOTUS ruling, it was private citizens who brought the case before the court, not the federal government. He agreed with the Court, but it doesn't make him responsible for the ruling. As for homosexuals openly serving, that wasn't a legislative issue, it was a policy issue. There was no legislation that was repealed, there was a reversal of the Clinton policy of "Don't ask. don't tell". You should know that since in order to repeal legislation there has to be congressional passage which would be blocked by those "evil" Republicans.
oh come now,, don't be shy 'This is the whole Obama "Identity politics" of dividing everyone into groups like white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight and on and on to create more division and such create more political power/unrest. I think our country is more divided now then anytime in modern history. ' its IMPLIED that OBama has direct effect on 'dividing' everyone and he had to sign legislation for repealing DADT point still being,, if one is going to place OBAMA politics in their accusations about divisiveness,,,, they are implying that OBAMA has responsibility,,,,,, so if they are challenged regarding that opinion,, they should put up or shut up,,,lol divisiveness, and the LGBT issues being the topic here,,, whoever holds the power , holds the power,, and if one claims it is the courts who hold the power,, it is the courts who had the power over the increase and decrease of 'divisiveness' Obama is one of the most divisive Presidents we have ever had. |
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