I am Christian if you will, but don't follow, obey, or entirely believe in any of the denominations and what they teach/preach. So figured I'd ask a question that mainly puts me apart from the different beliefs.

Who is our God. Not who is God, but who is specifically our God?

I personally believe Jesus too be God almighty. Jesus never refers to us specifically as brother's too him, yet he proclaims to "God". But he himself claims too be God as I believe and know from reading NT too the OT. Jesus Christ is the one whom created us, molded us, and made everything in existence from Heaven to Earth to below Earth. Specifically referring to Genesis 2 and multiple accounts of his spoken remarks in the NT of creating different person(s). Just curious what every one else thinks as it's normally said Jesus being the son of God.

But from what I know or have read Jesus doesn't ever refer too his God/father as ours, yet proclaims too be our God, our creator, ect. Just curious what you all think on this and hopefully bring up a good discussion with verses too back one's thoughts/beliefs. God bless you, us all :D

What about the the first commandment? Deuteronomy 5:6

I am the LORD your God
who brought you out of the land of Egypt,
out of the house of bondage.
You shall have no other gods before Me.

Dear CowboyGH, I love your posts. You have so much to give. God bless you!

Be Careful... You seem to be entering into the realm of the Cults and their weird belief systems. Once you say that you "don't follow, obey or entirely believe in any of the denominations and what they teach/preach" - I immediately look for "strange doctrines" or "unprofitable questions" which are outside the purview of Biblical Christianity which lead gullible Christians astray and away from the Faith.



There really shouldn't be any question as to the Godhead. Neither should there be any question as to our Salvation that it is all by Faith in the finished work of Jesus at the Cross. These 2 Doctrines are Basic and Fundamental. The "Cults" like to tamper with these very important Doctrines, but we must never compromise the Deity of Christ - nor God's Salvation Plan for mankind - that it is all by Jesus - and all we are required to do is to "Believe."

John 1:1-14
1 John 5:7
John 20: 30-31




John 20:17

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Sorry for my laziness. It's late by the time I got back too the computer. But I'm going too go out on a lim and say this "these three are one" is used in the same context/meaning of when Jesus referred too him and his father being "one" in the following verse.

John 10:30

30 I and my Father are one.


And the word(s) tranlated too this are referring to wills, desires, ententions, ect. Not specifically it's literal meaning eg., physical aspects. So if I'm wrong, please don't express such and show/display such meanings/purposes. I'll do the same for the referred verses if nececassary.

Your "john 20:17" mention of a verse boils down too the following verse I do believe.

Galatians 3:26

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.


I couldn't find the exact verse tonight as again it's late and not an excuse lol but I'm tired. And couldn't find the exact verse I'm looking for. But we are "children" of God through Jesus Christ. "Us" one's that are not isrealites are "abopted" by God. If needed tomorrow after you respond too this thread or maybe prior if I find it, a verse that say specifically what I'm saying about us being adopted by God regardless of being Jew or not. Because Heaven is first given too the Jew(s). We are the "outsiders" being adopted by God.

This is a beautiful verse. It's a deminstation of Jesus's action(s)/work(s) before he was known as "Jesus". Displaying that he is the one who he claims too be. The one that created us, as he specifically says. Show's exactly why some OT verses say either
"God" or "Lord God".

The reference is of course from a "story" in the OT. Yet here Jesus from the NT is claiming he was the one whom did it. It's because it was Jesus Christ himself "LORD God".

There truly is none, just discussion here my friend. Salvation is only found through Jesus Christ. You say "Faith in the finished work of Jesus at the Cross". What exactly did Jesus "finish"? He finished the old covenant, the last and remaining prophecy of the old covenant. And as he has told us, these laws remain true until all is fullfilled. Thus further showing the finish of the old covenant/testament. Jesus Christ is God of Gods, Lord of Lords. It will be written on his crown if I'm not mistaken on exactly what rev says bout it lol. God bless you my friend.

This verse as follows -

John 20:17

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


Is true because of -
Philippians 2:7

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men


He wasn't on Earth too be "worshipped". He was here too fulfill the final prophecies of the OT/old covenant and give us the new signed in his blood.

Deuteronomy 10:17

17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward

Through the other/rest of the verse(s) he refers too "his" father as just that, "his" father. Same with "his" God. He doesn't refer to us as brothers/sisters on an eternal level. He was "humiliating" himself and speaking too us on our level, trying to make a personal relationship. Not a above all and nothing else matter level, but yet an understanding "equal" level at this form of communication.

Not a problem. Just remember. Verse 7 is dealing with the RECORD. What is the RECORD? The answer is in verse 11 and then expounded upon in verses 12-21. When misguided Christians, like Pentecostals or Assemblies of God Believers who say that a Christian "can lose their Salvation", I always point them to the RECORD in 1 John 5:11. For if they don't believe the RECORD, they obviously don't understand their own Salvation and they could be destined for an Eternity in Hell.

The Final Authority for the Christian is the Bible. Unfortunately, there are many "false" prophets and teachers who are splitting Hell WIDE OPEN with Doctrines of Demons like the Prosperity Gospel or the Judas Gospel. These "false" prophets usually are on Television asking for money in the form of "sowing seeds." I think you may have seen them on TV. These are wicked people, making merchandise of the people of God. (2 Peter 2:1-3)

Your statement that our Lord Jesus referred to God as "our" God is in John 20:17. I thought you were looking for a reference to that effect.

17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and YOUR Father; and to my God, and YOUR God."

The intent of my meaning I think you got, but I don't think Jesus "finished the old covenant", my friend. He "replaced" it and became the mediator of a BETTER Covenant with BETTER Promises. (Hebrews 8:6) Oh. The Old was Perfect and Righteous and Good in EVERY WAY. But we could not keep it. Only our Lord Jesus could and only through our Lord Jesus could we. Praise the Lord! God Bless you, to my friend!

We are God's Children. God's Family. In SO MANY places in Scripture Jesus calls us these names.

We are Children of God - Joint Heirs with Christ. (Romans 8:16-17) We are His Brethren. I'm His Brother, Sister (John 20:17, Matthew 12:48-50 and other places) We are His Bride - the Lamb's Wife - the New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:9-11)

The verse I was looking for in reference too the one I couldn't think of was -

Ephesians 1:5

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will



This is true because of Jesus saying the following -


John 10:30

30 I and my Father are one.

They are one "God", one "authority" over us. They don't bicker, argue, and fight with one another. They have the same wills, desires, and wishes for us. That is indeed what the origin words of this John verse is in reference too.

Matthew 5:17-20

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


Then this is later confirmed when -


John 19:30

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.