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its a choice... Is it? Most ppl work because they need money, not because they like their work so much. They need to work 8 hrs or more to make ends meet. Doesn't sound like a choice to me ... Hi Crystal. Hope all is goin well for you.   Hiya Kathy! I'm okay :) Still on the mend from putting my back out in Feb, but getting there :) |
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Goddam fast food workers only work 5-6 hrs a shift now as it is....and they STILL cant get my order right  A lot of the times I've gone to a fast food place there are more employees talking than working. They might be at their place of employment for 5-6 hrs but I doubt many, if any, of them actually work that many hours. If they made $15/hour for the time they actually work it would probably be a pay cut!!! If they'd actually get $15/hour instead of maybe $2-$4 and hopefully a tip ... they might in actual fact work AND get your order right! 
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From the article referred to in the first post:
To cope with the significant cut in working hours, Feldt says staff are asked to stay off social media and other distractions while at work and meetings are kept to a minimum. In other words, a 6-hour work day is to benefit white-collar workers and anyone who work for a salary. People who get paid by the hour aren't the ones wanting a 6-hour work day. |
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If they'd actually get $15/hour instead of You dont know our fast food workers evidently. And its more like $8/hr but what does wage have to do with how someone does their job? You either do it right or quit. maybe $2-$4 and hopefully a tip ... they might in actual fact work AND get your order right! And even someone that MIGHT be making $4/hr knows what "no pickles" means, or should...it aint rocket science. As far as numbers of hours worked and fitness, before retiring, I worked 24/hr shifts on my main job and 12/hr shifts on my secondary job..around 280 hrs a month....and I was damned fit. There might be a handful of jobs where 6 hr shifts might work, but not many......especially not many small business jobs...or fireman, or first responders, or law eforcement, or teachers, or production jobs, or damn near anything else other than a self employment type situation where the owner is the only employee and is happy making as little as possible. Here, it would be a way for politicians to blow people..."Vote for me and Ill get you a 30/hr work week and a buncha other free $hit, and we'll all prosper, yay!" |
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Goddam fast food workers only work 5-6 hrs a shift now as it is....and they STILL cant get my order right A lot of the times I've gone to a fast food place there are more employees talking than working. They might be at their place of employment for 5-6 hrs but I doubt many, if any, of them actually work that many hours. If they made $15/hour for the time they actually work it would probably be a pay cut!!! If they'd actually get $15/hour instead of maybe $2-$4 and hopefully a tip ... they might in actual fact work AND get your order right! $2-4/ hour????? Are you stuck in the late 60's early seventies???? LOL Maybe if a few got fired for not their jobs which includes getting the orders right the people left would start do their jobs correctly. |
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Oh joy,now they have to cram the Work of an 8 Hours into Six! Yes, but Euros don't have to work that long. They don't have much to do. Besides USA is very large, and some of these countries are smaller than many of our states. I personally have worked 12 hrs a day. Nothing unhappy about it. We just have more to do than you. More land to cover. |
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its a choice... Is it? Most ppl work because they need money, not because they like their work so much. They need to work 8 hrs or more to make ends meet. Doesn't sound like a choice to me ... It's a choice for me and to some people, working more hours at times to have more money. Some people sometimes don't feel they are working that long because they love what they do also. |
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Oh joy,now they have to cram the Work of an 8 Hours into Six! Nope, they're not. It's just that people are far more productive when they're feeling fit and happy than when they've been worn down by hours and hours of work. THey waste less time on meetings (if you cut the BS chitchat from meetings, you can reduce length of meeting by 80% -that's my guestimate based on my experience). Some organisations hire extra staff btw. Guess you haven't read the article? People also tend to remain healthier, less sick leave, burnout and less medical cost, so all in all it's profitable. This one company said profit went up by 25%! I totally agree with! Maybe we wont have such high divorce rates and dysfuncrional family structures since the avg American spends a min of 10hrs a day behind a desk! |
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The problem with free market capitalism is that it has nothing at all to do with the best interests of the society which adopts it.
* it DOESN'T make sure that all needed services and products are available. * it DOESN'T result in wages sufficient for all or even most people to live above poverty. * it DOESN'T lead to the highest quality products and services. * it DOESN'T result in a safe or clean living or working environment for the society. * it DOESN'T make sure that all real costs of production are paid by those who derive profit from the product or service. * it DOESN'T balance resource usage in order to preserve future sustenance. * it DOESN'T prevent or even address abuses of people or of customers. That's why capitalism only comes close to working positively for a society, when there is carefully designed and thorough and optimum regulation of every aspect of it. |
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The problem with free market capitalism is that it has nothing at all to do with the best interests of the society which adopts it. * it DOESN'T make sure that all needed services and products are available. * it DOESN'T result in wages sufficient for all or even most people to live above poverty. * it DOESN'T lead to the highest quality products and services. * it DOESN'T result in a safe or clean living or working environment for the society. * it DOESN'T make sure that all real costs of production are paid by those who derive profit from the product or service. * it DOESN'T balance resource usage in order to preserve future sustenance. * it DOESN'T prevent or even address abuses of people or of customers. That's why capitalism only comes close to working positively for a society, when there is carefully designed and thorough and optimum regulation of every aspect of it. You might want to read up on it some more! What you describe is anything but a Free Market or even approaching Capitalism! You are describing the Mess we have today! Keynesian much? |
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Read on FB that Switzerland is going to implement a basic income for everyone to end poverty.
If that is true, changes are a coming! I know there were experiments with basic income, and the outcome was very positive. I can't wait! |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Sun 04/10/16 07:58 AM
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Read on FB that Switzerland is going to implement a basic income for everyone to end poverty. If that is true, changes are a coming! I know there were experiments with basic income, and the outcome was very positive. I can't wait! If it is ,it is far far away! Better show me those Poor People and the Experiments! FB-Posts Facts don't make! well,if you like it,might as well tell the Initiators how to pay for it,because the poor Bleeders don't seem to know!
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Edited by
IgorFrankensteen
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Sun 04/10/16 07:59 AM
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The problem with free market capitalism is that it has nothing at all to do with the best interests of the society which adopts it. * it DOESN'T make sure that all needed services and products are available. * it DOESN'T result in wages sufficient for all or even most people to live above poverty. * it DOESN'T lead to the highest quality products and services. * it DOESN'T result in a safe or clean living or working environment for the society. * it DOESN'T make sure that all real costs of production are paid by those who derive profit from the product or service. * it DOESN'T balance resource usage in order to preserve future sustenance. * it DOESN'T prevent or even address abuses of people or of customers. That's why capitalism only comes close to working positively for a society, when there is carefully designed and thorough and optimum regulation of every aspect of it. You might want to read up on it some more! What you describe is anything but a Free Market or even approaching Capitalism! You are describing the Mess we have today! Keynesian much? I've read up on it plenty, and I think you don't understand what I'm talking about. However, the main thing which I think we CAN agree on, is that there's never been a SINGLE version of what "captialism" means, in detail. What I'm talking about, is based on the history of human behavior, and on the most common meaning that most modern people apply to the concept of "free market." Most people these days, mean ZERO REGULATION. What most of those same people completely overlook, is that ZERO REGULATION means a lot more than they realize. It means that they depend on "marketplace punishment" of bad business, for one thing. The idea of that is, that if you bring a shoddy product to market, two things will happen as a natural result: buyers will stop buying it, and a competitor will come to market with a better product, and either force you to improve, or drive you out of business. That works GREAT, in a local commune. But as soon as you get beyond a small town with no access to external resources, a scalawag producer can come by, sell horrible muck to a lot of people, then move on like a plague of locusts, and carry off the local folks' funds. The reason why we HAVE things like safety regulations and health regulations, is specifically because the "free market" concept has repeatedly and horribly failed, over and over again, to address such concerns, because things like making sure your workforce survives and prospers, is NOT linked directly and positively to profits. It's why we have problems here, where wages offered are insufficient to provide workers with a viable living. What the ideal Free Market system would do, is force wages to rise according to the cost of living, because employers would have to offer more to get anyone to work for them. "Free market capitalism" counts on equal power between customers, workers, and owners. That can't exist in real life, unless the market is limited to the same locality where everyone involved lives. So. You are probably thinking of something OTHER than a "free market" when you talk about it. Most people are, without realizing it. |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Sun 04/10/16 08:05 AM
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The problem with free market capitalism is that it has nothing at all to do with the best interests of the society which adopts it. * it DOESN'T make sure that all needed services and products are available. * it DOESN'T result in wages sufficient for all or even most people to live above poverty. * it DOESN'T lead to the highest quality products and services. * it DOESN'T result in a safe or clean living or working environment for the society. * it DOESN'T make sure that all real costs of production are paid by those who derive profit from the product or service. * it DOESN'T balance resource usage in order to preserve future sustenance. * it DOESN'T prevent or even address abuses of people or of customers. That's why capitalism only comes close to working positively for a society, when there is carefully designed and thorough and optimum regulation of every aspect of it. You might want to read up on it some more! What you describe is anything but a Free Market or even approaching Capitalism! You are describing the Mess we have today! Keynesian much? I've read up on it plenty, and I think you don't understand what I'm talking about. However, the main thing which I think we CAN agree on, is that there's never been a SINGLE version of what "captialism" means, in detail. What I'm talking about, is based on the history of human behavior, and on the most common meaning that most modern people apply to the concept of "free market." Most people these days, mean ZERO REGULATION. What most of those same people completely overlook, is that ZERO REGULATION means a lot more than they realize. It means that they depend on "marketplace punishment" of bad business, for one thing. The idea of that is, that if you bring a shoddy product to market, two things will happen as a natural result: buyers will stop buying it, and a competitor will come to market with a better product, and either force you to improve, or drive you out of business. That works GREAT, in a local commune. But as soon as you get beyond a small town with no access to external resources, a scalawag producer can come by, sell horrible muck to a lot of people, then move on like a plague of locusts, and carry off the local folks' funds. The reason why we HAVE things like safety regulations and health regulations, is specifically because the "free market" concept has repeatedly and horribly failed, over and over again, to address such concerns, because things like making sure your workforce survives and prospers, is NOT linked directly and positively to profits. It's why we have problems here, where wages offered are insufficient to provide workers with a viable living. What the ideal Free Market system would do, is force wages to rise according to the cost of living, because employers would have to offer more to get anyone to work for them. "Free market capitalism" counts on equal power between customers, workers, and owners. That can't exist in real life, unless the market is limited to the same locality where everyone involved lives. So. You are probably thinking of something OTHER than a "free market" when you talk about it. Most people are, without realizing it. Then look at Venezuela,the former USSR and Eastern Block and see the damage your Plan-Wirtschaft has caused! Just look at your own Country and it's ever increasing Regulations! You are proposing Statism,not Freedom!   Voting for Bernie I suppose? |
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It's more an income denominator than time . People want to earn higher pay that's why they work long hours. So the answer is simple . Increase pay and people will work less hours.
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