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Topic: Hidden Origins: how mankind was created
Joe's photo
Wed 04/06/16 06:04 PM
Does anyone or is anyone interested in knowing about an alternative theory based on facts regarding the creation of human kind?

sybariticguy's photo
Wed 04/06/16 06:46 PM
as I understand there are no known facts as religious beliefs are based on faith which is not empirically verifiable..

mightymoe's photo
Wed 04/06/16 06:53 PM

as I understand there are no known facts as religious beliefs are based on faith which is not empirically verifiable..


not everything has a religious origin...

there are plenty of facts about human origin that has nothing to do with religion...

Nelio1's photo
Thu 04/07/16 12:21 AM
The theory of evolution is my opinion is just totally bullocks. The fact that human dna most closely resembles that of a chimpanzee does not mean we're related. If we were related to apes and evolved from them, why then have we evolved but not them?

The question should be asked. Who created the earth and everything on it. Who knew the exact measurements like the distance from the sun, rotational speed of earth and moon, not to mention gravity, to ensure that humans could exist only here on earth without any aid. Whoever it was, I give a resounding... WOW. It most certainly ain't no human.

More to the point, what literature do we have available regarding the creation? The first few chapters of the bible explains it. I am not aware of any other writing that claims the same.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 04/07/16 12:35 AM

The theory of evolution is my opinion is just totally bullocks. The fact that human dna most closely resembles that of a chimpanzee does not mean we're related. If we were related to apes and evolved from them, why then have we evolved but not them?

The question should be asked. Who created the earth and everything on it. Who knew the exact measurements like the distance from the sun, rotational speed of earth and moon, not to mention gravity, to ensure that humans could exist only here on earth without any aid. Whoever it was, I give a resounding... WOW. It most certainly ain't no human.

More to the point, what literature do we have available regarding the creation? The first few chapters of the bible explains it. I am not aware of any other writing that claims the same.

you might want to read the relevant places in the Evolutionary Theory again!
You are dead-wrong!
It's actually that both Species share identical DNA,Chimps up to way over 90%!
You couldn't be more wrong!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

And those are the Facts,regardless of what might have eventually kicked of this Universe!

mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/07/16 10:34 AM

The theory of evolution is my opinion is just totally bullocks. The fact that human dna most closely resembles that of a chimpanzee does not mean we're related. If we were related to apes and evolved from them, why then have we evolved but not them?

The question should be asked. Who created the earth and everything on it. Who knew the exact measurements like the distance from the sun, rotational speed of earth and moon, not to mention gravity, to ensure that humans could exist only here on earth without any aid. Whoever it was, I give a resounding... WOW. It most certainly ain't no human.

More to the point, what literature do we have available regarding the creation? The first few chapters of the bible explains it. I am not aware of any other writing that claims the same.


this is what happens when people just read a bible instead of science books...

there is not one species on this planet that doesn't need the aid of another species, including humans...

Dodo_David's photo
Sun 04/10/16 01:21 AM


The theory of evolution is my opinion is just totally bullocks. The fact that human dna most closely resembles that of a chimpanzee does not mean we're related. If we were related to apes and evolved from them, why then have we evolved but not them?

The question should be asked. Who created the earth and everything on it. Who knew the exact measurements like the distance from the sun, rotational speed of earth and moon, not to mention gravity, to ensure that humans could exist only here on earth without any aid. Whoever it was, I give a resounding... WOW. It most certainly ain't no human.

More to the point, what literature do we have available regarding the creation? The first few chapters of the bible explains it. I am not aware of any other writing that claims the same.

you might want to read the relevant places in the Evolutionary Theory again!
You are dead-wrong!
It's actually that both Species share identical DNA,Chimps up to way over 90%!
You couldn't be more wrong!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

And those are the Facts,regardless of what might have eventually kicked of this Universe!


Such is true. Modern evolution theory doesn't say that Humans evolved from apes.

Also, it is a violation of the rules of science to require a scientific theory to pass a religious litmus test.

By the way, ancient Mesopotamia (where the ancient Hebrews originated) had several creation stories that predate the book of Genesis. Click here to read about them.

JaiGi's photo
Sun 04/10/16 08:15 PM



Such is true. Modern evolution theory doesn't say that Humans evolved from apes.

Also, it is a violation of the rules of science to require a scientific theory to pass a religious litmus test.

By the way, ancient Mesopotamia (where the ancient Hebrews originated) had several creation stories that predate the book of Genesis. Click here to read about them.


This is new: 'modern Evolution does not say we humans & apes have a common ancestor?'

the 10% in DNA difference occurred when the monkey lost it's tail to become man. The DNA diff was required to pump up the neurons from the tail to the head. That's the reason:
1. our cortex looks like sections of tails squeezed together
2. women jiggle so we can watch for their abstract tail and the reason this question keeps coming up

mightymoe's photo
Wed 04/13/16 10:28 AM
A virus-fighting protein in humans and other primates triggers an explosion in genetic mutations that may have sped up the evolution of our species, according to a new study.

"In some sense, this is scary," says Kelley Harris, a geneticist at Stanford University in Palo Alto, California, who was not involved with the work. Random mutations are often harmful. But there could be a silver lining: These changes also "provide raw material for evolution to happen" and that may enable individuals besieged by viruses to come up with better antiviral defenses, she says. "The paper doesn't prove that it's beneficial for humans to mutate their own DNA when they are infected by viruses, but it's an interesting possibility."

Since the beginning of time, viruses have been inserting their genetic material into the genomes of their hosts, tricking the cell's machinery into making more virus. Today, our genomes are riddled with these interlopers, called retroviruses and transposable elements, but many now just sit there, unable to generate additional copies of themselves. That's because our bodies have a group of proteins that have mutated this DNA. These so-called APOBEC proteins seek out certain combinations of the letters that make up DNA (called bases), and, in DNA of viral origin, chemically convert the base cytosine into the base uracil—a change in the genetic alphabet from C to U that can disrupt a gene.

In 2012, researchers discovered that certain APOBEC proteins do the same in some cancer cells. "You can see they are very active and affect the DNA in the tumor tremendously, causing lots of mutations that may further the cells' uncontrolled growth, says Alon Keinan, a computational biologist at Cornell University. Because those cancer cells are part of the lungs, kidney, liver, or other organs, the mutations only affect those tissues. But if an APOBEC protein was active in germline cells—those destined to become eggs and sperm—then these mutations could possibly affect future generations, and ultimately alter the course of evolution.

To see whether this has been the case with one APOBEC protein, APOBEC3G, Erez Levanon, a computational biologist at Bar-Ilan University in Ramat Gan, Israel, contacted Keinan, whose team specializes in comparing genomes to discern patterns of evolution. The group matched the genomes of a modern human, a Denisovan, a Neandertal, and a chimp up against genomes of a mouse, a rhesus macaque, and an orangutan to look for places in the human and chimp genomes with an unusual concentration of changes from a cytosine to another base. They focused only on changes along stretches of DNA with the APOBEC3G protein's favorite sequence targets. For example, one such favorite is a series of three Cs in a row; the APOBEC3G protein frequently swaps out the third C for a different base.

All together, the researchers found about 37,000 mutations occurring in 10,000 clusters in the chimp and human genomes that they think were caused by these proteins,they report today in Genome Research. These mutations were Cs in the orangutan, macaque, and mouse, but a different base in each of the other four species. Many of the clusters were located in key places in the genome, such as regions important for regulating gene activity or protein-coding parts of genes. For example, more than 33% of the base changes they found in coding regions also alter its protein product. Many other changes likely happened in the germlines during the evolution of these species, detrimental ones likely disappeared, whereas those that provided some survival benefit persisted. "It shows that this primate-specific antiviral mechanism also led to the shaping of our and our relatives' genomes," Keinan says.

"It's surprising to see this impact on all these primate genomes," says Jeffrey Kidd, a geneticist at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, who was not involved with the work. "It makes us realize that nothing comes for free," and the trade-off of having a mechanism to thwart viral DNA is disruptions in our own DNA, he says. "It raises the question of how that balance is worked out."

There are related proteins that may likewise cause mutations; "this might just be the tip of the iceberg," Keinan says. He and his colleagues are now calculating what percentage of the genetic changes that made us human were caused by APOBEC proteins. Typically, a newborn is expected to have 70 new mutations in its genome, but just one of these proteins "can introduce potentially thousands [of them]" in close proximity and in one generation, Keinan says.

And that's a lot of new material for evolution to work on.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/04/virus-fighter-may-have-played-key-role-human-evolution

lu10nt's photo
Wed 04/13/16 11:04 AM
Edited by lu10nt on Wed 04/13/16 11:05 AM


The theory of evolution is my opinion is just totally bullocks. The fact that human dna most closely resembles that of a chimpanzee does not mean we're related. If we were related to apes and evolved from them, why then have we evolved but not them?

The question should be asked. Who created the earth and everything on it. Who knew the exact measurements like the distance from the sun, rotational speed of earth and moon, not to mention gravity, to ensure that humans could exist only here on earth without any aid. Whoever it was, I give a resounding... WOW. It most certainly ain't no human.

More to the point, what literature do we have available regarding the creation? The first few chapters of the bible explains it. I am not aware of any other writing that claims the same.

you might want to read the relevant places in the Evolutionary Theory again!
You are dead-wrong!
It's actually that both Species share identical DNA,Chimps up to way over 90%!
You couldn't be more wrong!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

And those are the Facts,regardless of what might have eventually kicked of this Universe!



My understanding is that we share 99.7% DNA but not sure where I sourced that info sadly and have been lazy in looking for it again.

I did not choose to believe in the Evolution Theory simply because I realised that Religion isn't all its cracked up to be but because I observed and learned that I realised how obvious it is. We all understand Lions in the Wild Hunting Prey. We all need food to survive, this is obvious. So with Eyes we can see our food, we can see our predators, we can see threats and opportunities.

Back peddle many millions/billions of years and animals on earth didn't have eyes because at the time there wasn't a need. At some point through the predator/prey cycle it became apparent that the senses of sight, smell, touch, hearing and taste became an increasing requirement to survive, I expect there are other senses that other species may have adapted that we have not.

So if your prey and keep getting killed by predators, to increase your chances of survival they evolved eyes but not instantly. At first eyes would only detect faint outlines and then gradually the eyes evolved to detect distance and colour. So now your a predator and you are dying out due to hunger because your prey can see you and escape you, they too evolve eyes to catch back up and prevent their species from dying out. At some point along this line during the Dinosaur age a meteor struck the earth and wiped out most of the vegetation on earth, this in turn dwindled the numbers of herbivores which in turn dwindled the numbers of carnivores and disease was strife also and not a great deal survived this calamity, however evolution carried on and progressed once again from what remained and eventually chimps evolved not directly into us but like the eyes they gradually evolved and became better. The two most important things in the universe to all people should be: The Human Race and The Planet Earth

37ko's photo
Wed 04/13/16 11:38 AM
I like zecharia stitchin's theory....we're the result of an extraterrestrial science experiment...its interesting...reading darwin is an insomnia cure for sure he was brilliant but sssoooooo boring imo...who knows the "truth"... there's plenty of mind bending info on the topic...more discoveries lead to more questions...one man's fairytale is another's evidence so on and so forth. all we know is we are here enjoy it while it lasts!

mightymoe's photo
Wed 04/13/16 02:58 PM

I like zecharia stitchin's theory....we're the result of an extraterrestrial science experiment...its interesting...reading darwin is an insomnia cure for sure he was brilliant but sssoooooo boring imo...who knows the "truth"... there's plenty of mind bending info on the topic...more discoveries lead to more questions...one man's fairytale is another's evidence so on and so forth. all we know is we are here enjoy it while it lasts!


anything is possible, i guess... and there some evidence to make a suggestion(i wouldn't call it a theory) that it could be that way... one of the leading points to this suggestion is that science says the universe is 14 billion years old, and the earth is only 4 and a half billion... so there is a very good chance that some life could have been around for billions of years before life even developed here on earth, so their knowledge would/could dwarf ours by comparison...

Robxbox73's photo
Wed 04/13/16 03:11 PM

I like zecharia stitchin's theory....we're the result of an extraterrestrial science experiment...its interesting...reading darwin is an insomnia cure for sure he was brilliant but sssoooooo boring imo...who knows the "truth"... there's plenty of mind bending info on the topic...more discoveries lead to more questions...one man's fairytale is another's evidence so on and so forth. all we know is we are here enjoy it while it lasts!


Yup this one is closest to the mark.

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 04/13/16 06:21 PM

I like zecharia stitchin's theory....we're the result of an extraterrestrial science experiment...


37ko, don't be blaming us extraterrestrials for you Humans. :angry:


Robxbox73's photo
Wed 04/13/16 06:25 PM


I like zecharia stitchin's theory....we're the result of an extraterrestrial science experiment...


37ko, don't be blaming us extraterrestrials for you Humans. :angry:
Lol OMG true that!


metalwing's photo
Wed 04/13/16 09:14 PM

Does anyone or is anyone interested in knowing about an alternative theory based on facts regarding the creation of human kind?


Still waiting ...

Frankk1950's photo
Wed 04/13/16 10:10 PM
Edited by Frankk1950 on Wed 04/13/16 10:19 PM


I like zecharia stitchin's theory....we're the result of an extraterrestrial science experiment...


An experiment that went horribly wrong,so we were dumped into outer space hopefully never to be seen again.

Robxbox73's photo
Sat 04/16/16 03:58 AM
Saint scammer

Nelio1's photo
Sun 04/17/16 06:22 AM
Well well, it would seem that I have some critics on my case trying to disprove my statement and using Evolution to do so.
Firstly I will try to stay within the framework of this thread as much as possible.

Let's start at the beginning... Saying that I am dead wrong.. I say, with all due respect, you are ill advised sir!
Stating that I just read the bible is not just an assumption but rather premature as you have absolutely no facts or proof at hand, do you?

Enough defending let's get to the facts.

Why was evolution brought up in this thread anyway? What is Evolution?
A "theory" that the differences between modern plants and animals are because of changes that happened by a natural process over a very long time.

Surely differences between organisms are of greater importance than the similarities, and evolution has no explanation for these if it is assumed that apes and humans had the same ancestor. How could these great gaps between kinds arise at all by any natural process?
The small differences between human and chimpanzee DNA obviously produce great differences in their respective anatomies, characteristics,
intelligence, etc. The superficial similarities between all apes and human beings are nothing compared to the differences in any practical
or observable sense.

Also, the most fundamental laws of nature prevent evolution from occuring. The law of increasing entropy, also known as the second
law of thermodynamics, stipulates that all systems in the real world tend to go "downhill", toward disorganization and decreased
complexity. This law of entropy is by any measure, one of the most universal and best proven laws of nature. It applies not only in
physical and chemical systems, but also in biological and geological systems, in fact, in all systems, without exception.

E. H. Lieb and Jakob Yngvason says in "A Fresh Look at Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics," Physics Today (vol. 53, April 2000), p. 32.
And I quote "No exception to the second law of thermodynamics has ever been found, not even a tiny one. Like conservation of energy
(the "first law"), the existence of a law so precise and so independent of details of models must have a logical foundation that is
independent of the fact that matter is composed of interacting particles.

Evolutionists may argue that evolution is a fact anyways, and that the conflict is resolved by noting that the earth is an "open system"
with the incoming energy from the sun able to sustain evolution throughout the geological ages in spite of the natural tendency
of all systems to deteriorate toward disorganization. It is true that local order can increase in an open system if certain
conditions are met, the fact is that evolution does not meet those conditions. Simply saying that the earth is open to the energy
from the sun says nothing about how that raw solar heat is converted into increased complexity in any system, open or closed.

It therefore may be barely conceivable that evolution could occur in open systems, in spite of the tendency of all systems to
disintegrate sooner or later. But no one yet has been able to show that it actually has the ability to overcome this universal tendency,
and that is the basic reason why there is still no bona fide proof of evolution, past or present.

And this is only for starters...
Enough said about Evolution.

One of the oldest known fossils of modern humans have been discovered in Herto, Ethiopia. An international team led by researchers from the University of California, Berkeley, found the skulls of two adults and a child dating from 160,000 years ago. Other findings date back as far as 200,000 years ago on the African continent.
How accurate are they?

Researchers and scientists acknowledge that Carbon C-14 dating is reasonably accurate and can easily prove age in "once living" fossils
up to 20,000 years but becoming more flawed or inaccurate the further down history they try to go. There are also radioactive environmental conditions that are "assumed" while taking the readings, also with the assumption that the fossils were not tampered with or touched by anyone prior to taking the readings. Continuing on this is for another thread.

So what other proof do we have of earliest humans of our kind and intellect?

Archaeology findings shed some light on this:

Ein-us-Sultan (near Jericho) is dated to around 8000 BC, and consisted of walls, a shrine, and a 23-foot tower with an internal staircase.
Mehrgarh (in Balochistan, Pakistan) existed from around 7000 BC.
Earliest evidence of farming between 7000-6000 BC
Cities (10,000-50,000 people) were built around 4000 BC
Earliest written language 3500 BC (Mesopotamia)

And now for the spanner in the works :)
Biblical chronology dates Adam back close to 6000 BC

Too many questions, too little facts, time will tell I guess.

Bottom Line...

Assuming there is a Creator God and he enabled us to prove beyond any doubt, by any means possible, that he is in fact present somewhere and he did in fact create the earth and everything in it and that he did in fact create Adam and we are descended from Adam. What then, becomes of faith?
We would not need faith if we could prove these burning questions!

Proving that God exists is easier than for evolution to prove that he does not exist.








Conrad_73's photo
Sun 04/17/16 08:05 AM


Does anyone or is anyone interested in knowing about an alternative theory based on facts regarding the creation of human kind?


Still waiting ...

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