it will have an effect that carries with you the rest of your life. u r so right. peace 2 u 2.

Yes I have to answer your question Duffy.

Three children, no income, but the meagre earnings I could scrape together doing night work, a bed ridden terribly ill husband, the youngest only a year or so old...

and how I will never know, but there I was pregnant.

I cried for that little person in my belly for months.

What kind of life would this little one have? WHat kind of life were the other little people that had chosen to come through me had?

My own personal beliefs could not harm this life within me, and all I could do was keep doing what I was doing...working and struggling to keep a family together, and hope for the best.

I still cannot judge another's decisions though.

Every circumstance is different.

What about women who are raped, and discover they are pregnant, and test positive through the rape to HIV?

What do they do?

If the parents don't want the child, it's not like they can't give the child to those who desperately want children but are not able to have any. They can give them the love, care, and nurturing that may not be able to be given them from their parents.

okay, okay, okay.

A very touching thing you shared. My situation not like yours. not even close to what you went through.

About rape, pregnant, and HIV? I can only answer this. 2 of my boyfriends tested positive for HIV in CA. One died, the other one.... who knows where he is. It was the scare of my life. I was not raped, nor pregnant by either one. However, when one died, it was a wakeup call.

I am not in a position to be telling these young people what to do...just think about it. The answer will come.

they should abort.

NO ABORTION!!
Read this its so sad it made me cry.

month One

I am only 3/4 of an inch long

but I have all my organs.

I love the sound of your voice.

Every time I hear it

I wave my arms and legs.

The sound of your heart beat

is my favorite lullaby.






Month Two

Mommy

today I learned how to suck my thumb.

If you could see me

you could definitely tell that I am a baby.

I'm not big enough to survive outside my home though.

It is so nice and warm in here.








Month Three

You know what Mommy

I'm a boy!!

I hope that makes you happy.

I always want you to be happy.

I don't like it when you cry.

You sound so sad.

It makes me sad too

and I cry with you even though

you can't hear me.





Month Four

Mommy

my hair is starting to grow.

It is very short and fine

but I will have a lot of it.

I spend a lot of my time exercising.

I can turn my head and curl my fingers and toes

and stretch my arms and legs.

I am becoming quite good at it too.




Month Five

You went to the doctor today.

Mommy, he lied to you.

He said that I'm not a baby.

I am a baby Mommy, your baby.

I think and feel.

Mommy, what's abortion?








Month Six

I can hear that doctor again.

I don't like him.

He seems cold and heartless.

Something is intruding my home.

The doctor called it a needle.

Mommy what is it? It burns!

Please make him stop!

I can't get away from it!

Mommy! HELP me!







Month Seven


Mommy

I am okay.

I am in Jesus's arms.

He is holding me.

He told me about abortion.

Why didn't you want me Mommy?




Every Abortion Is Just . . .



One more heart that was stopped.

Two more eyes that will never see.

Two more hands that will never touch.

Two more legs that will never run.

One more mouth that will never speak.


My answer is adoption.

And just so everyone knows my parents just about aborted me but were talked out of it at the last minutes.

Abortion was a decision that haunts me today.........it is something you always have at the back of your mind and 20 years later, you still think of it....

Wow. That's a tough one, Naty!

I really feel for your friends. It must be really tough for them to grasp the reality of what's going on.

Like Slow1 said, only those two know their situation best.

My prayers and thoughts go out to them. I wish them strength and peace with whatever decision they make.

you need an education to work to drive to fly to to do anything that requires skill.


what ever happened to getting an education to have children???


i swear....it's ridiculous that everyone takes the politically correct way out of a situation like this.


it's messed up. but it will be even more messed up dragging a life into it that has no responsible upbringing....ie:ability to respond...the operative word being ability....


once upon a time ...befor women were dominated by patriarchal societies and religions ...we knew what to do and we could keep our babies...but not in this world...not in this society where they are bartered over like so many bales of hay


people use children for blackmail on each other... emotional rivalry and competition...tell me honestly...


nevermind...i doubt most in here even know what it is to be painfully honest...

Is it cultural? Is it Christian ancestory?

Why always the only 'nice thing' to say?

Does everyone just follow along?

Or is it a real and honest look at the circumstances?

I believe their is a way of delivering one's insights in a respectful manner, irrespective of whether it goes against the grain of the common mentalitiy.


And this whole outrage at two young people trying to decide their future?

i am outraged




indeed at the stupidity of getting pregnant in the first place

how much respect for life have they shown????

their own and the quality of the life that a future child might have????

just because i don't embroider everything to death....


i am bl8ant.... it is just so.

i don't enjoy long explanations that insult the core of intelligence.....



sigh...... but that is lacking in here most of the time

Oh Bl8ant, I don't mean you, at all, you are one of the few that speaks the truth, and in a common no nonsense factual delivery.

I am just frustrated at the opinions of some of these people here, so quick to drop guilt trips on young people, who have messed up and weighing up their options.

You know my personal feelings about abortion, however, I am not going to indulge in some moralistic outrage, that abortion is the wrong thing to do for these young people.

It is not my right to do so.

i sort of knew that....

In the states its a womans choice and until our federal government steps in again it will remain so..age has nothing to do with it, its a personal choice.

OP..educate your friends on their options, all the options and then step out of this because in the end its the young girls choice.

There is nothing you can do Naty the same as the boyfriend. This is up to the girl, it is her body, her mentality and rest of her future. If she wants to abort that is her choice but need some counsellign before and after. If she keeps the child, I am sure she will get the support in time from her family. Yes, it will make things harder for her or both of them, juggling baby and career paths but it is nothing new many has done it.

We outsiders and her boyfriend can say what we think is best but this would affect the girl more mentality whatever option she takes. You just have to stay out and let them weigh their options and go from there.

I've been hesitant to reply to this thread because a man really has no say as to what happens if she decides to abort. Or in most cases if she decided not to.

It is a woman's right to decide in the end.

If as a couple they can come to a resolution then that's great.

If not....what if the man wants to keep the baby....should he be able to? Would or should the woman give him the option?

but when someone comes into a forum... and they are asking... then they are giving us the right to answer honestly as well.


i am just more honest than anyone likes to hear



good thing i'm not looking for a date eh???