Talking to people who fail to read what I write before they respond, is tiresome.

You are repeating what I told you, and telling yourself that you are saying something different.

Playing Pigeon-Chess again?

UPDATE:

Up to 70,000 migrants 'may soon be stranded in Greece

20,000 people stuck at the boarder. Soon it will be 40,000.

The prediction is that the military will be called into to control it. (Normally the military holds the boarder & distributes food & water). This is what the left political party is asking. The right has resisted using the military at all. (other than disturbing food & water).

The EU imigration leader said, now that there is a 28 country block, this will soon be a humanitarian crisis & everything must be done to stop the influx.

Austria announced more than a month ago that it will not except more than 37,500 seekers in 2016

Greece recalled their Austrian Ambassador

Germany says they have reached a decision to support Greece.

There are limits to everything. There has to be.

The size and scope of this "refugee" situation passed the limit that a policy of accepting and caring for all refugees, was passed long ago. I'm frankly amazed that every European nation involved hasn't decided quite a while ago, to seek out SOME alternative to letting the people run across their borders.

What that would be, I don't know. The options would logically include

* declaring some place of sufficient size and resources, to be a joint holding pen of sorts for the people;

* closing the borders completely, and begin military opposition to the hoards;

* going to the source, and physically preventing more people from leaving there;

* figuring out why the people are fleeing in such unusual numbers, and directly address whatever that is.

24 minutes ago

Migrants protest at Greece-Macedonia border as bottleneck builds
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AFP By Louisa Gouliamaki with Katerina Nikolopoulou in Athens

Idomeni (Greece) (AFP) - Stranded migrants lay with their children on rail tracks at Greece's northern border Sunday, demanding to be allowed to continue their journey, as Germany warned that Europe cannot let the country "plunge into chaos".

Tensions between European nations worst affected by the migrant crisis are running high, with Austria's Chancellor Werner Faymann accusing Greece of "behaving like a travel agency" for migrants hoping to start new lives elsewhere in Europe.

But after Balkan countries this week announced a daily cap on migrant arrivals, Athens warned that the number trapped in Greece could soon be in the tens of thousands, as refugee boats continue to land on Greek beaches from Turkey every day.

"We estimate that in our country the number of those trapped will be from 50,000-70,000 people next month," Greek Migration Minister Yiannis Mouzalas said in an interview with Mega TV, up from 22,000 at present.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Europe could not allow debt-crippled Greece to plunge into "chaos" by shutting countries' borders to refugees, just months after Athens' third huge international bailout.
Syrian and Iraqi refugees trapped at the …

"Do you seriously believe that all the euro states that last year fought all the way to keep Greece in the eurozone -- and we were the strictest -- can one year later allow Greece to, in a way, plunge into chaos?" she said in an interview with public broadcaster ARD.

Some 6,500 remained stuck in a camp at Idomeni on Greece's border with Macedonia, unable to move on after Macedonia and Serbia, as well as EU members Slovenia and Croatia, imposed a daily limit of 580 migrant entries.

Several hundred migrants staged a protest at the border on Sunday, sitting and lying with their children across the train tracks.

Some held up handwritten posters that read "Open the borders, no food" and "We are humans, not animals".

"I'm 17 days on the road with my family and my two children. I don't know what to do," one Syrian man told Athens News Agency as he lay across the tracks with his children.
Refugees queue for food as trousers dry at …

The build-up at the Idomeni camp, which can hold up to 1,500 people, began in earnest last week after Macedonia began refusing entry to Afghans and imposed stricter controls on Syrians and Iraqis.

The Balkan clampdowns come hot on the heels of a move by Austria, further up the migrant trail to Germany and Scandinavia, to introduce a daily cap of 80 asylum applications and a limit of just 3,200 migrants transiting through per day.

The controls have had a knock-on effect in Greece, where migrants have continued to arrive en masse by boat from Turkey.

- Austria-Greece row -

The tension has resulted in a public spat, with Austria accusing Greece of failing to adequately police its borders under its duty as the southeastern flank of Europe's Schengen passport-free zone.
Refugees sleep next to the fence at the Greek-Macedonian …

Chancellor Faymann compared Greece to a "travel agency" for migrants, adding in remarks to Austrian media: "Last year, Greece took in 11,000 asylum seekers, we took in 90,000. That can't be allowed to happen again."

But Mouzalas said Austria's politicians were talking with one eye on the electoral calendar: a presidential poll is due in April.

"Austria is a friendly country. They have reacted this way because of course they have accepted many migrants but also because elections are on the way," he told Mega TV.

Mouzalas said he expected the influx to slow when the information about closed borders spread in Turkey, where more than two million people fleeing the war in Syria have taken refuge.

He said the campaign, alongside a NATO operation in the Aegean Sea helping to police Greek waters, was expected to reduce arrivals by 70 percent.
Syrian migrants prepare to cross the Aegean …

- Italy braces for influx -

Pope Francis used his weekly address on Sunday to hail the "generous help" offered by Greece to migrants and to urge European countries to work together to "share the burden fairly".

In Italy, authorities are making preparations in case the border closures redirect the migrant flow towards the southeastern province of Puglia, which lies across the Adriatic Sea from Albania.

Coastguards and customs officials are patrolling the 300-kilometre (180-mile) coastline, which has numerous secluded beaches where boats can land discreetly.

Meanwhile, German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said he wants to speed up repatriations of rejected asylum seekers from North Africa.
Migrants queue for food at the camp near …

"Our goal is to make the procedures more efficient and faster," he said in emailed responses to written questions from AFP.

De Maiziere was to begin Sunday a visit to Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia -- nations that would be declared safe countries of origin under a proposed new German law, making it easier to send back failed asylum seekers.

http://news.yahoo.com/greece-says-70-000-migrants-may-trapped-next-105240306.html/

One this for sure, where the illegal migrants go war will follow.

Stop whining!

Merkel Says Greece Needs Help to Avert `Chaos' Over Refugees:

http://youtu.be/tjunYxb0bSc/ Chaos News
03:30
February 29, 2016

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-28/merkel-holds-firm-on-refugees-saying-policy-in-german-interest/

Blomberg Business

Combative chancellor tells Germans, Europe she's standing firm
Macedonia fights back thousands of migrants at Greek border

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Greece needs Europe’s help to keep the refugee crisis from plunging the country into “chaos” as police across the border in Macedonia fired tear gas to keep out thousands of migrants.

The violence at Greece’s northern frontier on Monday underscores the risk of a refugee bottleneck in a country that set off Europe’s debt crisis in 2010 and made austerity pledges to win its third international bailout last year. In a television interview, Merkel said shielding Greece is on the agenda of a European Union summit with Turkish officials on March 7.

“We didn’t keep Greece in the euro only to leave a country that’s part of the euro zone and the Schengen area -- a country that has many problems -- in the lurch,” Merkel said on ARD television late Sunday. Euro-area countries “fought to the limit” to keep Greece in the currency union and can’t now stand by and “plunge Greece into chaos, so to speak.”

QuickTake Europe's Refugee Crisis

Merkel’s combative tone signaled her determination to keep Europe’s borders open and avoid unraveling the so-called Schengen area of passport-free travel and commerce, which she says benefits Germany’s economy. Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble signaled Saturday Germany may be willing to give Greece some leeway as it struggles with the twin tasks of overhauling the economy and caring for an influx of refugees.

Two weeks before facing voters in three German states, Merkel stood firm in rejecting border closings, saying an open Europe is in Germany’s interest. Last year’s arrival of about 1 million refugees in Europe’s biggest migrant crisis since World War II has eroded Merkel’s approval rating, cut into her Christian Democratic Union’s support and prompted attacks against her policy from the leaders of the other two parties in her coalition.

In another challenge to Merkel, Macedonia joined its northern Balkan neighbors and Austria last weekend in restricting the number of refugees it’s allowing into the country. Macedonian police pushed back about 5,000 migrants on Monday after some broke through a border fence, police spokeswoman Dejana Nedeljkovic said by phone.
‘My Damned Duty’

“It’s a difficult path and it isn’t easy,” Merkel said. “It’s my damned duty to do everything to see that Europe finds a common approach.” A solution for Germany means thinking in terms of Europe and beyond. “Only if you believe in yourself can you achieve success.”

Pressure on Merkel to restrict the influx at the German border is also growing in her own party. Four of five Germans say their vote in the state ballots on March 13 will be determined by parties’ refugee policies, according to an Insa poll for Bild newspaper published Monday.

“I wish the chancellor lots of success at the summit in making European measures work, because otherwise we’ll have to take national measures as well,” Reiner Haseloff, a CDU member who’s running for re-election as premier of the eastern state of Saxony, said in a ZDF television interview. Also going to the polls are the western regions of Baden-Wuerttemberg and Rhineland-Palatinate.
Borders Closing

Merkel upheld her effort to enlist Turkey in helping reduce the flow of refugees from countries such as Syria, citing signs of progress and warning that even the March 7 summit with Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu won’t reduce the influx to zero. Merkel and Davutoglu spoke by phone on Sunday to discuss cooperation between Germany and Turkey, Hurriyet newspaper reported, citing Turkey’s Anadolu news agency.

“I am deeply convinced that the path I’ve taken is the right one,” Merkel said. “I am very optimistic that the European approach will succeed. This is not at all the time to think about alternatives.”

Tensions in Europe escalated on Friday as Greece denied an Austrian request for talks after the Austrian government said it was introducing a daily quota on refugees. Greek officials have warned of the risk of a humanitarian crisis if migrants are prevented from heading north.

“The financial situation is difficult,” Schaeuble told reporters at a Group of 20 meeting in Shanghai. “We are strongly fighting to combine the European tasks,” he said of the refugee crisis and economic reforms in Greece.

Live scenes: Thousands of refugees force through boarder fence.

http://youtu.be/i1p3LmZJoiQ/
03:49 - euronews
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Migrants to Storm EU Border Greece:

http://youtu.be/PEaoH5uVZY8/
01:43
February 29, 2016
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Greece: NATO ships arrive in Mediterranean as Greek Coast Guard Picks Up Refugees, (hundreds) to stop them from entering Europe

http://youtu.be/xeV8NAFVWi8/
01:25 - RT News
March 1, 2016 (Tuesday)
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Greece: Crisis on the border intensifies as Macedonia deploys..:

http://youtu.be/tfX3hWYrMQg/
00:19 - RT News
TODAY
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Greece: Riot police deployed at Idomeni border crossing as refugees grow

http://youtu.be/PuhFVnQ1v60/
01:56 - RT News
TODAY

The EU & Greece has sent 300 illegal migrants back to Turkey. But that number is nothing compared to the thousands they are dealing with. * that are stuck there *

All of Greece's neighbors are tightening their boarders.

Macedonia is sending more police & troops to hold back the 10,000 remaining. They are in full riot gear to protect themselves * they need it*
Migrants are throwing rocks at police & making make shift battering rams to take down fences.

Migrants are now building a make shift camp & it is being referred to as ' Jungle 0.2 '

2,500 MORE migrants arrived yesterday. Today's number will not be any less.
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'Jungle' 2.0? Migrants set up makeshift camps on Greek boarder

http://youtu.be/bOukJb77AT4/
00:05 - RT News - TODAY



* The Jungle " 0.1: is a notorious camp in Calais France... Everything about it is a nightmare, including crimes, inside & out, (the make shift shelters) are being demolished & they have been given 'legal' trailer containers *. Many RIOTS, including when the people were given 'legal' containers.. But REFUSED to leave the camp they made.
Parts of that camp are still being bulldozed (for 4+ days!), because of 'resistance' to moving in a trailer & subsequent riots *

only Invaders behave that way!

i have asked the question before, when do refugee's and migrants become invaders?
borders are there for a reason, for me, anyone who tries to break a border down to enter another country illegally should be shot on the spot!

i have asked the question before, when do refugee's and migrants become invaders?
borders are there for a reason, for me, anyone who tries to break a border down to enter another country illegally should be shot on the spot!


I noticed with the videos the " PC language " is fading away now. I see & hear , much more often "seekers" & " illegals "

Greece: Drone captures conversion of Olympic stadium

http://youtu.be/oRXSVfzkQJQ/
00:35
February 29, 2016
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Illness spreads in refugee camp on Greece-Macedonian Boarder

http://youtu.be/4Zo77lYeX0A/ 02:31
Yesterday - TRT World News
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Greece: Refugees continue streaming into Idomeni, many on foot.

http://youtu.be/xAU9GLgwQ3M/
01:44
Yesterday
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Greece: Refugees make last scrabble for Balkans route as EU tightens boarder. They want to get into Northern Europe BEFORE ' The Refugee, MARCH 7th SUMMIT', which may restrict them further.

http://youtu.be/818B7ZDb6zw/
07:47
Yesterday
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Refugee lifejackets in Lesvos Greece:

http://youtu.be/xkdpid2CHi0/
00:40

Approx. 250,000 lifejackets & rubber dingys. Piled 9-18 ft high on the island of Lesovs. And this has been going on for YEARS.

Got Cheese!

It's pretty much exactly what I've expected.

RAW: Drone buzzes over thousands of refugees stranded at Greek boarder

http://youtu.be/cvWzG-EAyc0/
02:51
Today - RT News

A regional Greek Governor has urged Athens at the Idomeni boarder crossing
to be declare a " State Of Emergency " as THOUSANDS of migrants are stranded. The former Yugoslav (Yugoslavia) Republic only allows small groups of asylum seekers to cross. * It does NOT say how many have already crossed or how many 'Yugoslavia' (?),
has taken already, since 1991 (?) *
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Drone footage: the evergrowing Jungle-like camp near Idomeni on the Greek- Macedonian boarder

http://youtu.be/ZWom7ljJWOk/
03:37
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Greece Idomeni refugees storming border fence to Macedonia

http://youtu.be/0ZiU0PF3RhY/ 03:45

8,000 Refugees are at this moment stuck in Idomeni
22,000 Refugees stuck in all of Greece
580 are permitted a day across the boarders of Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, Austria, Slovenia.
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30,000 (?) refugees stranded in Greece

http://youtu.be/OzsWGcXeHtg/
03:33 - TRT World News
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Bulgaria: Troops deployed to Greek border to control refugee flow

http://youtu.be/thYHJEAVwsw/


How could ANYONE from ANY country or ANY religion or lack of religion... NOT see this coming ?

Macedonia imposes new restrictions on stranded refugees

http://youtu.be/V4PEbP-6IOk/
00:52

New Restrictions:
Only Refugees from certain cities are allowed in. *Restricting some Syrians *
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Greece PM demands urgent relocation of refugees to other RU counties BEFORE the crucial "Emergency Summit ", March 7th, TODAY

http://youtu.be/ebXfpTgXFIo/
07:14
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Some European Newspapers Are Saying...
"Migrants are 'Putin's weapon of mass destruction'"

http://youtu.be/KhdIeN2x2R0/

IMO: LIARS! MERKEL & FRIENDS DID IT TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE & COUNTRIES BY BEING DOORMATS .
And everyone dropped the ball on Greece.
Set up to be the bad guy.

There are now 33,000- 40,000 migrants in Greece.
PLUS 6,000 on an island facing Turkey.

Macedonia is allowing 150 people per day.
14,000 + migrants now stranded at the Greek- Macedonian boarder

Endoemi Transit Camp: (Northern Greece) was designed for 1,500 people.
It now has OVER 11,000

At LEAST 13, mostly Pakistani men have been picked up by the Italian coast guard in the Aegean Sea, on Sunday, when their small rubber boat began to sink.

QUOTE:
There's only one thing that's certain:

none of it is as simple as most people want to pretend it is.

It's not JUST because Muslims kill each other, it's not JUST that Syria has been interfered with by a bunch of other countries, it's not JUST that Putin has been playing both sides, while mostly helping Assad, and it's especially not as simple as "telling the refugees to go home."

Get as self-righteous as you want, you'll be ignoring at least half of the factors and problems, and doing the equivalent of squeezing a balloon in the middle,and expecting the ends not to bulge.

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