This came up on another forum. I thought it to be an interesting subject.

I understand, from the Christian perspective, that the spirit that is God took human form in Jesus, for the purpose of redeeming our sinful nature.

But when to consider it, if I dare use the word, logically, what was all the drama about. Why was it necessary to create such a division in the poeple, and then to be martyred through torture and death of the body? Why was all that necessary?

well, I have great respect for the man that was Jesus,
but the crucification was only kind of necessary to keep Christians in hope, I think, otherwise I could think of no reason.

In S.t John 1:14 it states that the WORD (logos...signature of the breath of life) became flesh and dwelt among us. The Word is God, and the man was only taken out by those that had forgotten how to listen to the small still voice. But once the innocent WORD is moved from eternal to carnal and back to immortal, how can the chains of error further restrain it's POWER? All that understand that the WORD is alive can also understand that it's POWER is still and forever more the victor over death. All of what has been said and done is still in play and truth wins the day.

The only thing I can think of with this is how many would go against the "group/socially acceptable mind" to save a fellow human being? Specifically the communal throng was allowed to let one go - interesting to see who was chosen and who was not. Which type of "crime" inspired the greatest fear?

Without such a severe death, would the resurrection have been so miraculous? After all, he could have just past out and revived later.....

it sounds so fascinating yet depreciating in a sense to suffer as he did, apparently suffering creates witness' and somehow we will be redeemed through his suffering? Then why all the suffering?

Woodee - If Jesus had died of pnemonia at the age of,oh say, 50,and then was resurrected, wouldn't that have accomplished the same thing?

Good lord no, they could've blamed that type of death on God. He needed to be killed by man.

hmm that would put a different kind of wrench in the story eh?

wench

2much - I don't get either. Why all the suffering, I'm sure living a good long live, and continueing to teach, as a pauper through illness and hunger, might be considered suffering enough.

There are many who would rather see a convicted murderous pedifile live a long life of agony, because they death as an easy way out.

So why all the commotion, why all the drama and blood.

But than there's the bigger question:

If God's law was derived through prophits for centuries, why not just say, "hey God said we're forgiven"? Why suddenly after thousands of years, did it become necessary for God to save us from the nature that was given to us?

because i don't think the his intention was followed

if you lose your life for god, you will gain another

not meaning physical

Free will. Man has to come to God of his own free will and whole heartedly - otherwise it just don't count.

IMHO

To prove that even Lucifer, who was second to the Godhead and highest of created beings, would lead a group and actually carry out the death of his creator.

To prove how far darkness would lead.

transient, are you saying that jesus went to hell? 'cause i don't think that is true.

no. he didn't die of neglect or from the carnal nature of things in a creation that is not designed to sustain its sprouts in any perpetual display of perfection. Understanding the secret that is always in the open to be viewed involves participation in its tenents. For example, turning the other cheek to further humiliation is rewarded with further abuse as is evident to all; whereas the humility experienced through yields to that tenent bring the Lord into the event and what comes to the believer for the obedience to the tenent is far greater than any subsequent abuse witnessed by all created things. The witness of God's own hand in our obedience exceeds any expectation of protection from further abuse perpetuated by our sacrifice. The hand of God on our doings is evident to the doers of the Word annd not to the hearers only. The secret is in the adherence to the confidence in a greater principle not in the debate.

I think it has more to do with passing from the physical to the spiritual, the death symbolizes this

No, I don't believe hell is a place currently in existence. I believe that hell, as spoken of in the Bible is what happens after Armageddon. It's how the "new earth" is renovated.

I believe that Jesus felt all of our sins at once, kind of like hell came to him.

That could kill you.

if we believe he suscumbed to the devil, then what hope have we?