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Topic: Mass shooting and Narcisissm
Conrad_73's photo
Sat 12/05/15 11:31 AM




actually if you look into the 'typical' school shooting perpetrator he is not usually narcissistic..at least at the high school level

are they trying to send a message
to scream " look at me world" most definitely
and they realize that they will be probably getting shot
or they end up taking their own life afterwards



that's,, narcissism

'look at me world'

In that Case,you have Narcissus' Big Brother sitting in the WH as we speak?laugh


there is a difference between people electing one to represent them and one taking it upon themselves to have everyone else appease them,,,

I suggest you have another good honest look at your "Savior" in the WH!laugh

TMommy's photo
Sat 12/05/15 11:39 AM


Often people who act violently have trouble controlling their feelings. They may have been hurt by others. Some think that making people fear them through violence or threats of violence will solve their problems or earn them respect. This isn't true. Some violence occurs as a response to prolonged hurt, trauma, bullying or victimization. People may use violence to get something, while others may act out of self-protection or desperation.
People who behave violently lose respect. They eventually find themselves isolated or disliked, and they still feel angry and frustrated.
Anger itself is not always a sign that violence is imminent. While anger may be a warning sign of violence, it must be put in context. In fact, by assuming that anger or increased substance abuse will always lead to violence means that many non-violent people who are in need of help become unfairly characterized as violent. What is most important to look at is if there are “new” signs and significant changes in behavior.
The presence of some of the signs or factors listed below should alert us to the possibility that an individual may be at risk of violence. It should be noted, however, that the presence of one or more signs or factors does not necessarily mean that the person will be violent.
Some signs of potential for violence may be historical or static (unchangeable) factors like:
A history of violent or aggressive behavior
Young age at first violent incident
Having been a victim of bullying
History of discipline problems or frequent conflicts with authority
Early childhood abuse or neglect
Having witnessed violence at home
Family or parent condones use of violence
A history of cruelty to animals
Having a major mental illness
Being callous or lacking empathy for others
History of vandalism or property damage
Other signs of potential violence may be present over time and may escalate or contribute to the risk of violence given a certain event or activity. These might include:
Serious drug or alcohol use
Gang membership or strong desire to be in a gang
Access to or fascination with weapons, especially guns
Trouble controlling feelings like anger
Withdrawal from friends and usual activities
Regularly feeling rejected or alone
Feeling constantly disrespected
Some signs of potential violence may be new or active signs. They might look like:

Increased loss of temper
Frequent physical fighting
Increased use of alcohol or drugs
Increased risk-taking behavior
Declining school performance
Acute episode of major mental illness
Planning how to commit acts of violence
Announcing threats or plans for hurting others
Obtaining or carrying a weapon


APA website

Interesting reading. So difficult to stop these people, as what you state above

*It should be noted, however, that the presence of one or more signs or factors does not necessarily mean that the person will be violent.*
no these are only possible warning signs and as a parent, guardian, teacher, counselor they are things that we can watch out for

msharmony's photo
Sat 12/05/15 01:01 PM





actually if you look into the 'typical' school shooting perpetrator he is not usually narcissistic..at least at the high school level

are they trying to send a message
to scream " look at me world" most definitely
and they realize that they will be probably getting shot
or they end up taking their own life afterwards



that's,, narcissism

'look at me world'

In that Case,you have Narcissus' Big Brother sitting in the WH as we speak?laugh


there is a difference between people electing one to represent them and one taking it upon themselves to have everyone else appease them,,,

I suggest you have another good honest look at your "Savior" in the WH!laugh


project much?

if I considered ANY person in the Whitehouse(or any other house) a 'savior', I would join the ranks of those whining about the miracles they didn't perform,,lol

no photo
Sat 12/05/15 01:13 PM
Narcissism seems to be the illness du jour of American culture.

IMO if there is one; the illness du jour of American culture is cyberchondria, and a desire to take complex things and make them as simplistic as possible so they can be marginalized and therefore have the appearance of being controlled.


If you read the symptoms of things like narcissism, or depression, or a heart attack, it's extremely easy to make things fit it.

I mean this:
lack of empathy for others, an extreme belief in one’s grandiose self-importance, a sense of entitlement that others must do their bidding, fantasies of unlimited success, power, beauty, ease in exploiting others, arrogance, enviousness, need to be admired

Describes every young child.
Can describe pretty much any avid sports fan.
Anyone on a date.

And I would say that every human being on the face of this planet has been in a situation where the symptoms as posted here represent them.

Husband doesn't want to go to my sisters house after she just got divorced?
Thinks he knows what he's doing without reading directions and also doesn't need to stop and ask directions?
Oh wait, he also demanded a raise from his boss last week since he's been there for 10 years.
Oh no, he told our kid to do what he said because he's the dad!
And he keeps buying powerball tickets thinking he'll win!
Plus I found some rogaine in his medicine chest!
Gasp! He called my brother a pushover when I was worried about borrowing money, and he envies the neighbors their pool!
And finally, last night after sex, he asked how good it/he was!
Those fit all the symptoms of narcissism I read on the internet!
I'm married to a narcissist. He's going to go on a shooting rampage!

They seethe with anger, the “narcissistic rage” characterized by...“the need for revenge…for undoing a hurt by whatever means…”

Wow. So a kid that gets mad for being grounded and phone privileges removed punches the wall.
Oh no! Narcissist!

giving their pain to others and in doing so build up the remnants of their self-worth through violence

This could describe every person that joins the military, or takes karate, or football, or becomes a surgeon.

could narcissim be more a culprit for war and terrorism than religion?

Sure.
It "could."
So "could" satan or god.
So "could" high levels of lead in the environment.
So "could" population pressure and finite resources.
So "could" testosterone.
So "could" crappy parenting and passing off kids to strangers all their life, or single mothers having too much influence over young boys, or men just not wanting to be dads.
So "could" over use of birth control among certain classes of people.
So "could" it be a combination of thousands of different things.

It "could" be just as likely something like this:
no these are only possible warning signs and as a parent, guardian, teacher, counselor they are things that we can watch out for

People read symptoms online.
Then start "looking" for them.
Think they spot some, then start acting different towards someone.
People naturally respond to the cues they get from others.
So it "could" be the whole Stanford prison and Milgram experiments in real life.
Where people simply start behaving how others come to expect them to behave.

Which is a far cry from narcissism.
It's giving other people what they want.




msharmony's photo
Sat 12/05/15 02:22 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 12/05/15 02:23 PM
lets see

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder-symptoms/



In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:
◾Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
◾Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
◾Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
◾Requires excessive admiration
◾Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
◾Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
◾Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
◾Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
◾Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes


FIVE OR MORE


individually they aren't so much of a big deal

InvictusV's photo
Sat 12/05/15 04:07 PM
Individuals that become serial killers or mass murderers could suffer from NPD.

Groups of organized people that are committed to wage war on all people that aren't in support of their aims having NPD?

I don't think so.


no photo
Sat 12/05/15 04:09 PM

lets see

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder-symptoms/



In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:
◾Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
◾Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
◾Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
◾Requires excessive admiration
◾Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
◾Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
◾Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
◾Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
◾Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes


FIVE OR MORE


individually they aren't so much of a big deal

What if I have only four, what does that make me
Numbers 1, 2, 4, 6 laugh

panchovanilla's photo
Sat 12/05/15 04:19 PM
Back in the day,
Narcissists had simpler, less lethal ways
of getting attention.



Worked for me.happy

msharmony's photo
Sat 12/05/15 05:34 PM


lets see

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder-symptoms/



In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:
◾Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
◾Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
◾Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
◾Requires excessive admiration
◾Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
◾Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
◾Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
◾Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
◾Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes


FIVE OR MORE


individually they aren't so much of a big deal

What if I have only four, what does that make me
Numbers 1, 2, 4, 6 laugh



on the verge,,,,,? lol

no photo
Sat 12/05/15 06:39 PM
President Barack Obama plans to address the nation Sunday from the Oval Office on the government's efforts to keep Americans safe, the White House announced.

Obama will address the ongoing investigation of the San Bernardino attacks, as well as the broader threat of terrorism, according to a release from the White House Press Secretary sent out Saturday. The address is scheduled for 8 EST.
(Washington DC time)

Obama to make Oval Office address in wake of terror attack - POLITICO http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/obama-oval-office-address-terror-216457/

.......strong conviction that ISIL will be destroyed and that the United States must draw upon our values — our unwavering commitment to justice, equality and freedom — to prevail over terrorist groups that use violence to advance a destructive ideology," the release said.

TMommy's photo
Sat 12/05/15 07:16 PM

Narcissism seems to be the illness du jour of American culture.

IMO if there is one; the illness du jour of American culture is cyberchondria, and a desire to take complex things and make them as simplistic as possible so they can be marginalized and therefore have the appearance of being controlled.


If you read the symptoms of things like narcissism, or depression, or a heart attack, it's extremely easy to make things fit it.

I mean this:
lack of empathy for others, an extreme belief in one’s grandiose self-importance, a sense of entitlement that others must do their bidding, fantasies of unlimited success, power, beauty, ease in exploiting others, arrogance, enviousness, need to be admired

Describes every young child.
Can describe pretty much any avid sports fan.
Anyone on a date.

And I would say that every human being on the face of this planet has been in a situation where the symptoms as posted here represent them.

Husband doesn't want to go to my sisters house after she just got divorced?
Thinks he knows what he's doing without reading directions and also doesn't need to stop and ask directions?
Oh wait, he also demanded a raise from his boss last week since he's been there for 10 years.
Oh no, he told our kid to do what he said because he's the dad!
And he keeps buying powerball tickets thinking he'll win!
Plus I found some rogaine in his medicine chest!
Gasp! He called my brother a pushover when I was worried about borrowing money, and he envies the neighbors their pool!
And finally, last night after sex, he asked how good it/he was!
Those fit all the symptoms of narcissism I read on the internet!
I'm married to a narcissist. He's going to go on a shooting rampage!

They seethe with anger, the “narcissistic rage” characterized by...“the need for revenge…for undoing a hurt by whatever means…”

Wow. So a kid that gets mad for being grounded and phone privileges removed punches the wall.
Oh no! Narcissist!

giving their pain to others and in doing so build up the remnants of their self-worth through violence

This could describe every person that joins the military, or takes karate, or football, or becomes a surgeon.

could narcissim be more a culprit for war and terrorism than religion?

Sure.
It "could."
So "could" satan or god.
So "could" high levels of lead in the environment.
So "could" population pressure and finite resources.
So "could" testosterone.
So "could" crappy parenting and passing off kids to strangers all their life, or single mothers having too much influence over young boys, or men just not wanting to be dads.
So "could" over use of birth control among certain classes of people.
So "could" it be a combination of thousands of different things.

It "could" be just as likely something like this:
no these are only possible warning signs and as a parent, guardian, teacher, counselor they are things that we can watch out for

People read symptoms online.
Then start "looking" for them.
Think they spot some, then start acting different towards someone.
People naturally respond to the cues they get from others.
So it "could" be the whole Stanford prison and Milgram experiments in real life.
Where people simply start behaving how others come to expect them to behave.

Which is a far cry from narcissism.
It's giving other people what they want.




not a big fan of profiling then? hahaha and uh ya I am aware of those experiments bigsmile

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