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Topic: Texas Officer Arrests Man Because Of His Legal Gun
Lpdon's photo
Sat 11/21/15 05:13 AM
A Texas driver says he wound up in handcuffs after he told a police officer during a routine traffic stop that he was legally carrying a concealed weapon.

Alonzo Gonzalez told KPRC-TV this week that he was pulled over by a police officer in Rosenberg, Tex. for failing to signal a turn. He said he ended up getting arrested for traffic violations after the officer asked if he had his handgun with him and he replied, “I sure do.”

“Just because I have a handgun on me which, you know, I have a license to carry, it shouldn't be a big deal, but that's what made it the turning point,” Gonzalez told the station.

KPRC reported the police dash cam video captured the August 2014 traffic stop. The video was just turned over to Gonzalez.

The station reported that after the officer's initial conversation with Gonzalez, he called for backup.

It also reported that the officer had resigned and was no longer on the force.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/21/texas-motorist-says-officer-query-about-legal-firearm-leads-to-arrest/?intcmp=hpbt3

Interesting. It is very rare that a Law Enforcement Officer arrests anyone for a petty traffic infraction. I wonder why this Officer handled it this way, and in Texas! Other then Nevada, Texas is the most gun friendly state in the nation.

It's also curious as to the Officer resigned, maybe a forced resignation?


On the video the officer can be seen returning to Gonzalez's truck with the backup who has his gun drawn.

“Mr. Gonzalez, get your hands up on the wheel, both of them,” the officer then says on the video. “Appreciate it. Here’s what I want you do. I want you to step out of the truck for me. When you do so I want you to keep your hands on the back of your head, Okay?"

Seconds later, Gonzalez is seen getting out of the truck. He is handcuffed and told that he is being arrested "for traffic violations.”

"If I didn't have my firearm on me, I would have had a citation and they would have let me go," Gonzalez said.

Rosenberg Police Lt. William Henry told the station Thursday that the department does not target people with handgun licenses.

“We don’t target gun owners in general,” he said. “Any responsible gun owner…we’re not out targeting people like that. As far as what the officer perceived, the officer perceived a threat.”

The station reported that an internal investigation concluded the officer who pulled Gonzalez over followed all proper procedures.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sat 11/21/15 05:27 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sat 11/21/15 05:28 AM

I can see them handcuffing, even temporarily disarming him for their own protection while doing their business, but to take it to the level of an arrest is beyond reason!

Male2009's photo
Sat 11/21/15 07:03 AM
Did the Police Officer in question suffer from PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder)??? He just went completely overboard... because, being an every day officer of the law can be incredibly stressful knowing that you may not come home to your loving family & kids thanks to some evil little scumbag who wants to end your life because they simply felt like it?

Obviously, the officer could've handled this situation differently? But didn't... Where does this leave him? No job or pension? I wonder....

The good thing is that nobody was hurt. Being asked to place your hands on the steering wheel of your vehicle is really not much of a hardship. It's always better to comply than resist.

This is more embarrassing politically for the department who may end up being sued?

Rock's photo
Sat 11/21/15 07:25 AM
I believe, the officer in question, was suffering from PMS, and was further exacerbated by the fact, that he couldn't find the string, to change his manpon.


Having lived, both in Nevada and Texas, I'd have to agree, that Nevada is more friendly to gun owners. 'Cept in Reno, and Las Vegas.

Alaska, is an extremely gun friendly state.

metalwing's photo
Sat 11/21/15 08:15 AM

I believe, the officer in question, was suffering from PMS, and was further exacerbated by the fact, that he couldn't find the string, to change his manpon.


Having lived, both in Nevada and Texas, I'd have to agree, that Nevada is more friendly to gun owners. 'Cept in Reno, and Las Vegas.

Alaska, is an extremely gun friendly state.


Alaska is different because in many cases you are expected to have a gun and in others you are required to. If you are outside the few cities, you are stupid if you don't.

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Sat 11/21/15 08:17 AM
The station reported that an internal investigation concluded the officer who pulled Gonzalez over followed all proper procedures.

Sometimes I wonder if people expect too much from police officers.
Possibly due to past t.v. shows that gave false images of heroic competence.

I mean they go through a short academy.
They don't go through medical school.

And a lot of the tests are basic competency.
Not to mention ultimately pass fail, where you just need to get "at least" 70-80% or so.
In "real life" schools some people are going to get a's, b's, c's and have different understanding of the material and a different grasp on where to apply it and different capabilities in applying it.

Cops don't go through a lot of military like training that basically pound away a lot of their individuality and personality to make sure they are simply a cog in a machine.

So do people expect police to be the same as soldiers? For their level to approach problems in the exact same way? Where it doesn't matter if you put officer a, b, c, d, x in that situation, the outcome will always be the same?

Some people are going to be those that shouldn't be doing the job.

It's also curious as to the Officer resigned, maybe a forced resignation?

Lots of people shouldn't do the jobs they have, they do it poorly for a while, then leave.

Doesn't seem all that curious to me.

This one could simply have been a bad cop, bad at their job, realized it, and left.

Happens all the time, everywhere.

At least no one got killed.

Doesn't really seem like it should be a news story...unless every cop in that department has a history of doing this.

You know what? Some kid at McDonald's didn't use very clean water to clean the bathrooms, and more than likely people using the facilities passed on all sorts of viruses.

That would be a more important story than "this one cop screwed up, no one was hurt, and now they're not a cop anymore."

Rock's photo
Sat 11/21/15 08:40 AM


I believe, the officer in question, was suffering from PMS, and was further exacerbated by the fact, that he couldn't find the string, to change his manpon.


Having lived, both in Nevada and Texas, I'd have to agree, that Nevada is more friendly to gun owners. 'Cept in Reno, and Las Vegas.

Alaska, is an extremely gun friendly state.


Alaska is different because in many cases you are expected to have a gun and in others you are required to. If you are outside the few cities, you are stupid if you don't.


Yeah... I've lived in Alaska.
Gun ownership, is common sense. Given the number of animals that consider humans to be a potential part of their diet.

Also, for hunting animals that are in the food chain. For some, hunting is the only source of food.

Though I'm not familiar with any village that actually requires gun ownership, I'm sure there might be a couple.

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Sat 11/21/15 08:54 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 11/21/15 08:55 AM
the story was very short on facts, except the drivers perception

no telling what the whole story was,, at least not from this story

does just SAYING you have a license to carry suffice as proof? when does a cop arrest someone and give the reason as 'traffic violations' instead of some specific TYPE of violation?

just seems like a case of a report that kind of told truth but not 'whole truth'


I wonder if cops will pitch a fit and refuse to do their job now that they cant arrest people that are legal gun owners if they are carrying their guns,,,,whoa

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Sat 11/21/15 08:58 AM
I would comment....but.....



Lpdon's photo
Sat 11/21/15 09:19 AM


I can see them handcuffing, even temporarily disarming him for their own protection while doing their business, but to take it to the level of an arrest is beyond reason!


I think out here they typically hold on to the gun until they finish writing the ticket and give it back to them. They don't typically handcuff them or anything like that.

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Sat 11/21/15 09:28 AM

the story was very short on facts, except the drivers perception

no telling what the whole story was,, at least not from this story

does just SAYING you have a license to carry suffice as proof? when does a cop arrest someone and give the reason as 'traffic violations' instead of some specific TYPE of violation?

just seems like a case of a report that kind of told truth but not 'whole truth'


I wonder if cops will pitch a fit and refuse to do their job now that they cant arrest people that are legal gun owners if they are carrying their guns,,,,whoa

TANGENT much?laugh

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Sat 11/21/15 09:29 AM
How many other tickets did this guy have? Maybe he had a warrant for un paid tickets.

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 11/21/15 09:31 AM

How many other tickets did this guy have? Maybe he had a warrant for un paid tickets.
must have been a Heap of them,since he needed Backup!laugh

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/21/15 09:42 AM


the story was very short on facts, except the drivers perception

no telling what the whole story was,, at least not from this story

does just SAYING you have a license to carry suffice as proof? when does a cop arrest someone and give the reason as 'traffic violations' instead of some specific TYPE of violation?

just seems like a case of a report that kind of told truth but not 'whole truth'


I wonder if cops will pitch a fit and refuse to do their job now that they cant arrest people that are legal gun owners if they are carrying their guns,,,,whoa

TANGENT much?laugh



sorry, I should have probably consulted you about what my opinion should be before I post it,,,laugh

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/21/15 09:42 AM


the story was very short on facts, except the drivers perception

no telling what the whole story was,, at least not from this story

does just SAYING you have a license to carry suffice as proof? when does a cop arrest someone and give the reason as 'traffic violations' instead of some specific TYPE of violation?

just seems like a case of a report that kind of told truth but not 'whole truth'


I wonder if cops will pitch a fit and refuse to do their job now that they cant arrest people that are legal gun owners if they are carrying their guns,,,,whoa

TANGENT much?laugh



sorry, I should have probably consulted you about what my opinion should be before I post it,,,laugh

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Sat 11/21/15 09:51 AM
Edited by alleoops on Sat 11/21/15 09:52 AM



the story was very short on facts, except the drivers perception

no telling what the whole story was,, at least not from this story

does just SAYING you have a license to carry suffice as proof? when does a cop arrest someone and give the reason as 'traffic violations' instead of some specific TYPE of violation?

just seems like a case of a report that kind of told truth but not 'whole truth'


I wonder if cops will pitch a fit and refuse to do their job now that they cant arrest people that are legal gun owners if they are carrying their guns,,,,whoa

TANGENT much?laugh



sorry, I should have probably consulted you about what my opinion should be before I post it,,,laugh


no, but you should get my permission to double post.:tongue:

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Sat 11/21/15 01:03 PM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Sat 11/21/15 01:04 PM
This has been going on for years.
It you check YouTube, under "Open carry harassment" etc. You'll see years of it & which states seem to be targeted.

One reason is...

Whites (including Hispanics who identified as White) constitute the majority, with a total of about 245,532,000, or 77.7% of the population as of 2013. Non-Hispanic Whites totaled about 197,816,000, or 62.6% of the U.S. population.

White American - Wikipedia,

That is just too damn many white people packing for the powers that be & the powers that will never be.


Dramatic sound effect: http://youtu.be/rbusENG6hCE/
smokin


msharmony's photo
Sat 11/21/15 01:14 PM
except powers that be are white people

so how does that work,,,,

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Sat 11/21/15 01:26 PM

except powers that be are white people

so how does that work,,,,


* shrugs * We need more cops with weapons

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/21/15 01:31 PM
yeah, cause cops are supercapable humans that can be so much more trustworthy and level headed than others,,,



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