The issue is with the flavourings and aerosol .. Some suggestion of carcinogenic activity .. But no conclusive testing evidence from long term use .

http:/apps.who.int/gb/fctc/PDF/cop6/FCTC_COP6_10-en.pdf

I guess it comes down to the chemicals and the effect on lung tissue . Without a doubt cigarette smoking is harmful .. I would check exactly what is in the electronic devices before embarking on that as a healthy alternative

Edited by Blondey111 on Thu 11/05/15 06:37 PM

This is one of the pseudoscientific claims that have very little credence when you actually think about it. Aerosols are ingredients suspended in an alcohol or alkane base RELEASED UNDER PRESSURE. No offense Blondie
There is no pressure vessel or means of dispensing in e-liquid. If the e-liquid was used in a solution that's thin enough to be bottled or canned under pressure there'd be no way of getting it into an ecig. Then if someone could get that thin a liquid in one it would be impossible to vape it, it'd be like sucking a drink though a broken straw.
The 1 thing that the MSDS(material data safety sheets) have as a health risk is called diacetyl. It lead to a condition called popcorn lung. Sounds really bad right? Only the allied groups and organizations like WHO, not named doctors putting their credibility on the line, that the risk is only in powder form in huge concentrations in POPCORN FACTORIES. In liquid form in minute concentrations compared to what workers in popcorn factories were exposed to, its harmless. It's also been all but eradicated from most large and small U.S. e-liquid companies.
The big tobacco companies are losing customers in a big way, their dirty politician legal and medical cohorts want to kill vaping because they're losing millions if not billions of dollars. Screw them.

For real information from a real doctor look up Dr. Farsalinos. He's done a lot of research on this but of course the medical and FDA won't stand behind his findings because cancer patients make them rich. Population control.... There's a lot of ways you can view this but any e-liquid companies in the U.S. by law have to list their ingredients and can on request produce MSDS. Some make their products in laboratories and clean rooms.
Name any cigarette, cigarillos, cigars, dip, snuff, chewing tobacco or pipe tobacco that list all their ingredients... Ask any company to produce a material safety data sheet for their unlisted poisons.
FBT.

Ok. That's among many of the things our governments are trying to shovel 'us'. They say oh, well we need to regulate this...

The truth is that nicotine is a controlled substance. All manufacturers get their nicotine from FDA and ATF controlled sources. There are permits and inspections regularly.

But the flavorings.. They're dangerous it's worse than smoking....

Truth, they are also regulated by the FDA. Many if not all flavorings used by manufacturers are GRAS (generally recognized as safe) USP food grade and or kosher. After all, these are food flavorings that existed before vaping.

But we don't know what's in there...
Truth, ALL e-liquid made in the U.S. by law must list the ingredients on the bottles. There are 4 most of the time, vegetable glycerin (natural), propylene glycol (used in food and medicine regularly)
These two ingredients make up most of the liquids. They're in toothpaste, lotions, creams, shampoo, bodywash, soaps hand sanitizer, they're in almost any non solid hygiene products AND
lall, ALL rescue asthma or other types of inhalers (propylene glycol). They used to call them glycol inhalers I had one as a child for asthma. Your concerns about aerosols belong with those inhalers.
The other two ingredients are nicotine and food flavorings.

If the flavorings are deadly, don't eat anything you didn't pick off a tree shoot or catch yourself.

A few states have gone as far as issuing very short lived flavor bans. They'd have to pull all packaged foods and drinks from the stores and that would be anarchy in the worst possible form.

All liquids must be in child proof ( ) bottles. Not one cigarette to date that I'm aware of nor any other tobacco products for that matter have been forced to comply to any such regulations. No listed ingredients no childproof package, nothing. So what is our government telling children? What are they telling us?

They already regulate the ingredients the bottles the flavorings the nicotine what they are trying to do now is to make all the hardware (batteries, wire, wicking materials, tanks and atomizers)as drug paraphernalia, contraband, illegal... This is how stupid they think we are. Doctors and politicians (none named of course) are pushing these regulations to make vapers go back to cancer sticks. I fart in their general direction.

stopped Tobacco in '94,Cold Turkey,at two to three Packs a dayso I don't see any reason to jump on the VAP-Bandwagon!
In 2010 I was diagnosed with Lung-cancer,gonna have my Last Checkup in January!
If it contains Nicotine it's as bad for your Health as CIGS are!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Adverse_effects

I got a Sixth Toe,but it's on the Other Foot!

Another thing of note that any certified diver can tell you:
The two main gasses in our air (oxygen and nitrogen) can kill you. Both of them. Not carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide which we all know to be deadly and found in cigarette smoke, but pure oxygen and pure nitrogen.

Drinking too much water can also kill you. Once you pass a certain point the cells of the body cannot hold or release water fast enough so the cell walls themselves burst like water balloons.

The main 3 things necessary for human life to be sustained can also end our lives.

If there is any reason at all that people should vape instead of smoke is since there is no combustion, and no laundry list of preservatives or other poisons they add to cigarettes, there is no such thing as 'second hand vapor'. The idea or even the sound of the phrase is ridiculous. If you make coffee or tea or cook anything you're making vapor. Second hand smoke on the other hand, isn't just stinky, it's worse than what the smokers inhale because it's unfiltered. I don't have to beat that dead horse.

I hope your check up goes well.

Adverse, yes. When you talk about nicotine, do any of the cigarette or other product companies say exactly how much nic is in 1,5,10,20 or in a full carton of cigs? Do they list any of the non nic additives in particular which one raise the levels of deadly carbon monoxide? Recently the light, ultra-light, full flavor labeling has changed with recent studies showing light and ultra-lights have just as much or more nicotine than full flavors or regulars. They're more addictive and have all the additives and other preservatives that regulars have. They changed from that to colors, blue gold silver etc to try to conceal the fact that they were putting additives in to make cigs more addictive. Not flavorings and still concealed by congress the manufactures the medical community and the FDA and ATF. The 'conventional' non cold turkey cessation means (patches,gums lozenges etc.) are either from the same companies big Pharma or a collaboration. (They turned away from nicorette when it became clear that lots of people would rather do anything else, and started backing blu, Mark ten, zonic ) In the last 2 years or so. Remember all cigarette ads being removed from tv, sporting events in the 90's targeting Joe Camel and the Marlboro man? What would make them put American made nicotine delivery systems easier to steal and or hide from parents? Then there's tar... Absolutely no tar in e-liquid.
Nicotine can poison you if you ingest high concentrations. The one thing vaping shares with cigs is that any user nearing those levels will know it due to the vasoconstriction and woozy, lightheadedness.
The delivery of the addictive nicotine as with other more green 'flowers' is more efficient when vaporized versus smoking where large quantities are destroyed or chemically altered by the combustion. This means even if you choose higher nic liquids you need less to get the dosage needed to stave off the cravings to light up.

If the only difference is cutting out the effects of second hand smoke and making our clothes hair cars and homes smell better it'd still be worth it. I thinks as users we owe kids and nonsmokers at least that much.

They are also dangerous. There have been numerous instances of them exploding(because of the battery) one person almost died on the spot.

They really aren't healthier at all.

If you use it temporarily to ween yourself off of tobacco, then quit entirely, I can see the benefits. But to swap tobacco for the E-cig permanently ... not too sure about that either.


CF, don't take this personal, this is EXACTLY what Phillip Morris, Lorilard, Marlboro, etc. want you to do. If (you) anyone becomes fearful that something is worse than smoking, they (you) will stop buying hardware, batteries, liquids, and all the other supplies. Even if you read w/e and got so scared of vapor, think about that for a minute afraid of vapor, and quit cold turkey on the spot and NEVER LOOKED BACK <to question or SEE what exactly it is that you are running from> you would be helping big tobacco more than the $4-9 a pack you were giving them.

how? You'd do exactly what you just did and TELL other vapers, smokers, or those thinking about doing either.
Think about this for a second, you became so afraid of VAPOR, that you quit. You quit. How many people read that or some diluted version of it and said I wanna quit but this craving is so bad I'm gonna smoke half a cig and put it out. I'll just smoke one cigarette. I'll just smoke one when I wake up, one after breakfast, one while I'm driving... Right? I'm not sure what you read exactly but I know of 1 study your reading may have been bastardized from.
The New England Journal of Medicine.
The risk: when wire becomes overheated* large* amounts of formaldehyde are produced*.
This test used a particular piece of equipment called a CE5. Cheap some disposable, but most new vapers start on this. VERY small wire, silica wick, fitted so that higher power batteries aren't compatible with this without an adaptor. The tiny stick batteries with very little wattage and current are compatible with them. Those stick batteries that are adjustable will not get the wire in the CE5 to the temperature needed to create that result. They don't have the power to get the wire that hot. Different devices with lager batteries that COULD, withan adapter, get the wire that hot are completely intolerable to even the most hardcore veteran vapers in the business.
Even though no one used that equipment in that way apart from those recreating the claim to dispel the myth, there is new equipment that not only controls the electricity (wattage, voltage) they now also have the ability to control the temperature of the wire itself in real time.
The New England Journal of Congress, I mean Reynolds, Morris, Medicine that's it... Did a Google search of the wire and it's maximum operating temperature (before the metal melts at 1400C) then found out how to get the device to get to that temperature or close, and took their data from that. They could have been working with other agencies to get the lead out of our water but they'd rather protect their friends in D.C. and their special interest Big Tobacco.

There's a few conditions that have to be met for this to happen.
1. Big wires (very low resistance)
2. Very close to the metal top cap on the RDA
3. The wire itself has to move during operation
4. Metal battery body (mod) with little or no venting
5. A person dumb enough to hold the button long enough with 1-4 (most vapers couldn't tolerate the heat of the vapor or the battery and mod)
6. 1-5 + the wire makes contact with the metal top cap but is thick enough not to melt when the wires cause a short circuit.
7. 1-6 + the protective wrapper on the battery itself melts causing an internal short circuit resulting in full venting of the expanding gasses that cannot be stopped.
8. 1-7 + the idiot has to still be holding it up next to his face.

Ohms law and battery safety are HEAVILY stressed. Fortunately many new devices have short circuit, reverse polarity, battery enclosure temperature protection, and wire temperature control on top of not having metal exposed to the battery sled.

I purchased the Eleve I stick TC 40 watt.. with the Nautilus mini.. it has surge protection and temperature control.... it is a very good unit..
The only problem I am noticing.. is with the Nautilus tank system.. it is very hard to open to refill I'm having to use a plumbers wrench..lol.. I have already broken two of the glass vessels....grrrrrrrrrrrr. . Bit of a design flaw..

I will agree any nicotine is bad for you but the amount in the juices is less than whats in cigarettes.. I believe it starts at 22 milligrams and goes down from there... once you have weaned yourself off a cigarette.. you can continue to vape with non nicotine juices... the flavor and aroma is quite pleasant... it leaves no real noticeable order in your house.... are on your persons... but you can taste the flavor of the juice for some time.. on your tongue...yum.... I have gone from nearly a pack a day.. down to having three or four cigarettes.... my initial startup cost was under $100.. a carton of cigarettes cost..110...x2 per month.... the little vials of juice cost $8..lol... I can see maybe going through four of those a month..lol..
E-cigarettes and vapor win win in my books

It only needs to be screwed on until you see it pushing down on the silicone gasket. You can count the turns it takes when it's empty then test the seal with just a little liquid in it to see if it leaks or not. They also have metal guards for the Pyrex and a few other types of metal tanks or ones with windows so you can see the liquid.

Wow bro
You are doing amazing.
Keep going, you have this.

Nicotine is also in eggplant. Chemically it's very close to vitamin B which helps the body convert calories into energy used in the muscles. Acetylcholine... Nicotine is a naturally occurring stimulant, a way we trick our bodies to feel energized. Smoking isn't a great way to get just nicotine into the bloodstream, plus tobacco gets stale if dry or molds if it's too moist and warm. Keeping it between those two conditions without enormous fleets of mobile humidors is where the poisonous additives come in. I'd rather have vegetable glycerin any day of the week.

..yes going to go with the metal accessories.. pretty up my baby..lol

..thanks u..

Also, be sure to clean your tank at least every 2 days and the driptip at least twice a day. Use dish detergent make sure it's thoroughly rinsed with hot water and bone dry before you fill it up again. Don't touch the inside of the tank or coil with dirty gas oil etc because if it's in there you're vaping it. For mixing liquids, try mixing a little in the tank before mixing full bottles so you don't end up with a nasty flavor. Flavor rotations are good too, if one flavor isn't killing the craving changing flavors then not only keeps your tastebuds from getting desensitized to that flavor (it happens) but the flavor you change to can make you forget all about smoking. If you smoked a pack a day, you have already cut 16 cigs a day. The last few can be hard and figuring out the quirks of the hardware can be frustrating. My best advice for that is to get a second tank and keep your favorite flavor in that one so you can vape while you're cleaning the other one. Always have a backup.

So far I only have 3 juices coconut cream pie a double double and a root beer...all.. very good I have 2 mini tanks.. one of which the glass tank is broken on..lol.. so I'm going to pick up a new glass tank unless they have the metal accessory tank.. and two or three new flavor juices
. I'm even thinking of getting into the e-cigarette business.. the market .. isn't saturated .. the markup on the product doesn't seem very high.. but with the cost of cigarettes going up every day more and more smokers are going to be looking for an alternative...so demand should grow .. and un like cigarettes where you have many brands you need to carry.. you only really need to carry three or four different brands of e-cigarettes and accessories ..keeping overhead low...
And then there is the matter of the juices themselves I don't believe you need a license to sell the product