Ocee! Long time, no see man.

My 19 year old brother had an idea several months ago...government sponsored lypo which turns the fat into biodiesel.

It was meant as a joke, but when I shared it with Dad he said (don't hate me, he's a natural gas co. civil engineer) that they're trying to work it out.

!!!

I'm speechless!

First everyone has to give up ego and recognize that we are but a tiny piece of a whole. That we as a single entity are not too important, but the whole wouldn't be complete without us.
If we all could do that, things would nearly fall into place by themselves.

Actually, there are quite a few energy variations out there, magnetic too, its getting it past the greed aspect involved that seems to be the problem. New mind set is definitely required.

Hi TS, ya it's been a few.


I'd support the biodiesel idea, and even government managed population control... except that if you look at our organizations in the same way you would evaluate an organism they just aren't that well developed yet. They lack any moral perogative beyond their own survival, and they're not even real good at that yet.

...Maybe a people's bio-oil co-op, Heineys to Highways.



Mag do motors rock, Dk... and force-addition motors.

**Mag-motors-do-rock**

Could just make soap,

cleanliness is next to godliness after all...

Nothing says religious piety like scrubbing your face with ass.

It DOES make sense, though...

With solar, wind and water, being able to produce electricity, what is wrong with electric cars, and other alternatives, and getting away from combustible fuels of any sort?

I may be idealistic, however, I don't see why it is not as profitable, other than it being a sustainable resource.

Surely technology could be utilised in a more sustainable way.

The whole thing baffles me.

Economic empires don't work, this history is showing that.

That's true, Lee.




Good thread, Abra. Sorry I, um, ran away with it.


Ok, night night all, I'm getting silly. Been up since 2am yesterday and it's 4am here. Coffee too strong. Good to see y'all.

You're absolutely correct, IMHO, Vis.

Hmmmm,…

I just came back on, (couldn’t sleep). I saw two pages already and was amazed at so many responses. Then opened the thread and found that it had become a chat room.

I vote Transientmind for president, pope, pauper and King!

I think he’s got some really good ideas there!

Ocee! Wow! The ghost from Osterdam Island! Just popping in from nowhere!

Great to see you!

Hope you’ve been doing well.

Wench, I have no problem becoming a vegetarian again. I actually liked being a vegetarian before and to be quite honest about it I do have mixed feelings about eating meat. However, there are two schools of thought on that one,… and I’m not really sure which one is better. In some ways I think eating meat might be the higher moral ground,…. but only it,….

Choice #1 – We eat meat.

Doe this mean that we would be killing animals unnecessarily?

Well, no it doesn’t necessarily mean that. Even when I was a vegetarian, I did eat meat on rare occasions. Plus I ate eggs all the time. I kept chickens, mainly for the eggs, but culling simply became a practical matter. And once their dead why not eat them?

I looked at it like this,… the chickens would have never even been born if I hadn’t incubated the eggs and raised the chicks. I gave them a really great life while they were alive. They were free to roam and although they had a fenced in area and a coop, that was really more for their protection from wild animals than anything, and I would let them out during the day. But they would often stay right around the coop anyway just on their own. They seemed to be content, and I never had to chase a chicken to catch it.

When I did cull them I did it as quickly and cleanly as possible. It didn’t seem to be an extremely traumatic thing for the birds.

In any case, the point is that they would have never lived at all had I not been using them for eggs and food. So which is better? To never live at all? Or to be given at least a short life?

Of course, this evaluation doesn’t consider the gross abuse of commercial meat industry. So I’m looking at this solely from a back-to-basics lifestyle where everyone cares kindly for their livestock while it is alive.

Choice #2 – We don’t eat meat

In the case of the chicken scenario above that simply means that the birds are never born. So again the question is whether it’s better to have a short life, or no life at all?

For other animals such as cows, etc, again, we can’t just let other animals reproduce in great numbers or they would overrun us. Even if we don’t eat them we are forced to at least control them simply because the planet is finite in size.

So I’m up in the air when it comes to eating animals on a purely moral issue. I think it can go either way. We might actually be doing them a favor by managing them in a healthy way to use as food rather than just not raising them at all.

However, I don’t really see anything wrong with a purely vegetarian diet either. I’m just not so sure that’s necessarily the best option for the animals that would then never have any experience of life at all.

Jess wrote:
“Economic empires don't work, this history is showing that.”

Yep. Worshiping mammon is out! But that’s what we are currently doing!!!

And moving away from that kind of lifestyle isn’t even remotely on the political table.

klc wrote:
“individual thinking, but with a reliance on other people...perhaps you think that makes no sense....idunno.”

Makes perfect sense to me. I worked in R & D most of my life and it was all about individual thinking but with a reliance on other people.

In the latter part of my life I taught college classes, and I was very much in-tune with the individual student’s needs and learning abilities. So again, it was all about individual thinking, but with a reliance on other people. (I might add that few instructors teach the way I did). In fact, my peers were always ribbing me about how much I would bend over backwards for the students. But I was there for the students, not for the paycheck.

So I’m with ya.

I always had the belief that, that is what the US Constitution was all about - the individual's right to freedom and liberty - but also working together as a whole, and it was worth preserving.

Was I mistaken?

The bible written is book written centuries ago with different set of values, and it's useless nowadays, somebody wrote.
I don't know why people can't see that the bible is the only book that updates itself on a daily basis. In a person by person basis.
If I read the bible, and I'm bias because of what some christians say about hell, sin, and damnation. Ofcourse I would like to get rid of such book.
Nevertheless, the very answer of the question posted originally in this thread is answered in every single page of the bible, but for me to find that answer I must have an open heart, and not an open brain.
The answer is very simple:
"love each other, in the same way I have love you."
don't ask me what book, chapter, or verse because I can't remember at this moment, but it's in the bible.
If we as a specie practice that we would evolve at light speed.
But if I read the bible trying to find a god who is a punisher well then i would like to get rid of that book.
But in the bible is also written:
"God has huge mercy, and he is slow to anger." (maybe not the exact words, you have to understand that u read the bible in spanish, and I'm translating)
If I read the bible literally in all its senses ofcourse I would like to get rid of that book.
THE BIBLE IS THE ONLY BOOK IN WORLD HISTORY THAT UPDATES ITSELF ON A DAILY BASIS, AND IN A PERSON BY PERSON BASE.

sorry for the typos

I agree parts of the Bible contain timeless wisdom, with new lessons as we grow.

Ditto Bhagavad Gita (sp?).

Now where's my pink sheets?

Thanks Abra, I'm fine with being a pauper: laugh:

There's an idea, Olympic government... no professional politicians; if we're sticking with democracy, I think I'd like to see lawyers relegated to advisory positions while only Joe Blow can hold public office.


I like this thread, coming together to fix the world's problems...


I vote Abra for bringing sexy back.

...And I like what KLC said.

WOW - Transientmind - YOU GOT IT.

""I'd like to get a group of well-meaning, well-funded individuals (hey, it could happen) and start a center for research and development in an out of the way area...

-A place where no combustion engines are allowed, so practical alternative fuels are required. ...No copping out with the donkey carts...
-Natural cures are researched by scientists who AREN'T funded by pharmaceutical companies...
-Organic gardening is developed, which is more effecient (better yield) and environmentally friendly.
-Businesses compete for civic and charitable recognition to lower their taxes. (Sponsored roadways, homeless shelters/rehab centers and foreign aid/emergency services.)

Basically an example, a place to make stewardship cool and profitable. ""

I was thinking about THIS BIG PICTURE that Abra, and all of us, want to change. But I was doing what everyone else is doing, thinkg about changing the WHOLE PICTURE.

Here we are in a world where so many countries are ruled by so many different methods. How do we incorporate all this diversity, accept it, and progress as a species?

The United States has grown by being one of the world leaders in many areas. When it came to hands on, ingenuity in develpment, economic growth we were there in the forfront. But where to go now. Farming is now businss, Railroads are barely even seen anymore, we've outsourced our manual labor, what was once the industrial revelution, was replaced by technology, which is being replace by marketing, financial industries and outsourcing is making old news of the middle class ...

so as Abra said "What to do?"


Transientmind, has seen the foundation of a new revelution, a new direction for the United States. One piece of the whole puzzle, a piecs that has led the world for over 200 hundred years. We have the opportunity to reshape who we are and how we affect the world.

We've already got the design started. Per Transient read:
""Businesses compete for civic and charitable recognition to lower their taxes. (Sponsored roadways, homeless shelters/rehab centers and foreign aid/emergency services.)""

This is a part of the reqirement for large business in the U.S. - they must include an ethical mission statment, accepting a social responsibility for the communitiy and the environments.

THEY ARE DOING this in the multi million dollar range. What if we utilize all those efforts and funds, and combine them with our TAX DOLLARS and make this country about

Research and Development with a social commitment to the world and it's environment. An entire country whose economy revolves around accepting diversity, developing science, for social and environmental needs. Providing AID where and when it's needed, inviting (once again) those minds who most want to contribute the science that will help everyone.

As Lee/Jess points out - LEAD BY EXAMPLE. Promote international commerace by providing assistance to any government with regards to health and welbeing.

JUST A THOUGHT - just a dream, But didn't King and Kennedy have dreams too?