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Topic: God and Science Merge
tutherguy's photo
Fri 10/23/15 02:42 PM
many people don't know that recently thousands of scientists have decided that there has to be a God. here is my explanation because often the explanations are just to complex for people to wade through. mine isn't simple but it is reasonable:
einstein determined and many have proven that matter and velocity (speed) are not seperate things. if matter gets to a certain speed if becomes energy. to einstein it seemed to become all of the energy there is. also, as the same speed is approached time becomes entirely variable. it slows down the closer to that speed you get. there are several reasons that is important to us. this is the one i am talking about here: if there is a god (and many scientists now believe there is) then God can obviously go at any speed he wants to. he can also take anything with him he wants to, being a god. this forces us all to accept that the idea of 7 days can truly and accurate be described as whatever period of time God wants it to be. this is no longer a guess. this has been studied and proven many many times by many many people in many many places. it is just plain fact to every scientist and scholar on earth now. this means that God saying he created the earth in 7 days is not actually what many have thought it meant. he could very well have been going exactly the correct speed for it to actually and accurately 200 million years to us. you see, if God is going that speed and we are not we experience it all completely differently and that both descriptions/views are completely true and accurate. so--the argument over the evolutionary time periods is just plain silly now. God doesn't just control things, he is also completely in charge of time and probably many things we humans are just starting to think exist. there is nothing to argue about anymore. that is just the way reality for us is now.

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 10/23/15 02:43 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 10/23/15 02:46 PM
why would "God" violate his own Laws?
Besides,how have those "Scientists" determined the "Existence" of God?
Scientific Process?
Majority-Vote?

mightymoe's photo
Fri 10/23/15 02:54 PM

why would "God" violate his own Laws?
Besides,how have those "Scientists" determined the "Existence" of God?
Scientific Process?
Majority-Vote?



mightymoe's photo
Fri 10/23/15 02:56 PM

Datwasntme's photo
Fri 10/23/15 04:20 PM
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called religion."

Datwasntme's photo
Fri 10/23/15 04:21 PM
and remember just a little ago people thought the world was flat
and that if you went past the speed of sound you would explode

i am still going under we are high tec cave men

Frankk1950's photo
Fri 10/23/15 08:18 PM
It doesn't make any difference to reality if every scientist in the world agrees /believes there is a god.
Nor does it make any difference to reality if every scientist in the world agrees/believes there is no god.

metalwing's photo
Fri 10/23/15 09:08 PM

"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called religion."



... or politics.spock

Gaminomicon's photo
Fri 10/23/15 11:48 PM
I'm an odd duck in this one. I've 'violated' two 'laws' of physics and am awaiting a patent on a device that will change the world, literally. I am not what you would call a traditional Christian by any means but despite my own accomplishments I still think the beginning of things, the absolute beginning, not just that of our universe, has to be beyond our mortal ability to understand or even conceive in imagination. For us I don't think there will ever be a simple answer to the question of how it all began and I doubt we'll ever evolve to a level where we could understand such answer even if it existed. I just don't think we come equipped with the right cogs and springs for our minds to hold an image of existence in its entirety. Maybe that's where God steps in, or maybe we created him to cope with our own lack of ability to understand the deeper mysteries of life. I believe though, that no matter how far in we look, we'll always find an intelligent pattern to the design of the most infinitely tiny particle that makes up all we can see.

Frankk1950's photo
Sat 10/24/15 12:37 AM

I'm an odd duck in this one. I've 'violated' two 'laws' of physics and am awaiting a patent on a device that will change the world, literally. I am not what you would call a traditional Christian by any means but despite my own accomplishments I still think the beginning of things, the absolute beginning, not just that of our universe, has to be beyond our mortal ability to understand or even conceive in imagination. For us I don't think there will ever be a simple answer to the question of how it all began and I doubt we'll ever evolve to a level where we could understand such answer even if it existed. I just don't think we come equipped with the right cogs and springs for our minds to hold an image of existence in its entirety. Maybe that's where God steps in, or maybe we created him to cope with our own lack of ability to understand the deeper mysteries of life. I believe though, that no matter how far in we look, we'll always find an intelligent pattern to the design of the most infinitely tiny particle that makes up all we can see.


Well said,and the maybe's are much easier to digest than dogma.:thumbsup:

metalwing's photo
Sat 10/24/15 01:17 AM
Usually, when one equates science and religion, there is a lack of understanding of both.

If one believes in God, there is no reason to think that science violates God's rules.

If one believes in science, there is no reason to think that both set of rules aren't the same.

The problem with the laws of science and the laws of God is that both are interpreted by man.

Frankk1950's photo
Sat 10/24/15 01:50 AM

Usually, when one equates science and religion, there is a lack of understanding of both.

If one believes in God, there is no reason to think that science violates God's rules.

If one believes in science, there is no reason to think that both set of rules aren't the same.

The problem with the laws of science and the laws of God is that both are interpreted by man.


Another well thought out post.

This is no good I can't find anyone to argue with drinks

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sun 11/01/15 07:18 AM
Logic is enough for me.

By definition, what is or is not real, isn't determined by plebiscite.


Conrad_73's photo
Sun 11/01/15 07:40 AM

I'm an odd duck in this one. I've 'violated' two 'laws' of physics and am awaiting a patent on a device that will change the world, literally. I am not what you would call a traditional Christian by any means but despite my own accomplishments I still think the beginning of things, the absolute beginning, not just that of our universe, has to be beyond our mortal ability to understand or even conceive in imagination. For us I don't think there will ever be a simple answer to the question of how it all began and I doubt we'll ever evolve to a level where we could understand such answer even if it existed. I just don't think we come equipped with the right cogs and springs for our minds to hold an image of existence in its entirety. Maybe that's where God steps in, or maybe we created him to cope with our own lack of ability to understand the deeper mysteries of life. I believe though, that no matter how far in we look, we'll always find an intelligent pattern to the design of the most infinitely tiny particle that makes up all we can see.

suppose you fill us in on that "Violation"just generally,without jeopardizing your Patent-Application?

no photo
Sun 11/01/15 07:45 AM
Einstein also theoretically proved that there is no future and there is no past. It all exists at the same time. So. Take ur proves and go to church they will agree with u there.

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 11/01/15 07:53 AM

Logic is enough for me.

By definition, what is or is not real, isn't determined by plebiscite.



Logic is useless unless it is based on Facts!

1onlyaname's photo
Sun 11/01/15 08:41 AM
Facts 1900 maybe 20% scientists believed there was a GOD 2015 66% believe there is a GOD. Who am I to argue with all those PHDs 32, 000 phds signed petition Global warming was a $50billion scam. What are facts in a world u can only preceive 1% of reality??

Tomishereagain's photo
Sun 11/01/15 09:40 AM
Delenn: We believe that the universe itself is conscious in a way that we can never truly understand. It is engaged in a search for meaning. So it breaks itself apart, investing its own consciousness in every form of life. We are the universe trying to understand itself.


Everything you have ever heard, learned or experienced is the Universe doing so. You are not separate from it.

if matter gets to a certain speed if becomes energy.

All matter is made of energy. Energy in serious abundance. The Atomic Bomb is a good example of this.

When nearing the speed of light, Relativity changes not time or matter.

If you consider that we are all part of the Universe and we are conscious then by normal sensibilities the Universe is conscious. If science could prove that the Universe is conscious as a whole and not by individual strands then the Universe might be considered God.

Until this is proven, my speculation is merely a Belief, but I don't require proof of something I believe. I see the complexity and try to understand it.

metalwing's photo
Sun 11/01/15 09:53 AM


I'm an odd duck in this one. I've 'violated' two 'laws' of physics and am awaiting a patent on a device that will change the world, literally. I am not what you would call a traditional Christian by any means but despite my own accomplishments I still think the beginning of things, the absolute beginning, not just that of our universe, has to be beyond our mortal ability to understand or even conceive in imagination. For us I don't think there will ever be a simple answer to the question of how it all began and I doubt we'll ever evolve to a level where we could understand such answer even if it existed. I just don't think we come equipped with the right cogs and springs for our minds to hold an image of existence in its entirety. Maybe that's where God steps in, or maybe we created him to cope with our own lack of ability to understand the deeper mysteries of life. I believe though, that no matter how far in we look, we'll always find an intelligent pattern to the design of the most infinitely tiny particle that makes up all we can see.

suppose you fill us in on that "Violation"just generally,without jeopardizing your Patent-Application?


Gee, I was going to post the exact same thing.laugh

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 11/01/15 10:10 AM



I'm an odd duck in this one. I've 'violated' two 'laws' of physics and am awaiting a patent on a device that will change the world, literally. I am not what you would call a traditional Christian by any means but despite my own accomplishments I still think the beginning of things, the absolute beginning, not just that of our universe, has to be beyond our mortal ability to understand or even conceive in imagination. For us I don't think there will ever be a simple answer to the question of how it all began and I doubt we'll ever evolve to a level where we could understand such answer even if it existed. I just don't think we come equipped with the right cogs and springs for our minds to hold an image of existence in its entirety. Maybe that's where God steps in, or maybe we created him to cope with our own lack of ability to understand the deeper mysteries of life. I believe though, that no matter how far in we look, we'll always find an intelligent pattern to the design of the most infinitely tiny particle that makes up all we can see.

suppose you fill us in on that "Violation"just generally,without jeopardizing your Patent-Application?


Gee, I was going to post the exact same thing.laugh
laugh :thumbsup:

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