http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyNS1PMHPqo&feature=player_detailpage

What we are taught in school as "historical fact" has long been whatever fits the agenda.

Freeing the slaves or granting them equality was never his intent. As a matter of fact nothing could be further from the truth

The Civil War was about State's rights and Federal control. The Slavery issue didn't even come into play until it was politically expedient later.

The "Union" controlled transportation and tariffs. The South produced cotton and other products that were being damaged by the transportation costs and tariffs controlled by the North. History is written by the winners. "The war to free the slaves" didn't exist.

What a quotation this is...!!! So simple n so realisitic....

So people should not blindly follow what they are taught in school...but blindly follow a youtube video linked to a dating site?


Great.
And Obamacare being a tax was never Obama's intent.
And if I created a youtube video focusing solely on things Obama said, and what people said about it, I could prove that Obamacare was never a tax.

And in 150 years or so some guy on a future dating site can link a youtube video focused solely on the supreme court and the IRS and show Obamacare was always a tax.

Youtube is not a reliable source of anything but entertainment.

Thankfully kids in school can't hand in a piece of paper with a youtube link written on it in lieu of a report.

Even Lincoln didn't believe the war was over slavery.

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.

Open letter from Abraham Lincoln to Horace Greeley; August 22, 1862

In September 1862, when the war 1½ years old, Lincoln issued the first version of the Emancipation Proclamation. This was an ultimatum. He threatened to free slaves in any state still rebelling against the Union. He gave a deadline of January 1863.

In January 1863, the ultimatum was put in effect. Slaves in Confederate held territory were declared free. The Union continued to enforce slave laws in five states and parts of two states; these states were in Union occupied areas.

The purpose of the Emancipation Proclamation was never to free slaves. It was designed as means to win the war. Lincoln wanted to disrupt the Southern economy, and raise new troops.

In September 1862, well over 100,000 soldiers were already dead. What did they fight and die for? If the South was fighting to preserve slavery, why didn't they declare victory after the ultimatum and go home?


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You've misunderstood what you describe.



Yes he did. There was no question of it. The seceding states proclaimed that they were doing so in order to preserve slavery.

What you have quoted and misunderstood, is that Lincoln intended to stop the dissolution of the Union no matter what. That was the point he was making, not that he wanted slavery to continue.

You are partly correct about the reason why the Proclamation was issued, but ONLY partially. Since slaves were prevented from knowing that it had been issued, it was hardly useful as a tool to encourage slave uprisings. The Confederacy sure didn't publish it, or allow any slaves to hear of it from them.

It was more to help sustain the North's will to continue the war. The reason why slaves were not freed in the areas already under Union control, was to avoid disruptions behind the lines.

Not sure what you are asking here:



Why didn't the SOUTH declare victory? They couldn't, since they were losing, and the Union armies would continue to fight them until the Union was restored, per Lincoln. Why didn't the NORTH declare victory? Because the South hadn't surrendered, and none of the states had rescinded their articles of secession.

Not sure what's your Point!

when I run, my intent isn't to sweat, but to stay fit

yet , sweat I do,,,,lol

sweating is just the means by which I do it,,,,

if the end result is met,,its a win win,,,

seriously, for the south to maintain their economy , slavery was PARAMOUNT

slavery was the means to THEIR ends and if their means were threatened, then so were their ends

the two cant be separated

it was about the south maintaining SLAVERY so they could maintain their economy,,,

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They didn't teach you this in school...

A published economist's comments on Abraham Lincoln...

"Lincoln was a master politician, which means he was a consummate conniver, manipulator, and liar." -- Economist Murray Rothbard, "America's Two Just Wars: 1776 and 1861," in "The Costs of War: American's Pyrrhic Victories," ed. John Denson (New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction, 1997), p. 131

The Editor of Ebony Magazine comments on Abraham Lincoln...

"On at least fourteen occasions between 1854 and 1860, Lincoln said unambiguously that he believed the Negro race was inferior to the White race. In Galesburg, he referred to 'the inferior races.' Who were 'the inferior races'? African Americans, he said, Mexicans, who he called 'mongrells," and probably all colored people." -- Lerone Bennett, Jr., Editor of Ebony Magazine, "Forced into Glory: Abraham Lincoln's White Dream" (Chicago: Johnson Publishing Co., 2000), p. 132

How Honest Abe really felt about slavery... which begs the question: Was the Civil War really fought because Honest Abe was sympathetic to slaves, and wanted to free slaves? Let's see what Honest Abe himself says about the subject...

"Negro equality? Fudge!" -- Abraham Lincoln, Fragments: Notes for Speeches, Sept. 1859 (Vol. III)

"If I could save The Union without freeing any slaves, I would do it" -- Abraham Lincoln, in a letter to Horace Greeley

"I am a little uneasy about the abolishment of slavery in this District [of Columbia]." -- Abraham Lincoln, 1862

"The whole nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these [new] territories. We want them for the homes of free white people." -- Abraham Lincoln, October 16, 1854

"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in the favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary." -- Abraham Lincoln, "Lincoln's Reply to Douglas, Ottawa, Illinois, August 21, 1858," in "Abraham Lincoln: His Speeches and Writings, ed. Roy P. Basler (New York: Da Capo Press, 1990), p. 445

"I will say, then, that I am not nor have ever been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races---that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with White people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the White and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the White race." -- Abraham Lincoln, "Fourth Lincoln-Douglas Debate, September 18, 1858, Charleston, Illinois," in "Abraham Lincoln: Speeches and Writings" (New York: Library of America, 1989), p. 636, and in Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Volume 5, page 371

"Free them, and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this.... We cannot, then, make them equals." -- Abraham Lincoln, "Lincoln's Reply to Douglas," p. 444

"What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races." -- Abraham Lincoln, Spoken at Springfield, Illinois on July 17th, 1858; from Abraham Lincoln: Complete Works, 1894, Volume 1, page 273

"We know that some Southern men do free their slaves, go North and become tip-top abolitionists, while some Northern Men go South and become most cruel masters. When Southern people tell us that they are no more responsible for the origin of slavery than we are, I acknowledge the fact. When it is said the institution exists, and it is very difficult to get rid of in any satisfactory way, I can understand and appreciate the saying. I surely will not blame them for not doing what I should not know what to do as to the existing institution. My first impulse would possibly be to free all slaves and send them to Liberia to their own native land. But a moment's reflection would convince me that this would not be best for them. If they were all landed there in a day they would all perish in the next ten days, and there is not surplus money enough to carry them there in many times ten days. What then? Free them all and keep them among us as underlings. Is it quite certain that this would alter their conditions? Free them and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this, and if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of whites will not. We cannot make them our equals. A system of gradual emancipation might well be adopted, and I will not undertake to judge our Southern friends for tardiness in this matter." -- Abraham Lincoln in speeches at Peoria, Illinois

"I acknowledge the constitutional rights of the States, not grudgingly, but fairly and fully, and I will give them any legislation for reclaiming their fugitive slaves." -- Abraham Lincoln in speeches at Peoria, Illinois

"The point the Republican party wanted to stress was to oppose making slave States out of the newly acquired territory, not abolishing slavery as it then existed. " -- Abraham Lincoln in a speech at Peoria, Illinois

"I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." Abraham Lincoln's Inaugural Address on the Capitol steps, 1861

"Do the people of the South really entertain fear that a Republican administration would directly or indirectly interfere with their slaves, or with them about their slaves? If they do, I wish to assure you as once a friend, and still, I hope, not an enemy, that there is no cause for such fears. The South would be in no more danger in this respect than it was in the days of Washington." -- Letter from Abraham Lincoln to A.H. Stephens, Public and Private Letters of Alexander Stephens, p. 150

"My paramount object, is to save the Union, and not either destroy or save slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing the slaves, I would do it. If I could save the Union by freeing some and leaving others in slavery, I would do it. If I could save it by freeing all, I would do that. What I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because it helps save the Union." -- Abraham Lincoln in a letter to Horace Greeley

"Judge Douglas has said to you that he has not been able to get an answer out of me to the question whether I am in favor of Negro citizenship. So far as I know, the Judge never asked me the question before. (applause from audience) He shall have no occasion to ever ask it again, for I tell him very frankly that I am not in favor of Negro citizenship. (renewed applause) If the state of Illinois has the power to grant Negroes citizenship, I shall be opposed to it. (cries of "here, here" and "good, good" from audience) That is all I have to say." -- Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Springfield, Illinois, June 1857

"You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffers very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence.... It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated." -- Abraham Lincoln, speech to a group of black freedmen in Washington D.C., August 1862

Mr. Wendell Phillips said that Lincoln was badgered into issuing the emancipation proclamation, and that after it was issued, Lincoln said it was the greatest folly of his life. President Lincoln in his Emancipation Proclamation evidently had in mind to colonize or segregate the slaves if freed:

"Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks conginue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man." -- Abraham Lincoln, in a 24-page printed pamphlet in May 1861 to Reverend James Mitchell

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Its not politically incorrect to include more pieces to the WHOLE puzzle,,

problem is , we get only bits at a time instead of all at once,, so that one side or the other dominates as the point

and kind of like Lincoln said,, the writer usually chooses the side that favors THEIR perceptions

,,,human nature,,,and Abe was human too,, but evolved, and learned, and grew with time

as I should hope we all do over our lives,,

i think the point is that he's really smart...

and showing he hasn't read the damn Articles!

Actually, pointing out that YOU haven't read or understood what you yourself have been quoting.

And I am really smart, but only people who think like ten year olds think that's pertinent to any discussion.

Bottom line, there's no way to claim that the Confederacy wasn't all about fighting for slavery, without lying.

Understanding the reasoning behind how various politicians of the time dealt with various issues (i.e. why they said exactly whatever they said at the time), requires actual research, a lot of it, and real work, not impeded by your own prejudices. No evidence here that you've done any of that.

i told you he was smart!...

Im bored enough to be browsing memes,,,at least until Im motivated to run todays errands,,lol

anyway,, this one seems fitting

the blacks are the ones not letting this happen...

'the blacks' are the ones pointing out that it isn't happening

,,and 'the whites' are too, and 'the yellows' and 'the reds',, and anyone with the gift of perception