Topic: NYPD re-evaluates it's "stop and frisk"
mightymoe's photo
Fri 10/02/15 09:36 AM
The NYPD has formally introduced the "receipt" cops will now be required to issue to anyone they question during street stops, the Daily News has learned.

Patrick Lynch, head of the largest NYPD union, the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, called the new paperwork "another nail in the coffin of proactive policing" and predicted a rise in retaliatory complaints against cops."Instead of improving community relations, these receipts will accelerate an increase in crime and disorder, which will damage the city's economic health while hurting those crime-ridden communities who need our protection the most," Lynch said.

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New stop-and-frisk form given to non-arrested persons questioned by police.
The "What Is A Stop?" slip will go to those stopped but not arrested. It requires officers to give their name and check one or more of six factors that led to the stop, such as a person being near a crime scene or matching a suspect's description.

The form also explains the legal authority officers have to conduct stops in the first place.

In addition, a Sept. 21 internal NYPD order underscores that two factors police were previously able to cite — a suspect making a furtive movement or being in a high crime area — are not cause enough for a stop.

And in the strongest acknowledgment that racial profiling is a problem, the order says people can't be stopped "because they are members of a racial or ethnic group that appears more frequently in local crime suspect data."

Critics have said too many innocent minority men were stopped because they live in a rough area, and that furtive movements as a rationale became a catchall when cops couldn't come up with a legitimate reason.

Christopher Dunn, associate legal director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, called the changes "important first steps in reducing illegal and discriminatory stops, while the new receipt will improve accountability and hopefully de-escalate tensions."

Street stops reached a record high of nearly 700,000 in 2011 but are on a pace for about 42,000 this year.

Comment: Whatever "form" the reform takes, de-escalating racial profiling has to be an improvement. 700K/year to 42K/year...along with accountability, that looks like an improvement.

mikeybgood1's photo
Fri 10/02/15 10:33 AM
Actually if you wanted the system to have some incentive for people, there should be a carbon copy for a clerk at the NYPD to put on computer. Once you've been stopped say 5 times, you get a lottery ticket, 10 times you get say 5 lottery tickets.

Maybe the city can swing a deal that people with 5, 10, 20 slips get a traffic ticket squashed or a gift certificate to Wal-Mart or Home Depot.

You may not like it that the cops stopped you, but you could hit the jackpot on a lottery ticket or get some free building supplies to fix up your house or apartment.

The city can manage the number of stops with a daily 'budget' for these interactions and there is no 'free for all' mentality amongst the cops because they know the stops have to be meaningful as there is a cost involved.

mightymoe's photo
Fri 10/02/15 10:35 AM

Actually if you wanted the system to have some incentive for people, there should be a carbon copy for a clerk at the NYPD to put on computer. Once you've been stopped say 5 times, you get a lottery ticket, 10 times you get say 5 lottery tickets.

Maybe the city can swing a deal that people with 5, 10, 20 slips get a traffic ticket squashed or a gift certificate to Wal-Mart or Home Depot.

You may not like it that the cops stopped you, but you could hit the jackpot on a lottery ticket or get some free building supplies to fix up your house or apartment.

The city can manage the number of stops with a daily 'budget' for these interactions and there is no 'free for all' mentality amongst the cops because they know the stops have to be meaningful as there is a cost involved.


lol, this is the city that outlawed "big gulps"... i really don't see that happening, the liberals just aren't like that... good idea in my opinion, though...

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 10/02/15 10:37 AM
Either way, with or without a "form", what part of the 4th amendment is it they don't get?

mightymoe's photo
Fri 10/02/15 10:39 AM

Either way, with or without a "form", what part of the 4th amendment is it they don't get?


umm...lol, what part of liberals do you not get? laugh laugh laugh

i thought we all new that it is just a "guideline" to the liberals...

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 10/02/15 10:42 AM
Defining a liberal is one of the mysteries of the universe...... there is no logic

mightymoe's photo
Fri 10/02/15 10:52 AM

Defining a liberal is one of the mysteries of the universe...... there is no logic


lol.. it is a mystery...

Argo's photo
Fri 10/02/15 11:39 AM
What is a Stop ?...........that's a good question

see that black guy over there on the cell phone ?
he matches the description of our suspect to a T.....lets go question him....

after being uncuffed and helped up from the concrete he was slammed down on...
James Blake gets a "we're sorry, wrong guy" and a receipt for having his civil rights
violated...

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/02/15 11:57 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 10/02/15 11:58 AM

What is a Stop ?...........that's a good question

see that black guy over there on the cell phone ?
he matches the description of our suspect to a T.....lets go question him....

after being uncuffed and helped up from the concrete he was slammed down on...
James Blake gets a "we're sorry, wrong guy" and a receipt for having his civil rights
violated...


about four of the six things are things that are going to be easy excuses for stopping the impoverished(who live in areas of high crime) and black males (matching the description..lol or looking about )


are 'about to commit a crime'...really?

are we on our way to minority report security now,,,,,?

mightymoe's photo
Fri 10/02/15 12:04 PM


What is a Stop ?...........that's a good question

see that black guy over there on the cell phone ?
he matches the description of our suspect to a T.....lets go question him....

after being uncuffed and helped up from the concrete he was slammed down on...
James Blake gets a "we're sorry, wrong guy" and a receipt for having his civil rights
violated...


about four of the six things are things that are going to be easy excuses for stopping the impoverished(who live in areas of high crime) and black males (matching the description..lol or looking about )


are 'about to commit a crime'...really?

are we on our way to minority report security now,,,,,?


lol... Hitachi invented that now, it's a reality...
http://www.rt.com/news/317018-hitachi-crime-prevention-technology/