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devildog123 Joined Mon 09/08/14 Posts: 3902	Fri 11/27/15 09:59 PM Edited by devildog123 on Fri 11/27/15 10:31 PM
http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/ Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims. those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year? According to University of Minnesota Professor Keith Mayes, the author of Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition, the popularity within the US has "leveled off" as the black power movement there has declined, and now between half and two million people celebrate Kwanzaa in the US, or between one and five percent of African Americans ___________________________________________________________________ Between 1% - 5%??.. it doesn't seem to be too popular within the black community anymore. Seems like a lot of blacks lost interest in the own " holiday" and heritage What's up with that?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Fri 11/27/15 11:46 PM Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 11/27/15 11:53 PM
http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/ Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims. those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year? It's actually just the good Professor's very own,private,Brainfart! excerpt from the Article: It wasn’t mere assault Karenga was convicted of, either. It was the sexual assault and even torture that he perpetrated against some of his own female followers. At the time, The L.A. Times reported that he placed a hot soldering iron in one woman’s mouth and used a vise to crush another’s toe, of all things. As writer Lynn Woolley wrote of Professor Karenga: And so this is Kwanzaa. The militant past of the creator is now ignored in favor of the so-called seven principles of Nguza Saba, principles such as unity, family and self-determination that could have come from Bill Bennett’s Book of Virtues. The word “Kwanzaa” is Swahili, meaning something like “fresh fruits of harvest.” No one remembers the part about “re-Africanization” or the sevenfold path of blackness that Dr. Karenga once espoused. Hardly anyone remembers the shootings, the beatings, the tortures and the prison terms that were once the center of his life. It’s just not PC to bring that sort of stuff up now that Kwanzaa is commercialized and making big bucks. But, Casimir offers us Karenga’s prattle anyway, treating it as the advice of a sage: “As part of the black freedom movement, we were using this to return to our history and culture,” Karenga said. He spoke to a crowd of about 100 people ” young and old ” at the Third Ward community center, headed by Deloyd Parker, an avid promoter of Kwanzaa’s Afrocentric traditions and beliefs. “We have to wake up that history, we have to remember ourselves in a more expansive way,” Karenga said. “To liberate ourselves as ghetto dwellers.” In a day when the black middle class numbers in the millions and when more whites than blacks voted for a black man for president, for “Karenga” to claim that blacks are still relegated to the “ghettos” smacks of race baiting and trying to “keep hope alive” so that he can continue to cause hatred between whites and blacks. And each year the Old Media is all too happy to assist him in his faux “holiday” endeavor. Happy Kwanzaa, indeed! But maybe not everyone is fooled by a faux holiday created by a criminal? Last year, for instance, Kalamazoo, Michigan decided to dispense with its public Kwanzaa celebration. In fact, few cities worry over much about this holiday these days, though some still do. Even some African Americans are not fooled into accepting Kwanzaa. As Jenice Armstrong from Philadelphia wrote in 2010, the “truth is that Kwanzaa has never caught on with the majority of black Americans.” Of course if it wasn’t for an Old Media establishment that has given Karenga’s criminality a wholesale whitewashing, this faux holiday could never have gained as little traction it has. Put it this way; imagine if famed Ku Klux Klan member David Duke had created a holiday. Do you think the Old Media would have happily sold his creation to a misinformed public without mentioning Duke’s personal history? Not a chance, and rightfully so.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 11/28/15 12:27 AM
http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/ Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims. those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year? According to University of Minnesota Professor Keith Mayes, the author of Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition, the popularity within the US has "leveled off" as the black power movement there has declined, and now between half and two million people celebrate Kwanzaa in the US, or between one and five percent of African Americans ___________________________________________________________________ Between 1% - 5%??.. it doesn't seem to be too popular within the black community anymore. Seems like a lot of blacks lost interest in the own " holiday" and heritage What's up with that? alot of blacks are fully indoctrinated in western culture and traditions and there is no commercialism in Kwanzaa,, to appeal to them,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 11/28/15 12:40 AM Edited by msharmony on Sat 11/28/15 12:45 AM
http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/ Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims. those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year? It's actually just the good Professor's very own,private,Brainfart! excerpt from the Article: It wasn’t mere assault Karenga was convicted of, either. It was the sexual assault and even torture that he perpetrated against some of his own female followers. At the time, The L.A. Times reported that he placed a hot soldering iron in one woman’s mouth and used a vise to crush another’s toe, of all things. As writer Lynn Woolley wrote of Professor Karenga: And so this is Kwanzaa. The militant past of the creator is now ignored in favor of the so-called seven principles of Nguza Saba, principles such as unity, family and self-determination that could have come from Bill Bennett’s Book of Virtues. The word “Kwanzaa” is Swahili, meaning something like “fresh fruits of harvest.” No one remembers the part about “re-Africanization” or the sevenfold path of blackness that Dr. Karenga once espoused. Hardly anyone remembers the shootings, the beatings, the tortures and the prison terms that were once the center of his life. It’s just not PC to bring that sort of stuff up now that Kwanzaa is commercialized and making big bucks. But, Casimir offers us Karenga’s prattle anyway, treating it as the advice of a sage: “As part of the black freedom movement, we were using this to return to our history and culture,” Karenga said. He spoke to a crowd of about 100 people ” young and old ” at the Third Ward community center, headed by Deloyd Parker, an avid promoter of Kwanzaa’s Afrocentric traditions and beliefs. “We have to wake up that history, we have to remember ourselves in a more expansive way,” Karenga said. “To liberate ourselves as ghetto dwellers.” In a day when the black middle class numbers in the millions and when more whites than blacks voted for a black man for president, for “Karenga” to claim that blacks are still relegated to the “ghettos” smacks of race baiting and trying to “keep hope alive” so that he can continue to cause hatred between whites and blacks. And each year the Old Media is all too happy to assist him in his faux “holiday” endeavor. Happy Kwanzaa, indeed! But maybe not everyone is fooled by a faux holiday created by a criminal? Last year, for instance, Kalamazoo, Michigan decided to dispense with its public Kwanzaa celebration. In fact, few cities worry over much about this holiday these days, though some still do. Even some African Americans are not fooled into accepting Kwanzaa. As Jenice Armstrong from Philadelphia wrote in 2010, the “truth is that Kwanzaa has never caught on with the majority of black Americans.” Of course if it wasn’t for an Old Media establishment that has given Karenga’s criminality a wholesale whitewashing, this faux holiday could never have gained as little traction it has. Put it this way; imagine if famed Ku Klux Klan member David Duke had created a holiday. Do you think the Old Media would have happily sold his creation to a misinformed public without mentioning Duke’s personal history? Not a chance, and rightfully so. well if a white texan radiocaster says so,,,lol particularly love the 'something like'(doenst even care enough to research an interpretation) the holiday is not called 'Karengas' day and noone but race baiters wish to reposition the holiday to make it seem like it is or should be a celebration of an individual instead of a celebration of principles oh , and I also love how we use the 'raw numbers'(of which whites in america have in a ratio of 6:1) to make some point trying to dispute whether blacks are in ghettos,,,,and how stating so is 'race baiting',but sneaking the topic of ghettos in a discussion of Kwanzaa is apparently not,,,,lol,,, but, same old tricks of lame reporting,,,,and bias most curiously, why would anyone CARE to try to berate a holiday that celebrates principles? I mean independence day is to celebrate 'independence' even for americans whose ancestors continued to have none on that day and were even OWNED by many of the same founders who declared the independence....

devildog123 Joined Mon 09/08/14 Posts: 3902	Sat 11/28/15 12:42 AM
A May 14, 1971, article in the Los Angeles Times described the testimony of one of them: "Deborah Jones, who once was given the Swahili title of an African queen, said she and Gail Davis were whipped with an electrical cord and beaten with a karate baton after being ordered to remove their clothes. She testified that a hot soldering iron was placed in Miss Davis' mouth and placed against Miss Davis' face and that one of her own big toes was tightened in a vise. Karenga, head of US, also put detergent and running hoses in their mouths, she said." ----------------------------------------------------------------- WOW!!! and I thought it was bad to get coal in my stocking!!... thanks away, I'll stick to St. Nick

devildog123 Joined Mon 09/08/14 Posts: 3902	Sat 11/28/15 12:59 AM
http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/ Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims. those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year? According to University of Minnesota Professor Keith Mayes, the author of Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition, the popularity within the US has "leveled off" as the black power movement there has declined, and now between half and two million people celebrate Kwanzaa in the US, or between one and five percent of African Americans ___________________________________________________________________ Between 1% - 5%??.. it doesn't seem to be too popular within the black community anymore. Seems like a lot of blacks lost interest in the own " holiday" and heritage What's up with that? alot of blacks are fully indoctrinated in western culture and traditions and there is no commercialism in Kwanzaa,, to appeal to them,, Oh. o.k...so in other words.. 95% of blacks could care less about this " holiday", right? But it is appealing to those 5% who are still stuck in the 60's.. well I guess we had Patty Hurst so we really can't say much.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 11/28/15 01:03 AM
http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/ Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims. those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year? According to University of Minnesota Professor Keith Mayes, the author of Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition, the popularity within the US has "leveled off" as the black power movement there has declined, and now between half and two million people celebrate Kwanzaa in the US, or between one and five percent of African Americans ___________________________________________________________________ Between 1% - 5%??.. it doesn't seem to be too popular within the black community anymore. Seems like a lot of blacks lost interest in the own " holiday" and heritage What's up with that? alot of blacks are fully indoctrinated in western culture and traditions and there is no commercialism in Kwanzaa,, to appeal to them,, Oh. o.k...so in other words.. 95% of blacks could care less about this " holiday", right? But it is appealing to those 5% who are still stuck in the 60's.. well I guess we had Patty Hurst so we really can't say much. actually that would be false logic 95 percent are a combination of those who know nothing about it(I suspect most of that 95 percent) and those who know but dont care it is appealing to those who wish to celebrate some of the culture of their ancestors,,,,,,

devildog123 Joined Mon 09/08/14 Posts: 3902	Sat 11/28/15 01:39 AM
http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/ Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims. those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year? According to University of Minnesota Professor Keith Mayes, the author of Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition, the popularity within the US has "leveled off" as the black power movement there has declined, and now between half and two million people celebrate Kwanzaa in the US, or between one and five percent of African Americans ___________________________________________________________________ Between 1% - 5%??.. it doesn't seem to be too popular within the black community anymore. Seems like a lot of blacks lost interest in the own " holiday" and heritage What's up with that? alot of blacks are fully indoctrinated in western culture and traditions and there is no commercialism in Kwanzaa,, to appeal to them,, Oh. o.k...so in other words.. 95% of blacks could care less about this " holiday", right? But it is appealing to those 5% who are still stuck in the 60's.. well I guess we had Patty Hurst so we really can't say much. actually that would be false logic 95 percent are a combination of those who know nothing about it(I suspect most of that 95 percent) and those who know but dont care it is appealing to those who wish to celebrate some of the culture of their ancestors,,,,,, Really?.. you suspect.. and how do you come up with that number.. "most of that 95%".. based on what?.. other then " you suspect".. I mean.. you know about it right?.. I know about it. Does 9 out of 10 of your family and friends not know of Kwanzaa? Did anyone come on this tread and say " what's Kwanzaa"?, It is a widely know term. Mentioned in schooling, holiday T.V greetings, ect, ect..in all the PC places for years. But you are saying that most of the 95% of black people know nothing about this black " holiday" and only a small percentage don't care.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 11/28/15 02:00 AM
http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/ Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims. those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year? According to University of Minnesota Professor Keith Mayes, the author of Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition, the popularity within the US has "leveled off" as the black power movement there has declined, and now between half and two million people celebrate Kwanzaa in the US, or between one and five percent of African Americans ___________________________________________________________________ Between 1% - 5%??.. it doesn't seem to be too popular within the black community anymore. Seems like a lot of blacks lost interest in the own " holiday" and heritage What's up with that? alot of blacks are fully indoctrinated in western culture and traditions and there is no commercialism in Kwanzaa,, to appeal to them,, Oh. o.k...so in other words.. 95% of blacks could care less about this " holiday", right? But it is appealing to those 5% who are still stuck in the 60's.. well I guess we had Patty Hurst so we really can't say much. actually that would be false logic 95 percent are a combination of those who know nothing about it(I suspect most of that 95 percent) and those who know but dont care it is appealing to those who wish to celebrate some of the culture of their ancestors,,,,,, Really?.. you suspect.. and how do you come up with that number.. "most of that 95%".. based on what?.. other then " you suspect".. I mean.. you know about it right?.. I know about it. Does 9 out of 10 of your family and friends not know of Kwanzaa? Did anyone come on this tread and say " what's Kwanzaa"?, It is a widely know term. Mentioned in schooling, holiday T.V greetings, ect, ect..in all the PC places for years. But you are saying that most of the 95% of black people know nothing about this black " holiday" and only a small percentage don't care. I know it the same others know that they 'dont care' about it made that pretty clear and yes, I suspect a majority in the last couple decades have no idea what kwanzaa is and the minority that do have a large portion that dont care,,

devildog123 Joined Mon 09/08/14 Posts: 3902	Sat 11/28/15 02:16 AM
http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/ Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims. those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year? According to University of Minnesota Professor Keith Mayes, the author of Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition, the popularity within the US has "leveled off" as the black power movement there has declined, and now between half and two million people celebrate Kwanzaa in the US, or between one and five percent of African Americans ___________________________________________________________________ Between 1% - 5%??.. it doesn't seem to be too popular within the black community anymore. Seems like a lot of blacks lost interest in the own " holiday" and heritage What's up with that? alot of blacks are fully indoctrinated in western culture and traditions and there is no commercialism in Kwanzaa,, to appeal to them,, Oh. o.k...so in other words.. 95% of blacks could care less about this " holiday", right? But it is appealing to those 5% who are still stuck in the 60's.. well I guess we had Patty Hurst so we really can't say much. actually that would be false logic 95 percent are a combination of those who know nothing about it(I suspect most of that 95 percent) and those who know but dont care it is appealing to those who wish to celebrate some of the culture of their ancestors,,,,,, Really?.. you suspect.. and how do you come up with that number.. "most of that 95%".. based on what?.. other then " you suspect".. I mean.. you know about it right?.. I know about it. Does 9 out of 10 of your family and friends not know of Kwanzaa? Did anyone come on this tread and say " what's Kwanzaa"?, It is a widely know term. Mentioned in schooling, holiday T.V greetings, ect, ect..in all the PC places for years. But you are saying that most of the 95% of black people know nothing about this black " holiday" and only a small percentage don't care. I know it the same others know that they 'dont care' about it made that pretty clear and yes, I suspect a majority in the last couple decades have no idea what kwanzaa is and the minority that do have a large portion that dont care,, Well, since were just "suspecting" then I suspect that the 95% of blacks know about Kwanzaa and don't care about Kwanzaa, because they know it to be a BS made up holiday designed by the folks from the X generation. which they have nothing in common with.. thus no interst.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 11/28/15 02:32 AM
http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/ Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims. those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year? According to University of Minnesota Professor Keith Mayes, the author of Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition, the popularity within the US has "leveled off" as the black power movement there has declined, and now between half and two million people celebrate Kwanzaa in the US, or between one and five percent of African Americans ___________________________________________________________________ Between 1% - 5%??.. it doesn't seem to be too popular within the black community anymore. Seems like a lot of blacks lost interest in the own " holiday" and heritage What's up with that? alot of blacks are fully indoctrinated in western culture and traditions and there is no commercialism in Kwanzaa,, to appeal to them,, Oh. o.k...so in other words.. 95% of blacks could care less about this " holiday", right? But it is appealing to those 5% who are still stuck in the 60's.. well I guess we had Patty Hurst so we really can't say much. actually that would be false logic 95 percent are a combination of those who know nothing about it(I suspect most of that 95 percent) and those who know but dont care it is appealing to those who wish to celebrate some of the culture of their ancestors,,,,,, Really?.. you suspect.. and how do you come up with that number.. "most of that 95%".. based on what?.. other then " you suspect".. I mean.. you know about it right?.. I know about it. Does 9 out of 10 of your family and friends not know of Kwanzaa? Did anyone come on this tread and say " what's Kwanzaa"?, It is a widely know term. Mentioned in schooling, holiday T.V greetings, ect, ect..in all the PC places for years. But you are saying that most of the 95% of black people know nothing about this black " holiday" and only a small percentage don't care. I know it the same others know that they 'dont care' about it made that pretty clear and yes, I suspect a majority in the last couple decades have no idea what kwanzaa is and the minority that do have a large portion that dont care,, Well, since were just "suspecting" then I suspect that the 95% of blacks know about Kwanzaa and don't care about Kwanzaa, because they know it to be a BS made up holiday designed by the folks from the X generation. which they have nothing in common with.. thus no interst. well we believe what we want to of course, I am a black person in a black family with black kids attending public schools they arent teaching about Kwanzaa except in passing, not that I would ever expect mainstream to have any positive imagery or promotion of african traditions,,, this, like most 'black' history is something passed down within black families mostly and after many 'fell for' the idea that equality had been achieved in the sixties and seventies,, they chose to assimilate as a show of prosperity and shed any 'african' tradition,,,

devildog123 Joined Mon 09/08/14 Posts: 3902	Sat 11/28/15 02:56 AM
http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/ Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims. those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year? According to University of Minnesota Professor Keith Mayes, the author of Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition, the popularity within the US has "leveled off" as the black power movement there has declined, and now between half and two million people celebrate Kwanzaa in the US, or between one and five percent of African Americans ___________________________________________________________________ Between 1% - 5%??.. it doesn't seem to be too popular within the black community anymore. Seems like a lot of blacks lost interest in the own " holiday" and heritage What's up with that? alot of blacks are fully indoctrinated in western culture and traditions and there is no commercialism in Kwanzaa,, to appeal to them,, Oh. o.k...so in other words.. 95% of blacks could care less about this " holiday", right? But it is appealing to those 5% who are still stuck in the 60's.. well I guess we had Patty Hurst so we really can't say much. actually that would be false logic 95 percent are a combination of those who know nothing about it(I suspect most of that 95 percent) and those who know but dont care it is appealing to those who wish to celebrate some of the culture of their ancestors,,,,,, Really?.. you suspect.. and how do you come up with that number.. "most of that 95%".. based on what?.. other then " you suspect".. I mean.. you know about it right?.. I know about it. Does 9 out of 10 of your family and friends not know of Kwanzaa? Did anyone come on this tread and say " what's Kwanzaa"?, It is a widely know term. Mentioned in schooling, holiday T.V greetings, ect, ect..in all the PC places for years. But you are saying that most of the 95% of black people know nothing about this black " holiday" and only a small percentage don't care. I know it the same others know that they 'dont care' about it made that pretty clear and yes, I suspect a majority in the last couple decades have no idea what kwanzaa is and the minority that do have a large portion that dont care,, Well, since were just "suspecting" then I suspect that the 95% of blacks know about Kwanzaa and don't care about Kwanzaa, because they know it to be a BS made up holiday designed by the folks from the X generation. which they have nothing in common with.. thus no interst. well we believe what we want to of course, I am a black person in a black family with black kids attending public schools they arent teaching about Kwanzaa except in passing, not that I would ever expect mainstream to have any positive imagery or promotion of african traditions,,, this, like most 'black' history is something passed down within black families mostly and after many 'fell for' the idea that equality had been achieved in the sixties and seventies,, they chose to assimilate as a show of prosperity and shed any 'african' tradition,,, Well.. who knows, maybe timing had a lot to do with it to. You know, first the "holiday" is manufactured, then "bam!", were all hit with the Ebonics thing.. make a holiday and here's a new language.. learn them!.. bit much..I think even for the black folk.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 11/28/15 03:04 AM
http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/ Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims. those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year? According to University of Minnesota Professor Keith Mayes, the author of Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition, the popularity within the US has "leveled off" as the black power movement there has declined, and now between half and two million people celebrate Kwanzaa in the US, or between one and five percent of African Americans ___________________________________________________________________ Between 1% - 5%??.. it doesn't seem to be too popular within the black community anymore. Seems like a lot of blacks lost interest in the own " holiday" and heritage What's up with that? alot of blacks are fully indoctrinated in western culture and traditions and there is no commercialism in Kwanzaa,, to appeal to them,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 11/28/15 03:57 AM
I know 'western culture' seems like such an oxymoron,,,,lol but those alleged 'american concepts' meritocracy justice personal value = net value of earned income, inheritance, or investments,, many bought into them and traded them for values of family and community first,,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 11/28/15 04:01 AM Edited by msharmony on Sat 11/28/15 04:03 AM
http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/ Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims. those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year? According to University of Minnesota Professor Keith Mayes, the author of Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition, the popularity within the US has "leveled off" as the black power movement there has declined, and now between half and two million people celebrate Kwanzaa in the US, or between one and five percent of African Americans ___________________________________________________________________ Between 1% - 5%??.. it doesn't seem to be too popular within the black community anymore. Seems like a lot of blacks lost interest in the own " holiday" and heritage What's up with that? alot of blacks are fully indoctrinated in western culture and traditions and there is no commercialism in Kwanzaa,, to appeal to them,, Oh. o.k...so in other words.. 95% of blacks could care less about this " holiday", right? But it is appealing to those 5% who are still stuck in the 60's.. well I guess we had Patty Hurst so we really can't say much. actually that would be false logic 95 percent are a combination of those who know nothing about it(I suspect most of that 95 percent) and those who know but dont care it is appealing to those who wish to celebrate some of the culture of their ancestors,,,,,, Really?.. you suspect.. and how do you come up with that number.. "most of that 95%".. based on what?.. other then " you suspect".. I mean.. you know about it right?.. I know about it. Does 9 out of 10 of your family and friends not know of Kwanzaa? Did anyone come on this tread and say " what's Kwanzaa"?, It is a widely know term. Mentioned in schooling, holiday T.V greetings, ect, ect..in all the PC places for years. But you are saying that most of the 95% of black people know nothing about this black " holiday" and only a small percentage don't care. I know it the same others know that they 'dont care' about it made that pretty clear and yes, I suspect a majority in the last couple decades have no idea what kwanzaa is and the minority that do have a large portion that dont care,, Well, since were just "suspecting" then I suspect that the 95% of blacks know about Kwanzaa and don't care about Kwanzaa, because they know it to be a BS made up holiday designed by the folks from the X generation. which they have nothing in common with.. thus no interst. well we believe what we want to of course, I am a black person in a black family with black kids attending public schools they arent teaching about Kwanzaa except in passing, not that I would ever expect mainstream to have any positive imagery or promotion of african traditions,,, this, like most 'black' history is something passed down within black families mostly and after many 'fell for' the idea that equality had been achieved in the sixties and seventies,, they chose to assimilate as a show of prosperity and shed any 'african' tradition,,, Well.. who knows, maybe timing had a lot to do with it to. You know, first the "holiday" is manufactured, then "bam!", were all hit with the Ebonics thing.. make a holiday and here's a new language.. learn them!.. bit much..I think even for the black folk. that as well, african americans seperating themselves from their cultural history so they were more likely to be treated 'equal'(or so they thought) after the public showing of how those seeking change would be executed,, mlk, malcolm x, kennedy,,,etc,, etc and the evolution of actual physical execution to executing of character and reputation in the public eye,,, trying to cling to anything 'african' became seen as self opressing and isolating and confused as the reason for inequality, 'assimilating' into a culture where money became the almighty goal loaned quite a bit to how community and family fell further and further behind

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Sat 11/28/15 10:28 AM
http://www.publiusforum.com/2014/12/16/kwanzaa-scam-fake-holiday-created-racist-rapist-torturer/ Kwanzaa, the purported “African” holiday celebrated only in the United States, is the ultimate politically correct holiday. It is little observed, even by our own African American community, of course, but those that do celebrate it are wholly unaware that this faux holiday was created in 1965 by a man with a very troubled past. For Kwanzaa’s creator, Maulana Karenga, has a violent, racist criminal record, and is even a rapist who was convicted of torturing his victims. those who celebrate holidays dont celebrate their creators,, so why is something different expected for Kwanzaa,, what is the problem with recognizing the positive values that exist in African cultures when we are so inundated with everything NEGATIVE about it the rest of the year? According to University of Minnesota Professor Keith Mayes, the author of Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition, the popularity within the US has "leveled off" as the black power movement there has declined, and now between half and two million people celebrate Kwanzaa in the US, or between one and five percent of African Americans ___________________________________________________________________ Between 1% - 5%??.. it doesn't seem to be too popular within the black community anymore. Seems like a lot of blacks lost interest in the own " holiday" and heritage What's up with that? alot of blacks are fully indoctrinated in western culture and traditions and there is no commercialism in Kwanzaa,, to appeal to them,, They should have a "Black Kwanzaa Day" at all Walmart's for blacks only.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 11/28/15 10:30 AM
Who cares, what that pig rapin', racist Fairykan, thinks? Seriously. It just means more Hanukkah presents for me. I'm good with that. thats the ticket why worry so much about something you dont care to celebrate anyway,,,,

SassyEuro2 Joined Wed 04/29/15 Posts: 11102	Sat 11/28/15 10:32 AM Edited by SassyEuro2 on Sat 11/28/15 10:42 AM
What about Kwanzaa? kwanzaa isnt about a religion or religious figure Whew! I was worried there. no worries Alleoops. It is a segregated holiday for Africans and African despondence its no more segregated than 'independence day' or thanksgiving,, which had nothing to do with blacks, but are still celebrations all can participate in as a show of historical interest/respect/commemoration Independence day is for ALL Americans. Thanksgiving is a Christian Protestant holiday, derived from Judaism (Pre 1620, look it up, there are even many hymns for it) then you'll see WHY Obama wants to get rid of it ( Jehovah is being thanked.. ... Allah is not there... ) .And WHY the Reverend * cough * All Sharpton started this media propaganda crap of " Invite a Muslim To dinner ". They want people to believe it is secular. Maybe MSNBC & CNN & BCC should ask Muslims to invite Jews for holy days. How about Muhammad's birthday? Kwanzaa .. Is made up by a maniac & has nothing to do with Africa. Few Africa Americans will acknowledge it, because it is an embarrassment & most African Americans are Christian Protestants. * Thank you God.. Shout out, to the Southern Baptists & Southern Methodists * america didnt gain independence for ALL americans, so no, its not rooted in anything that included all americans thanksgiving in america is about pilgrims, and nothing religious, nothing having to do with christ or God inviting a muslim to dinner is about not isolating people and making them feel like part of a larger community again, like natives and pilgrims allegedly did and dinner is not secular, but thanksgiving is about 'americans', so including others embraces the 'thanksgiving' idea of sharing and oneness kwanzaa has everything to do with AFrican values, few caucasian americans will aknowledge it because it doenst follow the historical narrative of africans as mere sub human primitives,,, the same way 'all americans' can celebrate the day brits gained independence from britain, while enslaving africans and isolating natives 'all americans' can celebrate the positive concepts that existed in African cultures and 'all americans' can celebrate 'saints' on saint patricks day and 'all americans' can celebrate oktoberfest ,,and on, and on , and on,,, america didnt gain independence for ALL americans, so no, its not rooted in anything that included all americans. I never implied Thanksgiving was for all Americans. The government made it a national holiday for the (still existing Protestant majority) thanksgiving in america is about pilgrims, and nothing religious, nothing having to do with christ or God. SMFH..Again..that is your buddies talking & trying to remove Yahweh & Yehoshua * We all know how that will end * inviting a muslim to dinner is about not isolating people and making them feel like part of a larger community ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew New Years? * Good luck grasshopper .. Or plague of locusts* The ONLY all inclusive holiday is American Independence day. ANY Faith or ANY culture having their own is NOT exclusion. again, like natives and pilgrims allegedly did Allegedly is correct. The pilgrims would of all died if the OP's didn't show up & feed them. * More died the first winter than on the trip over, they were NOT a farming class of people & didn't know the terrain or plants & wildlife * and dinner is not secular, but thanksgiving is about 'americans', so including others embraces the 'thanksgiving' idea of sharing and oneness. If people want to bring in another Faith or Culture into their home with their family there are lots of non holidays to do that. kwanzaa has everything to do with AFrican values, few caucasian americans will aknowledge it because it doenst follow the historical narrative of africans as mere sub human primitives,,, Hater.. Hhaa.. " sub human primates"?. How old are you? Where did you find this time machine? Congrats on saying the most racist thing I ever heard. And God knows, I have heard a lot (in my over half a century). the same way 'all americans' can celebrate the day brits gained independence from britain, while enslaving africans and isolating natives. Hun? You didn't read any world history did you? But with this thinking you would love celebrating ' Cinco De Mayo ' ... on the deportation bus with them. BTW: ' Natives' do consider themselves Americans. Not only because they are the OP's, but because, unlike you, they wouldn't want to live anyplace else. 'all americans' can celebrate the positive concepts that existed in African culture We could, but why would an entire nation celebrate a illegitimate holiday for the 12%-16% of the pop.? Geez. There are far more people celebrating Passover. * Jews & Christians * * Passover is the only (non pagan) holiday in the Holy Bible * If you find a legitimate holiday for the ENTIRE Continent of Africa.. Go for it & enjoy. If not, pick a country & run with it. Or except being an American (if you actually are one) & stop whining or leave. and 'all americans' can celebrate 'saints' on saint patricks day Hhaa. that is RC saints & Celtic. Not Protestant saints.. You SHOULD know the difference. And why would all the other religions & cultures want anything to do with that? They have their own & a right to have them. and 'all americans' can celebrate oktoberfest Hhaa..that doesn't make sense. But yes many Americans celebrate that. Sorry for you if you feel 'left out'. Great party.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 11/28/15 10:39 AM
ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years? GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,, so why all the whinging about it?

SassyEuro2 Joined Wed 04/29/15 Posts: 11102	Sat 11/28/15 10:56 AM
ANY religion or culture can have a holiday that is THEIRS. Do you want to take the Chinese & Hebrew Years? GREAT so we agree, and black people can have their holidays too,,, so why all the whinging about it? Of course black people can have holidays. But NO group, no matter what kind, can CHANGE a holiday for another group or feel forced or obligated to include another or all groups or try to remove the holiday, or force their holiday on another group. * This is where we disagree* My point is Freedom of Religion, not from religion.