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My feeling is no paying job is slavery.
If, for what ever reason, you do not want to do the job as stated, then find another job. You don't get to re-write the job description and foist the parts of the job you don't like, on co-workers, for any reason. I can understand having a crisis of conscience and deciding you don't like a certain aspect of your job but you give notice and quit. If you are not an equal co owner in the business you don't get to dictate the rules. If this person wants a job that does not include serving alcohol then go to your employer and see if they will work you on alcohol free flights. You never know what is possible if you do not ask or shop around for a modified job description from the expected one. As a passenger I would be glad to have the option to have the choice of alcohol free flights since all too often passengers become offensive or sickened by consuming alcohol and that makes flying in what are increasingly cramped quarters very uncomfortable. But I am a fierce believer in separation of church and state and that applies in owning my own business and running it how I see fit. No employee gets to drag their personal beliefs in and dictate them to the owners or the customers. |
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Edited by
misha_eletsky
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Sun 09/06/15 07:02 PM
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Well said all of you. My question here is: Why was she serving alcohol? I thought that only bars allowed to do that. Here in Minnesota we have the same issue. A Muslim works in Cub Foods, under his belief he can't touch (in this case scan) meat. But, surprisingly, the employer didn't fired him and he still works as a cashier despite growing line to his cash register.
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Edited by
SheikOfLaBroquerie
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Sun 09/06/15 07:01 PM
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Edited by
SheikOfLaBroquerie
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Sun 09/06/15 07:00 PM
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Find it interesting that Mormons are against drinking caffeine.
Yet when I lived near Navuoo, IL there were plenty of soft drink machines that had Coca Cola and Pepsi in them. Also know they got a percentage from what was sold. Have known a few flight attendants. Have been on a number of flights. It is common place for them to share the job of serving to both sides of the aisle. Is it her problem of her co-worker's problem? Think it is the latter. jmo |
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Edited by
misha_eletsky
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Sun 09/06/15 07:08 PM
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You wanted to say something, Sheik? |
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people say 'find a job' as if its like going to pick a flower in the park
jobs are a medium for MONEY which is necessary for survival and someone who has worked honestly on a job and invested years of their time into the profits of that company shouldnt have to feel like 'my way or the highway' is a reasonable response to their concerns or needs'' the rent doesnt wait until one just 'finds another job', neither does the stomach of ones family members, or the utilities that keep them warm or cool, and that other job ,when the employer is given complete dictatorship over all conditions as long as they 'pay' something,,, is hardly going to be much help either,,, there is dictatorship that is all about one, and there is leadership that is about the unit I know people have accepted it should all be one way, from 'boss' to employee but without good employees bosses cant make squat so there is some interest in their considering the concerns and needs of their employees as well as just whatever they dictate should be done it is indeed slavery to invest ones time and energy into something that helps someone else make a profit and only allows you to keep struggling I certainly dont feel its for the government to step in and say one way or the other, but I do feel people dont need to cease being concerned for others needs and situations just because they get into a superior position of power,, I feel thats when they should actually care even more, because thats when their decisions have the most impact upon others lives jmho |
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Kentucky clerk got jailed for not doing her job because of religion. ...maybe the flight attendant should join her in jail.........
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You wanted to say something, Sheik? Actually, I'm really enjoying the comments from PacificStar48 and Yourself. Sometimes the comments come so quickly I'm too late to reply. |
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Kentucky clerk got jailed for not doing her job because of religion. ...maybe the flight attendant should join her in jail......... jails for insubordination in employment,,,unbelievable |
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Maybe it is time for Muslim only flights?
She could steward them? |
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on the one hand there are the rights if the first amendment which protects the freedom of religion.
on the other hand is having signed up with a company being expected to carry out your job duties. if I understood this correctly at the time she was hired she was not Muslim, therefore she could carry out the full scope of duties required for the position. at the time she converted, she knew full well what her job description entailed. what's fair to her? to her coworkers? to the passengers who expect full service and smooth operation for the flights they are paying for? |
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Kentucky clerk got jailed for not doing her job because of religion. ...maybe the flight attendant should join her in jail......... jails for insubordination in employment,,,unbelievable agreed, but my point is religion shouldn't dictate what parts of a job you can and can't do....and for those saying 'reasonable'�accommodations reasonable by whose standard...for example employer hires an usher for a movie theater. ..they convert to seventh day adventist and tell the employer they can no longer work Saturday nights because that is their belief...personally I think its PERFECTLY reasonable for the employer to ask them to work on the busiest night.....and if the employee can't then he should have every right to fire them and find someone who can..he shouldn't be forced to put them on a shift where they may not be needed and have to hire someone else. And if anyone truly has faith if they can't di the job they're currently at, then they should have faith that God will honor their decision and open up another opportunity for them elsewhere |
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Kentucky clerk got jailed for not doing her job because of religion. ...maybe the flight attendant should join her in jail......... jails for insubordination in employment,,,unbelievable agreed, but my point is religion shouldn't dictate what parts of a job you can and can't do....and for those saying 'reasonable'�accommodations reasonable by whose standard...for example employer hires an usher for a movie theater. ..they convert to seventh day adventist and tell the employer they can no longer work Saturday nights because that is their belief...personally I think its PERFECTLY reasonable for the employer to ask them to work on the busiest night.....and if the employee can't then he should have every right to fire them and find someone who can..he shouldn't be forced to put them on a shift where they may not be needed and have to hire someone else. And if anyone truly has faith if they can't di the job they're currently at, then they should have faith that God will honor their decision and open up another opportunity for them elsewhere it should certainly be a consideration when applying for a job,, most job applications I have filled ask if there are any limitations that you may have and then that employer may decide they can accomodate you or not that seems simple, if people didnt need to be 'right' and could just be 'considerate',, it would not be so complicated for instance, I am on a phone queu that deals with peoples money,, they have the queus seperated by certifications,,,they can easily seperate positions by capacity as well,, if you serve FOOD in a restaurant, as I mentioned before, where alcohol is on the menue and you are old enough to have a job but not yet old enough to serve it,, the employer can accomodate that by having other staff step in for those limited situations at the end of the day, it really should be an employer/employee situation,,,,with the negotiation or decision not needing to involve anyone else,,, |
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she finds out after converting she can't serve alcohol, then she needs find a position that suits her beliefs, not forcing the employer to suit her religions beliefs... she wasn't placed on "administrative leave" for being muslim, she was put there because she's not doing her job...
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she finds out after converting she can't serve alcohol, then she needs find a position that suits her beliefs, not forcing the employer to suit her religions beliefs... she wasn't placed on "administrative leave" for being muslim, she was put there because she's not doing her job... I agree that the description is misleading like most headlines are in the recent past and if her values changed AFTER her employment, than it is still something that could have been accomodated, but more understandably inconvenient than if this was something known before hiring that had been accomodated |
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she finds out after converting she can't serve alcohol, then she needs find a position that suits her beliefs, not forcing the employer to suit her religions beliefs... she wasn't placed on "administrative leave" for being muslim, she was put there because she's not doing her job... She chose instead to keep doing the same position and well her coworkers were tired of dealing with it. |
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I'm impressed with the majority of everybody's thoughts.
******************************************* In the past, without cause for religious convictions, I've quit a job because I couldn't work there in good-conscience. |
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She is not consuming the alcohol, so what is her reasoning for not serving it?
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I'm impressed with the majority of everybody's thoughts. ******************************************* In the past, without cause for religious convictions, I've quit a job because I couldn't work there in good-conscience. Exactly I have quit a job not for religious reasons but for inner ethic reasons. I may out there but if my convictions are that strong then I am the one that needs to stand up for them not the rest of the world. |
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