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Topic: At a Berlin church, Muslim refugees converting in droves
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Sat 09/05/15 08:56 AM




Refugees who are trying to use religion to stay into a country that is safer for them and or their families is in a way understandable. I mean really if you and or your family wee caught in a war situation wouldn't you think of ways to leave that country?

I understand that terrorist is all ways a worry and that is understandable. Perhaps there could be a system in place were refugees could be monitored while residing in their hosts country?


We could have internment camps.whoa


Wow is Hitler your hero ?

FDR dood it!


I recommend some history lessons for this girl. laugh

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Sat 09/05/15 09:30 AM





Refugees who are trying to use religion to stay into a country that is safer for them and or their families is in a way understandable. I mean really if you and or your family wee caught in a war situation wouldn't you think of ways to leave that country?

I understand that terrorist is all ways a worry and that is understandable. Perhaps there could be a system in place were refugees could be monitored while residing in their hosts country?


We could have internment camps.whoa


Wow is Hitler your hero ?

FDR dood it!


I recommend some history lessons for this girl. laugh
laugh :thumbsup:

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Sat 09/05/15 10:00 AM





Refugees who are trying to use religion to stay into a country that is safer for them and or their families is in a way understandable. I mean really if you and or your family wee caught in a war situation wouldn't you think of ways to leave that country?

I understand that terrorist is all ways a worry and that is understandable. Perhaps there could be a system in place were refugees could be monitored while residing in their hosts country?


We could have internment camps.whoa


Wow is Hitler your hero ?

FDR dood it!


I recommend some history lessons for this girl. laugh



Obviously you have miss understood what I was suggesting. That is ok it is understandable due to your majority level :)

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Sat 09/05/15 11:46 PM
Edited by Pansytilly on Sat 09/05/15 11:47 PM


Yassir Arafat was famous for telling Western newspapers about his desire for peace with Israel, then turning right around and whipping Palestinians into a hateful and violent frenzy against Jews.


Actually under Yasser Arafat's PLO, the Hamas tried but could never raise even their heads. Yasser had visited India, that was before he brokered a deal with the Israeli Government changing the 'refugee status' of his people to 'secondary citizens'; in their own land.

Leads one to think over why the great leaders of WWII marked out strips of territories surrounding Jerusalem as the homeland for all European Jews. The Jewish faith did not need The Temple; the people had always carried their faith with them. Why not territories from Germany,itself?

Anyway, the Syrian refugees flooding Europe are from the most advanced Muslim societies in the world. Recall the Arab Spring? It sprang in Syria.






Is it not because the jewish peple themselves wanted to be establish themselves in jerusalem again and regain their national identity after numerous diasporas? Why would they want to establish a territory in germany???

How is syria the most advanced muslim society?

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Sun 09/06/15 12:22 AM


I dunno why...these look like starbucks mugs...:laughing:

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Sun 09/06/15 12:38 AM

Free will .. People have the right to convert to any religion they choose whatever their motivation .
I have know people convert for their love of a person .. . Personal safety and survival is a no lesser reason . If there is salvation in acknowledging a fictitious god ... then let his light shine upon them and keep them safe pitchfork:

As for internment camps .. Trading One hell hole for another pitchfork Anyone who is aware of the refugee camps in Lebanon will know of the harm to the psyche and wellbeing displacement in such an environment creates ... especially the most vulnerable .. the children . .

Je suis Syria ... By your side love love




Free will is one aspect, most definitely, that determines trading and/or using religion for survival.


The events in the border station camps are no less traumatic for those involved.

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Sun 09/06/15 12:51 AM



I dunno why...these look like starbucks mugs...:laughing:


Mugs alright!laugh

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Sun 09/06/15 01:38 AM
Have them burn their holy book, let's see.

Social exclusion my arse, it is Islam who does not want to integrate with the world, so be it.


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Sun 09/06/15 01:42 AM
The Islamic Ecumenical Council,Tehran,Iran!laugh
And there seems to be another one in Mecca,Saudi Arabia!:laughing:

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Sun 09/06/15 02:07 AM
Edited by Pansytilly on Sun 09/06/15 02:09 AM

Reposted from immigration/migration thread due to relevance with topic at hand.

Thank you Conrad for bringing in this article.flowerforyou


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/05/gulf-states-refuse-to-take-a-single-syrian-refugee-say-doing-so-exposes-them-to-risk-of-terrorism/



Muslim Countries Refuse to Take A Single Syrian Refugee, Cite Risk of Exposure to Terrorism



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Sun 09/06/15 02:51 AM
Edited by JOHNN111 on Sun 09/06/15 03:02 AM


Have them burn their holy book, let's see.

Social exclusion my arse, it is Islam who does not want to integrate with the world, so be it.


the refugees want to integrate .. Why should religion decide their entitlement .


In most cases it doesn't, with some exceptions of course.

Refugees want to escape... Big difference, whole communities of Muslims choose to isolate themselves in my neck of the woods only to create the same ideology from abroad, on our turf! Unacceptable

Edit*

Where is the fox man? We can have a 20 question period on this crises and his input would be helpful

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Sun 09/06/15 05:51 AM




Have them burn their holy book, let's see.

Social exclusion my arse, it is Islam who does not want to integrate with the world, so be it.


the refugees want to integrate .. Why should religion decide their entitlement .


In most cases it doesn't, with some exceptions of course.

Refugees want to escape... Big difference, whole communities of Muslims choose to isolate themselves in my neck of the woods only to create the same ideology from abroad, on our turf! Unacceptable

Edit*

Where is the fox man? We can have a 20 question period on this crises and his input would be helpful

he is in transit to Europe .... Final destination Canada where I will join him .love love Fox and blondey .. The new face of terrorism .. .. Laughing .. I am just teasing you John ..... I will be talking to him shortly . Will let him know you asked for his input . waving


Lmao... I believe fox is a educated man of the world and seems to have good intentions, you, I'm not so sure haha I'm kidding of course.

Canada? Mi caza sou caza, by all means, if you decide to settle on my turf, however, my home is not the place to pray, we have tons of mosques now for that :tongue: flowerforyou

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Sun 09/06/15 11:20 AM





Have them burn their holy book, let's see.

Social exclusion my arse, it is Islam who does not want to integrate with the world, so be it.


the refugees want to integrate .. Why should religion decide their entitlement .


In most cases it doesn't, with some exceptions of course.

Refugees want to escape... Big difference, whole communities of Muslims choose to isolate themselves in my neck of the woods only to create the same ideology from abroad, on our turf! Unacceptable

Edit*

Where is the fox man? We can have a 20 question period on this crises and his input would be helpful

he is in transit to Europe .... Final destination Canada where I will join him .love love Fox and blondey .. The new face of terrorism .. .. Laughing .. I am just teasing you John ..... I will be talking to him shortly . Will let him know you asked for his input . waving


Lmao... I believe fox is a educated man of the world and seems to have good intentions, you, I'm not so sure haha I'm kidding of course.

Canada? Mi caza sou caza, by all means, if you decide to settle on my turf, however, my home is not the place to pray, we have tons of mosques now for that :tongue: flowerforyou


You also have tons of Mosqueto's too.

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Sun 09/06/15 11:28 AM


Reposted from immigration/migration thread due to relevance with topic at hand.

Thank you Conrad for bringing in this article.flowerforyou


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/05/gulf-states-refuse-to-take-a-single-syrian-refugee-say-doing-so-exposes-them-to-risk-of-terrorism/



Muslim Countries Refuse to Take A Single Syrian Refugee, Cite Risk of Exposure to Terrorism



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Sun 09/06/15 11:30 AM


Have them burn their holy book, let's see.

Social exclusion my arse, it is Islam who does not want to integrate with the world, so be it.


the refugees want to integrate .. Why should religion decide their entitlement .

doubt if many of them do!
Very little Evidence here in Europe that the Majority is willing to!

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Sun 09/06/15 11:43 AM
Edited by alleoops on Sun 09/06/15 11:47 AM


Have them burn their holy book, let's see.

Social exclusion my arse, it is Islam who does not want to integrate with the world, so be it.


the refugees want to integrate .. Why should religion decide their entitlement .




Their entitlement? laugh

Because their religion wants to kill people! Duh.

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Sun 09/06/15 03:44 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Sun 09/06/15 03:46 PM
As the migrant-train standoff entered its second day in Hungary, with thousands of mostly Syrian refugees seeking passage to Germany, it's time the West recognized this shift in Muslim populations for what it is, say American activists who have been warning of a "fifth column" for years.

Author Robert Spencer wrote Sept. 4 in Front Page Magazine, "This is no longer just a 'refugee crisis.' This is a hijrah."

Hijrah is the Islamic doctrine of migration, which is a form of stealth jihad.

"To emigrate in the cause of Allah - that is, to move to a new land in order to bring Islam there, is considered in Islam to be a highly meritorious act," Spencer wrote. He cited the following Quranic text:

"And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many locations and abundance," says the Quran. "And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him, his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah. And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful" (Quran 4:100).

And now, looking at Europe and America, a migration invasion of a much greater magnitude is underway.

Evidence of that invasion came in February when an ISIS operative confirmed what many already suspected - the Islamic State is using the refugee crisis to form a fifth column of Muslim fighters inside Western nations.

The Syrian operative claimed more than 4,000 trained ISIS gunmen have already been smuggled into Europe - hidden among innocent refugees, reported the Express, a British newspaper.

Hungary's prime minister, Victor Orban, was lampooned in the European media Thursday for writing an op-ed in which he stated Hungary was blocking the Muslim migrants to preserve its Christian heritage.

But more European leaders should be as astute as Orban, says Clare Lopez, a senior Middle East analyst for the Center for Security Policy.

"Today, it is the nation-state system and any concept of national sovereignty that is under concerted attack by the forces of the global jihad movement," Lopez told WND. "Jihad is not only a violent phenomenon but can be pursued by many other means, including hijra."

The ISIS smuggler, in his 30s with a neatly trimmed black beard, revealed to BuzzFeed that the ongoing clandestine operation has been a "complete success."

"Just wait," he smiled. "It's our dream that there should be a caliphate not only in Syria but in all the world and we will have it soon, God willing."
"They are going like refugees," he explained. "Others just go to Europe to be ready."

The Islamic State operative spoke exclusively to BuzzFeed on the condition of anonymity and is believed to be the first to confirm plans to infiltrate Western countries, although similar statements have been made through unconfirmed ISIS Twitter accounts.

ISIS is believed to be actively smuggling covert gunmen across the 565-mile Turkish border and on to wealthier European nations, the smuggler told BuzzFeed.

He said ISIS now has more than 4,000 fighters "ready" throughout the European Union.

ISIS operatives are taking advantage of Western nations generosity toward refugees to infiltrate Europe, he said.

The ISIS fighters use local smugglers to blend in and travel within the ranks of a tidal wave of illegal migrants flooding into Europe, both by boat from North Africa and on land through Hungary and Austria into Germany, Belgium and Sweden.
Persecuted Christians stay behind

Read more at WND:

http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/isis-smuggler-we-will-use-refugee-crisis-to-infiltrate-west/#S2YZrkfZRSuOhXeU.03

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Fri 09/11/15 10:31 AM



Yassir Arafat was famous for telling Western newspapers about his desire for peace with Israel, then turning right around and whipping Palestinians into a hateful and violent frenzy against Jews.


Actually under Yasser Arafat's PLO, the Hamas tried but could never raise even their heads. Yasser had visited India, that was before he brokered a deal with the Israeli Government changing the 'refugee status' of his people to 'secondary citizens'; in their own land.

Leads one to think over why the great leaders of WWII marked out strips of territories surrounding Jerusalem as the homeland for all European Jews. The Jewish faith did not need The Temple; the people had always carried their faith with them. Why not territories from Germany,itself?

Anyway, the Syrian refugees flooding Europe are from the most advanced Muslim societies in the world. Recall the Arab Spring? It sprang in Syria.






Is it not because the jewish peple themselves wanted to be establish themselves in jerusalem again and regain their national identity after numerous diasporas? Why would they want to establish a territory in germany???

How is syria the most advanced muslim society?


How is Syria the most advanced muslim society?

1. In light of 'Arab Spring' originating in Syria. Reason why the Saudis & other Emirates kept away from supporting them since they did not want 'democratic' ideas spreading to their people.

2. Historically, St. Thomas (the Apostle) who traveled to the South Western Coast of India appears to be a Syrian. He founded what is today the Syrian body of church here as opposed to the Catholic church the Portuguese who came in later tried to leverage on.

In light of this, for the Syrians, conversions could be like drinking water but from a different well.


Author Robert Spencer wrote Sept. 4 in Front Page Magazine, "This is no longer just a 'refugee crisis.' This is a hijrah."

Hijrah is the Islamic doctrine of migration, which is a form of stealth jihad.


It's ironical - that the one ethnically friendly Muslim Nation to the West are viewed through the same lens. With all respect MM, Syrians should have been distinguished from the others; like the French in the 18th century were from the English; and the reason Assad has turned the ISIS wolves on these people. Assad & his generals belong to the Iraqi - Shia sect; not that they are not progressive, maybe more so - since i once worked for a firm owned by them.

<shrug> as our clown would bleat: naah, not my problem.

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Fri 09/11/15 09:20 PM
I've met immigrants from other countries who've come to Canada and while they claim they were formerly Muslim they've now converted to Christianity.

They find it strange I was formerly a Christian, of sorts, and now I'm a Muslim.

When I ask them about what it was they were disgruntled about from where they came from and their religion, that's when I find out they're primarily entrenched with Hadiths.

It could be said they've never actually known what Islam was originally supposed to be.

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It has also come-to-mind that there are those who'd assume I'd never had an authentic indoctrination of what Christianity is supposed to be, as well. spock

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Fri 09/11/15 11:16 PM
Edited by Rock on Fri 09/11/15 11:17 PM
Hand the new converts to christianity a pork sammich. If they eat it, their conversion was sincere.

If they refuse to touch it, let alone eat it, their conversion was a scam.

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