In the case of many parts of India, the problem lies in a mix of muslim-hindu-caste system ideaology, that victimizes women doubly.

Hypocrisy is alive and well.

Salaam Maliquem,,,
I thought what Sassy mentioned was
Very acutely said and so if I may add my 2 cents.

Islamic culture is wherein people born into have limited choices, especially women, ok nothing new there. What we may have forgotten is that this culture was imposed on people living in extremely 'barbaric' conditions; maybe a medieval culture that could not progress and the question is why?

Update: If we look at other Asian cultures: Hinduism, Buddhism or even Sikhism, one can opt out of the rituals or visiting temples and still retain his Hindu identity. (Villages remain a bit more conservative, but the option is there).

In Islam there are 'no' options. All Muslims, including the elite; are constrained by the Edith of the Koran.

A mild example would be our President of India who was Muslim; Late Mr. Abdul Kalam. The Muslim community refused to consider him among their own since Mr. Kalam had read the Bible and the Gita (Hindu) and used to often quote from these books along with the Koran. As I understand, the Koran implicitly forbids Muslims from reading any 'Word' outside of the Koran.

The general Muslim public (not those on the fringes, poor or extremists):
I have found Saudi Muslims humanely courteous to non-muslims and have heard about the help extended in road accidents. They don't wait for any 911 aid. (We Indian's, esp. in the cities; have lost this, maybe the grind has got into us.)

Regarding Muslim women:
Muslims just don't want you to eye ball their women. This probably runs through all communities and all men, it's just that Muslims are aggressive about it.

Alternative to Islam:
A society bogged down in poverty and in a harsh environment. Talk of averages, the Saudi is not starving and is barely middle-class, the Indian Muslim, likewise. 'what keeps them going?' The will talk about their faith. So who can take away this only thing they have, that which gives them a sense of belonging; an identity and perhaps some pride! I don't think Muslim youth in India are working in call centers. They wouldn't change their name from Saddam to Adam.

Initially I was surprised when the Saudi's stamped my passport with a notice 'carrying drugs will invite the death penalty'. After living there made greater sense: The young Saudi Muslim is crazier than most young people anywhere else and they would try anything at least once. In those deserts were mirages is the 'normal' drugs could ...

The Islamic Political Church
The problem is not in being a Muslim as much as in their church leadership which acquires political power. In the US, religion has no standing in politics. Thank God for this one country. Rest of the world sadly is not there.

Islam, has its divinity but it also has political canons which when translated by so called holy scholars with chilling effect. For instance a translation such as the death of a non-believer does not count is easily interpreted as: such a death may even carry merit in the afterlife. So a 9/11 or other terrorism is no cause for agony.

Not true among the educated. There's a deep sense of shame that cannot be wiped out by verbal repentance.

On the other hand no Islamic leader has come out and apologized on behalf of Muslims This is not because of the Koran but because of the Translations or what is the ongoing definition of the current Mullah on Allah's world. The Muslim, however highly placed, cannot dissent against the Mullahs; unless say he's in the Pakistani Army.

So what does all this add up to? Just that it's the Muslim alone who will reform his society; 30% of the World population. Befriending him may not be possible for many of us but turning away from him during this period of terrorism including their internal terrorism is also not a solution. I find that Islamic leaders like Afghanistan's President and others are slowly turning the tide.

A telling point (i could be wrong, maybe not). While on 9/11, Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with it. After all he was the guy who outsourced the fighters from Saudi (and after exile) from neighboring countries to push out the Russians; a proxy general for the CIA. Then after his lifetime sacrifice, the American government wanted a democracy, wanted to deny him the Afghanistan he had won(?) So now he was the enemy!

All he said in an interview was (at that time the enemy was not known and he said this not with any malice) 'it must have been Muslims'. Else, why would Pakistan's army shelter him near their base in Abbotbad? The fanatics who flew into the towers were all Egyptians; no connections at all to Laden(i could be wrong).

But the people wanted 'retribution'. So Bin Laden. Same thing when we hate 'all Muslims'. I could be wrong but 'hate' sometimes does the opposite, it strengthens the enemy, does not get us to the real enemy.

In this age of routine terrorism, what the world needs is a President like Jimmy Carter. Steel hands in velvet gloves.

The comments from Blondey seem to echo those of politicians. Oh people, give Muslims a break, it's a religion of peace.... and so on.

Ok, let's do some math shall we? Let's say 99% of Muslims are peaceful people and only 1% are violent shall we? There are a billion Muslims on the planet. If there are NINE HUNDRED AND NINETY MILLION peaceful, respectful, inclusive, and non-jihadi Muslims WHY are there Jews, Christians, and others having to fight these 1% who are supposedly just 'confused' about how Islam works? Why are Muslims not cleaning up this mess and taking out the trash for themselves???

BUT, back to the 1% who are the alleged 'Death to America' chanting, AK-47 toting, suicide bombing their way into Allah's heart Muslims. Hajji doesn't work for ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, PLO, Boko Haram, etc in a vacum. Chances are mom, dad, sister, brother, etc know they are terrorists. Are the families calling authorities and turning them in? Revealing where these guys hang out every day? Who their son associates with? Do they deny their kid money, clothes, food, use of the family car while he's with the organization? Of course not. So this group of a mere 10 million 'misguided' terrorists actually has another 30-40 million tacit supporters. Add to that those who actively give money, shelter, food, commo gear, ammo, and weapons, and that number grows again. Add entire government entities who specialize in funneling support to these groups like Iran, and the number grows again. Finally add the person who simply joins the mob to chant 'Death to America' for the CNN reporter. Are they REALLY terrorists? Well, they didn't stay home and watch 'Leave It To Beaverlah'

Putin said it like a decade ago in Paris after a conference. Islam is the biggest danger in the world. One of the few things he's ever said that I can believe.

Yep.. while hiding their face behind a vail... real brave... you want to fight?.. be a man.. and fight.. face to face

What are you hiding from?

I agree.

just sickening

Last time I looked Royal Marines, Australian Marines, U.S Marines ( and all other allied troops) do not wear vials.

why???... because they do not hide.. from anyone.

And that is the difference between a man... and a coward

1% of Muslims, 10 million who are terrorists. spread say over West Asia.
That's a big sized army. So what's the solution?



We have asked this question in India and this is what we could come up with. Let me backtrack a bit.

Based on the terrorists caught / profiled infiltrating into India through Indo-Pak borders we find that most of these fellows are displaced Afghans (actually farm labor) trained to use explosives and not Islamic fanatics. It's an open secret that the Pak Army sends a barrage of shells across the border so that the fellows can infiltrate. On questioning (old news), the men talk about the promise by the P_army to compensate their families in case they don't return to the tune of 1Lac, that's $2000.

1. So it's possible that around 70% of all those in T_armies like ISIS could be paid labor? I could be wrong but citizens protesting in Asia, don't own guns.

2. On the other hand, terrorists who are Indians caught working against India are from a middle-class background!! In most cases they are inspired by some channel news on atrocities committed on their community, etc.

3. A Paki General is supposed to have told the media, we will exhaust India with a thousand cuts. The present Indian Government is aware that Pakistan's army works independently of their government. So we have what is a 'proxy war' going on.

4. Muslim Bishops (Mullah's) may seem not to be interfering but their silence cannot be explained.

Conclusion is: any terror organizations like Boko Haram exist because they are armed, trained and funded and their governments allow them to exist.

If Egyptians have struck the Towers why was the Egyptian Government not forced to compensate? After all Islamic Law says that the family should compensate for the 'evil' committed by their off-springs.

I was wondering how their figures stack next to rape in South Africa?

I am not particularly fond of Islam,but "Honor-Killings" do happen in other Societies as well!

Religion

Widney Brown, the advocacy director of Human Rights Watch, said that the practice "goes across cultures and across religions". Human rights advocates have compared "honor killing" to "crimes of passion" in Latin America (which are sometimes treated extremely leniently) and also to the killing of women for lack of dowry in India. Honor crimes occur in societies where there is an interplay between discriminatory traditions of justice and statutory law. In some countries, this discrimination is exacerbated by the inclusion of Shari'a, Islamic law, or the concept of zina (sex outside of marriage).[60]

Tahira Shaid Khan, a professor of women's issues at Aga Khan University, notes that there is nothing in the Qur'an that permits or sanctions honor killings.[60] Khan instead blames it on attitudes (across different classes, ethnic, and religious groups) that view women as property with no rights of their own as the motivation for honor killings.[60] Khan also argues that this view results in violence against women and their being turned "into a commodity which can be exchanged, bought, and sold".[61] Although it is claimed that the concept of Gheerah is the source of honor killings in the Islamic world,[62][63] even Salafi scholar Muhammad Al-Munajjid asserts that punishment of any crime is reserved for the Islamic ruler[64] noting that the penalty for fornication (sexual relationships between unmarried people) is 100 lashes.[64]

Resolution 1327 (2003) of the Council of Europe states that:[65]

"The Assembly notes that whilst so-called "honour crimes" emanate from cultural and not religious roots and are perpetrated worldwide (mainly in patriarchal societies or communities), the majority of reported cases in Europe have been amongst Muslim or migrant Muslim communities (although Islam itself does not support the death penalty for honour-related misconduct)."

According to the UN in 2002:

The report of the Special Rapporteur... concerning cultural practices in the family that are violent towards women (E/CN.4/2002/83), indicated that honour killings had been reported in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Pakistan, the Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey, Yemen, and other Mediterranean and Persian Gulf countries, and that they had also taken place in western countries such as France, Germany and the United Kingdom, within migrant communities.[71][72]

In addition, the United Nations Commission on Human Rights gathered reports from several countries and considering only the countries that submitted reports it was shown that honor killings have occurred in Bangladesh, Great Britain, Brazil, Ecuador, Egypt, India, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Pakistan, Morocco, Sweden, Turkey, and Uganda.[61] [73]

According to Widney Brown, advocacy director for Human Rights Watch, the practice of honor killing "goes across cultures and across religions."[74]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing




Something that mainly happens in a Collectivist Society!

Oh, something I forgot to put into the earlier post. For those of you poor misguided people who constantly want to pull out the race card in regards to discussions about Muslims? Well, they're actually NOT A RACE!

Criticizing Muslims or Islam DOES NOT MAKE ME A RACIST, and attempting to hang the 'racist' handle on people is intellectually dishonest.

Muslims are people who believe in Islam, a religion. They are not all even Arab. You can find Muslims of all colours around the world. White ones, brown ones, and black ones. I'm sure you can even find Asian Muslims and likely an Eskimo Muslim or two.

White chicks wearing a hijab to look cool, or show solidarity with Muslim 'sisters' don't count. White guys wearing a keffiyeh (terrorist head and neck wrap)are simply being dolts, and looking to make a no-fly list in their home countries. If your special forces in a desert environment, you have an excuse, otherwise wearing one in public in 'posing'.

Moving on.....

because we underreport these things or because they do?

according to nationmaster India rapes are 1.8 per 10000 and SA is 132.4 in 2010

It is under reported everywhere. Some places more than others, and to varying degrees and reasons.

agreed



it is a difficult thing to track because
1. many victims never report it
1. many who report it arent actual victims

IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO SHOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT WHAT YOU LIKE, BUT A TRUE CHRISTIAN CANNOT ALTERED SUCH A STAMENT (ONLY MUSLIM HONOR VIOLENCE).

BECAUSE IT YOU CAN READ THE BIBLE YOU WILL GET TO UNDERSTAND IF MUSLIM AND NON MUSLIM WHO HONOR VIOLENCE.

WE UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU JUST WANT PEOPLE TO CRITICIZE CHRISTIAN THAT'S ATTACKING THE MUSLIMS

Many also report it after the fact...just too late to prove or consider on legal grounds.
Many do not have the opportunity to report (ie dead)
Many cannot afford the risk of reporting (ie. threatened, blackmailed, stigmatized)
Many are paid off not to report.
Many reports are swept under the rug. (ie red tape)
Etc..etc...

It is not difficult to recognize these things for what they are, and not for what they are being made out to be.

What are you talking about?

your also forgetting that it is against the law for a woman to get raped in the muslim world... so the woman can't/won't report it for fear of death/prison...

I am not personally acquainted with where or how it is stated that it is against muslim law for women to get raped...the way i interpret this is the rapist ought to be held accountable for doing this "forbidden" act, both in this life and in the afterlife. Interpreting it the wrong way around is a bad excuse to do a bad thing.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/07/iran-rape-11-year-old.html

http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/JanFeb04/womeniran.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/world/africa/05somalia.html?_r=0

http://lightonthings.blogspot.com/2007/02/why-rape-is-not-found-in-islamic.html

there plenty more examples of how wonderful women are treated by the religion of peace and love...