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SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 07/07/15 11:15 AM Edited by SheikOfLaBroquerie on Tue 07/07/15 11:26 AM
[ In Reply To Mom333 ] Great, is it the assumption that these other people also have the same moral conviction of the said 'Principled Atheist?'

mom333 Joined Sun 06/15/14 Posts: 1238	Tue 07/07/15 11:29 AM Edited by mom333 on Tue 07/07/15 11:30 AM
Great, is it the assumption that these other people also have the same moral conviction of the said 'Principled Atheist?' I'm proper flawed and that is because I'm only human. Unless your a baby your not perfect. But I try to do a little better than yesterday everyday. And people of said religion hopefully would too as there is really nothing to gain from it no money etcso it wwould be pointless to join if you didn't want to be part of it.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 07/07/15 11:39 AM
- it would be pointless to join if you didn't want to be part of it. Thank You... You've just answered Your own question and mine.

mom333 Joined Sun 06/15/14 Posts: 1238	Tue 07/07/15 11:41 AM
- it would be pointless to join if you didn't want to be part of it. What I should have said is it would be pointless to join if you didn't want to be doing things that help other people rather than yourself. Thank You... You've just answered Your own question and mine.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 07/07/15 11:45 AM
written a religious book not based on a god but on real life, and taken the best of the religious groups out there eg Jewish(Friday night dinners, Islam(modesty), Buddhism (not relying on luxuries)Christianity(thou shall not kill) etc and started their own religion based on all the good things out there? My dear mom, no matter what "religion" you find. It's not about finding the "golden ticket to life" or "figuring it out". It's about obeying God, his will and commandments. It's not about "YOU" or what you can specifically gain. It's about obeying God and accepting the rewards that may be there along the ride. the religion Im speaking about would have no god just like atheism, that is a religion and the people there are happy in the knowledge that they are choosing to be "good" without the need to have it told to them on a weekly basis. I myself do not think so highly of myself and I do not think myself on some high level where I am going to be an angel and live in a heaven because I managed to follow some rules badly and assume that gay people and non Christians are not going there too. I know however I am special to a few people on the earth...my children and that is all I need to know that im already living in my heaven even if its hard sometimes. when it finishes it finishes I will be happy that I did my best at times. It's not needed to be told to us once a week, that's not specifically what church is for on the Sabbath. It's bout taking that bit of time out of your schedule and spend it directly on God in celebration or learning. It's about God 100% on the Sabbath, not what one can gain or benefit from it. I don't love my children or accept people the way they are regardless of how they look or what they believe or give homeless people bacon butties to gain something back, there is nothing I can achieve from doing these things. I don't feel pleased with myself because I did something good because I just did it. and I don't think im going somewhere special after I croak because I acknowledge I am part of the animal kingdom. if I were going to believe that I was going to a heaven then I would think animals were going there too, like dogs, cats, moose, crocodiles etc as it happens I do not believe we just simply cease to exist because we will be part of the earth and so join in the circle of life, which is a proven fact and everybody gets to join. ???? Nobody does anything to gain anything back. The original actions would be done in vein if they expected a reward. We do what we do, for the simple fact our God has told us. your doing it because your goal is getting into heaven. Wrong, we are doing it so that you may gain in the reward of Heaven. Anything and everything for the salvation of those who believe has already been made by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Outside of that the ONLY thing anyone of can even possibly do, is direct someone to God. All the glory of anything great accomplished is in the great name if Jesus Christ!!! but in the bible it says only they who follow him get to go. others burn in hell for their sins. so I put it to you that your either wrong or not being truthful about why you worship this god. tou-che...lol, religious folks can't accept living by the good morals that are in the bible without actually believing in a god...

mom333 Joined Sun 06/15/14 Posts: 1238	Tue 07/07/15 11:50 AM
written a religious book not based on a god but on real life, and taken the best of the religious groups out there eg Jewish(Friday night dinners, Islam(modesty), Buddhism (not relying on luxuries)Christianity(thou shall not kill) etc and started their own religion based on all the good things out there? My dear mom, no matter what "religion" you find. It's not about finding the "golden ticket to life" or "figuring it out". It's about obeying God, his will and commandments. It's not about "YOU" or what you can specifically gain. It's about obeying God and accepting the rewards that may be there along the ride. the religion Im speaking about would have no god just like atheism, that is a religion and the people there are happy in the knowledge that they are choosing to be "good" without the need to have it told to them on a weekly basis. I myself do not think so highly of myself and I do not think myself on some high level where I am going to be an angel and live in a heaven because I managed to follow some rules badly and assume that gay people and non Christians are not going there too. I know however I am special to a few people on the earth...my children and that is all I need to know that im already living in my heaven even if its hard sometimes. when it finishes it finishes I will be happy that I did my best at times. It's not needed to be told to us once a week, that's not specifically what church is for on the Sabbath. It's bout taking that bit of time out of your schedule and spend it directly on God in celebration or learning. It's about God 100% on the Sabbath, not what one can gain or benefit from it. I don't love my children or accept people the way they are regardless of how they look or what they believe or give homeless people bacon butties to gain something back, there is nothing I can achieve from doing these things. I don't feel pleased with myself because I did something good because I just did it. and I don't think im going somewhere special after I croak because I acknowledge I am part of the animal kingdom. if I were going to believe that I was going to a heaven then I would think animals were going there too, like dogs, cats, moose, crocodiles etc as it happens I do not believe we just simply cease to exist because we will be part of the earth and so join in the circle of life, which is a proven fact and everybody gets to join. ???? Nobody does anything to gain anything back. The original actions would be done in vein if they expected a reward. We do what we do, for the simple fact our God has told us. your doing it because your goal is getting into heaven. Wrong, we are doing it so that you may gain in the reward of Heaven. Anything and everything for the salvation of those who believe has already been made by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Outside of that the ONLY thing anyone of can even possibly do, is direct someone to God. All the glory of anything great accomplished is in the great name if Jesus Christ!!! but in the bible it says only they who follow him get to go. others burn in hell for their sins. so I put it to you that your either wrong or not being truthful about why you worship this god. tou-che...lol, religious folks can't accept living by the good morals that are in the bible without actually believing in a god... exactly. Ask them not to believe in a god but just do good things just for the sake if doing good things and they can't without instruction. We have never agreed on anything it's strange lol

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 07/07/15 11:59 AM
What I should have said is it would be pointless to join if you didn't want to be doing things that help other people rather than yourself. Is it practical to assume that someone should exert themselves so much at helping others without ever expecting the smallest amount of gratitude ? How long can One do this for ? ************************************************************************************************************************************ I think MightyMoe wans to join Your cause ! He's an exemplary Atheist even if he isn't a principled one.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 07/07/15 12:05 PM
Come On, MightyMoe... ! You don't believe in Good do You ?

mom333 Joined Sun 06/15/14 Posts: 1238	Tue 07/07/15 12:06 PM
What I should have said is it would be pointless to join if you didn't want to be doing things that help other people rather than yourself. Is it practical to assume that someone should exert themselves so much at helping others without ever expecting the smallest amount of gratitude ? How long can One do this for ? ************************************************************************************************************************************ I think MightyMoe wans to join Your cause ! He's an exemplary Atheist even if he isn't a principled one. doing things for other people doesn't mean you should abandon yourself at the end if the day we are all busy people. But you should every day try and help someone out not a dedicated day but every day without expecting anything in return. And in mightys defence he is honest.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 07/07/15 12:12 PM
Okay, what if these people whom You wish to help actually get violent toward You ? (It's Not Impossible, However Uncommon)

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 07/07/15 12:13 PM
Come On, MightyMoe... ! You don't believe in Good do You ? i think if everyone did, the world would be a better place...

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 07/07/15 12:18 PM
Well, there You have it... MightyMoe will join Mom333's new religion !

mom333 Joined Sun 06/15/14 Posts: 1238	Tue 07/07/15 12:22 PM
Okay, what if these people whom You wish to help actually get violent toward You ? (It's Not Impossible, However Uncommon) What if you got in a car and it skidded, what if one day you crossed the road and a car hit you, what if you got on a plane and it crashed, and then what if you helped a stray cat and it tried to scratch you, or what if you went on a date and they were super nutty. You would still do all those things because you wanted to because you have something to gain even though there are some pretty big risks involved.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 07/07/15 12:31 PM Edited by SheikOfLaBroquerie on Tue 07/07/15 12:38 PM
Firstly, I'd be in the wrong in the car accident. Secondly, I'd be surprised I'd survived a plane-crash. Thirdly, I'd avoid that Cat in the future. Fourthly, I'd avoid that Date in the future. I'm missing something here... MightyMoe, Your a Risk-Taker help me out ! >>>>>>>> The Atheists Prayer To The AlmightyMoe <<<<<<<<<< Oh Moe, deliver me from the wet surface and the burning wreckage. Oh Moe, keep the Cat-Scratch-Fever from me and Wacky Women. Amen.

mom333 Joined Sun 06/15/14 Posts: 1238	Tue 07/07/15 12:36 PM
Firstly, I'd be in the wrong in the car accident. Secondly, I'd be surprised I'd survived a plane-crash. Thirdly, I'd avoid that Cat in the future. Fourthly, I'd avoid that Date in the future. I'm missing something here... MightMoe, Your a Risk-Taker help me out ! you do things for yourself all the time what's wrong with helping someone else.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 07/07/15 12:42 PM
I'm not arguing that. Most of society wants to good things in a general way, but why would You want to build a religious format around venerating nothing ?

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 07/07/15 12:49 PM Edited by mightymoe on Tue 07/07/15 12:50 PM
I'm not arguing that. Most of society wants to good things in a general way, but why would You want to build a religious format around venerating nothing ? why would you be against it? doesn't god want everyone to be nice? or is it just the byproduct of doing as it says? is being nice more important or not going to hell? seems pretty selfish for people that are are believers, but their fear trumps everything... i just don't think a gods ego needs to be stroked as much as the bible thumpers think it does...

mom333 Joined Sun 06/15/14 Posts: 1238	Tue 07/07/15 12:50 PM
I'm not arguing that. Most of society wants to good things in a general way, but why would You want to build a religious format around venerating nothing ? cus it's not nothing it's actually everything.

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 07/07/15 12:53 PM
There are atheists bibles out there. Buddhists books. All kinds of things. So yes Quoted AGAIN! There are books out there. In any case...I was brought up religious. Born and raised and chose that path. But not all religious people are fire and brimestone....just saying

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 07/07/15 12:55 PM
Funny how my post was bypassed to argue. Got it