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Racism runs in the blood of most white people. Even here in mingle2 i only see racism in black people, not sure wtf your talking about... As a man "of colour", (a couple days a week) I'm sure I'll be offended at some point by that comment. 
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Racism like language is a learned behavior. You are not "born" a racist you are made one. Unfortunately I don't think that's entirely true ... We ARE born with a predefined set of believes and conviction. Maybe they're latent, but I think like the article says, you'd find that when the part with which you control your thoughts is shut down, you would react the same way. Hundreds of yours of thinking, believing that other people are bad/inferior/etc aren't wiped out with 1 generation's -if that- thinking differently. Read some Bruce Lipton, "the power of belief" to learn how all this works on cellular level. Body cells have a memory and that memory can go way way back. Resetting that memory ain't all that easy. Esp since it's a collective thing, like what Conrad was talking about. This kind of thing is not individual, it's collective. And changing that collective does take time. |
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Edited by
SparklingCrystal ππ
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Wed 06/24/15 02:25 AM
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What I am curious about: Have they made black people take this same test? Do they react the same way to us? I think they would.
I also seriously question whether you could label this as racism. I think it's quite logical that you feel more comfortable with people who look the same, behave the same, move the same way, have the same set of norms and values etc etc. Like a cat and a dog naturally wouldn't feel comfortable around each other, nor seek out each other's company. And from what I gather, Afr. Americans do not have the same behavioral patterns, are -deliberately- intimidating etc. To us. I hear the same thing from my girl in the south. When she goes to a shop in a slightly black neighborhood, or her college with lots of black people, they do intimidate, close to harassment, are disrespectful, simply behave in ways that white people wouldn't do. So in that sense I totally understand Charles & Moe. . . |
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CyrstalFairy asked >>> What I am curious about: Have they made black people take this same test? Do they react the same way to us? I think they would. Since this entire thread was derailed by our very own portrayer of the 'non-stop sexual deviant topics'; the reason and article has been over looked! No one is forced to 'take this test'; it's been used by corporations as an educational tool by corporations at Human Resource Seminars to 'EDUCATE HUMANS' to their unknown/hidden way of classifying humans = of all races. Now I'm re-thinking the reason 'WHY-I thought this was a GOOD IDEA'!!!  I took it and the method of the TESTING was what made me curious --- it's a frustrating endeavor to 'DO THE RIGHT THING' on that IAT exam! I was just wondering how others FELT ABOUT TAKING IT! 
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CyrstalFairy asked >>> What I am curious about: Have they made black people take this same test? Do they react the same way to us? I think they would. Since this entire thread was derailed by our very own portrayer of the 'non-stop sexual deviant topics'; the reason and article has been over looked! No one is forced to 'take this test'; it's been used by corporations as an educational tool by corporations at Human Resource Seminars to 'EDUCATE HUMANS' to their unknown/hidden way of classifying humans = of all races. Now I'm re-thinking the reason 'WHY-I thought this was a GOOD IDEA'!!! I took it and the method of the TESTING was what made me curious --- it's a frustrating endeavor to 'DO THE RIGHT THING' on that IAT exam! I was just wondering how others FELT ABOUT TAKING IT! I took the test...It was my first time...I went as fast as I could or very fast  ...My test results were as follows: Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for European American compared to African American. Only 4% of test takers score in the moderate range which I find very sad...  The test IMHO is absolute bullchit and would not ever be capable of garnering an accurate response from any person of any race....I can easily see why there is so much controversy attached to the question of WHAT the IAT is actually measuring...I do, however, agree that continuing research is valid and necessary because racism of any kind from any group is a negative... |
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You know how not to be a racist azzhole?
Don't be a racist azzhole. pretty simple 
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CyrstalFairy asked >>> What I am curious about: Have they made black people take this same test? Do they react the same way to us? I think they would. 2old2 replied >>> Since this entire thread was derailed by our very own portrayer of the 'non-stop sexual deviant topics'; the reason and article has been over looked! No one is forced to 'take this test'; it's been used by corporations as an educational tool by corporations at Human Resource Seminars to 'EDUCATE HUMANS' to their unknown/hidden way of classifying humans = of all races. Now I'm re-thinking the reason 'WHY-I thought this was a GOOD IDEA'!!! I took it and the method of the TESTING was what made me curious --- it's a frustrating endeavor to 'DO THE RIGHT THING' on that IAT exam! I was just wondering how others FELT ABOUT TAKING IT! Leigh stated >>> I took the test...It was my first time...I went as fast as I could or very fast ...My test results were as follows: Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for European American compared to African American. Only 4% of test takers score in the moderate range which I find very sad... The test IMHO is absolute bullchit and would not ever be capable of garnering an accurate response from any person of any race....I can easily see why there is so much controversy attached to the question of WHAT the IAT is actually measuring...I do, however, agree that continuing research is valid and necessary because racism of any kind from any group is a negative... See...my frustration with the 'METHOD' of this IAT testing was...well so infuriating I only took it once and scored 'mid range' pro European American; but the number of 'FORCED CHANGES' with those blasted X's made me wonder if --- that wasn't what they were actually measuring! As in how many of those you accumulated vs the attempt to mark what the test wanted/forced you to chose? Follow what I'm saying? |
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Edited by
Leigh2154
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Wed 06/24/15 07:02 AM
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CyrstalFairy asked >>> What I am curious about: Have they made black people take this same test? Do they react the same way to us? I think they would. 2old2 replied >>> Since this entire thread was derailed by our very own portrayer of the 'non-stop sexual deviant topics'; the reason and article has been over looked! No one is forced to 'take this test'; it's been used by corporations as an educational tool by corporations at Human Resource Seminars to 'EDUCATE HUMANS' to their unknown/hidden way of classifying humans = of all races. Now I'm re-thinking the reason 'WHY-I thought this was a GOOD IDEA'!!! I took it and the method of the TESTING was what made me curious --- it's a frustrating endeavor to 'DO THE RIGHT THING' on that IAT exam! I was just wondering how others FELT ABOUT TAKING IT! Leigh stated >>> I took the test...It was my first time...I went as fast as I could or very fast ...My test results were as follows: Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for European American compared to African American. Only 4% of test takers score in the moderate range which I find very sad... The test IMHO is absolute bullchit and would not ever be capable of garnering an accurate response from any person of any race....I can easily see why there is so much controversy attached to the question of WHAT the IAT is actually measuring...I do, however, agree that continuing research is valid and necessary because racism of any kind from any group is a negative... See...my frustration with the 'METHOD' of this IAT testing was...well so infuriating I only took it once and scored 'mid range' pro European American; but the number of 'FORCED CHANGES' with those blasted X's made me wonder if --- that wasn't what they were actually measuring! As in how many of those you accumulated vs the attempt to mark what the test wanted/forced you to chose? Follow what I'm saying? They were measuring automatic response and the test was TIMED...In other words, they did not want you to think, just react...Knowing that the test is a measure of racial preference going in would be a huge advantage to those who were shooting for a certain response...Also, the results of people with dyslexia, slow reaction time, suffering from lack of sleep or low blood sugar, and a myriad of other human 'conditions' could be skewed too...Again, I feel the test is total BS and I would not want to work for anyone who used it as part of their hiring process, nor would I have confidence in anyone who took the results as a accurate measurement of racial prejudice... |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Wed 06/24/15 07:16 AM
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Conrad_73 posted this article >>> Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man's genetic lineage,the notion that a man's intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors. Racism claims that the content of a man's mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man's convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical factors beyond his control. This is the caveman's version of the doctrine of innate ideas or of inherited knowledge,which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism, appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of animals, but not between animals and men. Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty. Racism negates two aspects of man's life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination. Racism, The Virtue of Selfishness, 126 http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/racism.html Conrad_73 made this comment >>> Mother Jones and Mooney are full of that Brown Stuff! Divisive Idiots! LMAO --- and yet Mr. Mooney was the one that took the IAT Racist test (3 times) and wrote the article about his οΏ½clairissement about this issue; sure blow the article off like it's got zero bearing on the social issues of our times!!! But you can't manage to stay on TOPIC about the IAT test and see where you stand; Like I told uche9aa..."racial biased doesn't just exude from 'WHITE PEOPLE'" --- and you are one of those 'LABEL MAKERS' that flood the political forum with one hit wonders of --- "that's a LIBERAL for you"   to Heck with that Test,it's worthless,as worthless as Mooney and Mother Jones!
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screw the Test,it's worthless,as worthless as Mooney and Mother Jones! Hehe, you so smart you break my heart... 
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CyrstalFairy asked >>> What I am curious about: Have they made black people take this same test? Do they react the same way to us? I think they would. Since this entire thread was derailed by our very own portrayer of the 'non-stop sexual deviant topics'; the reason and article has been over looked! No one is forced to 'take this test'; it's been used by corporations as an educational tool by corporations at Human Resource Seminars to 'EDUCATE HUMANS' to their unknown/hidden way of classifying humans = of all races. Now I'm re-thinking the reason 'WHY-I thought this was a GOOD IDEA'!!! I took it and the method of the TESTING was what made me curious --- it's a frustrating endeavor to 'DO THE RIGHT THING' on that IAT exam! I was just wondering how others FELT ABOUT TAKING IT! Not entirely sure why you say what you say concerning my posting. I raise questions that I think are real good questions, no reflections on you. And I didn't mean they make ppl take the test. I just wonder what the score would be if Afr. Americans would take the test, so the other way round so to speak. Everyone always focuses on white knocking black, but how does black regard us? Also concerning my question: IS it actually racism or a normal reaction to and preference for what is familiar, what you know? FOr instance, if I had the choice to live an a white neighbourhood or a black/purple/grey/green one, I go for white. Not because I'm a racist, but with white ppl I know what I can expect. I know how they react, live, talk, walk, think etc. In general of course. Meaning I choose that because it's familiar and what is familiar feels safe. Don't really get why you're so upset and regret posting this topic? I feel a lot of anger coming off you (not directed to anyone, general anger). I think it's a good thread. I might take that test later... too busy right now. |
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screw the Test,it's worthless,as worthless as Mooney and Mother Jones! Hehe, you so smart you break my heart...  
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Taken these kinds of tests in cognitive psych on different races,ages,genders and sexuality. Yes they are measuring scores based on reaction time and looking at the areas where there might be a slight pause before answering.Yes many variables may skew the score
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Edited by
2OLD2MESSAROUND
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Wed 06/24/15 07:29 AM
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CyrstalFairy posted >>> FOr instance, if I had the choice to live an a white neighbourhood or a black/purple/grey/green one, I go for white. Not because I'm a racist, but with white ppl I know what I can expect. I know how they react, live, talk, walk, think etc. In general of course. Meaning I choose that because it's familiar and what is familiar feels safe. Don't really get why you're so upset and regret posting this topic? I feel a lot of anger coming off you (not directed to anyone, general anger). I think it's a good thread. No anger in my typing - frustration maybe; but no ANGER! Your comment was using the word 'MADE'; so my explanation was about the basis for the IAT testing and the method behind it. Uchea derailed this thread and then the 'pack attack' just flowed from that point on! I was interested in peoples reactions to how the IAT test was managed --- it's not a mandatory issue --- more like; did you find it odd in the same way that I did! Curiosity drives my brain and this IAT testing is really---ODD!  Edited for correction: wasn't forced it was the word "MADE" LOL |
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Edited by
2OLD2MESSAROUND
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Wed 06/24/15 07:30 AM
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Tmommy stated >>> Taken these kinds of tests in cognitive psych on different races,ages,genders and sexuality. Yes they are measuring scores based on reaction time and looking at the areas where there might be a slight pause before answering.Yes many variables may skew the score I've been hoping you'd weigh in this IAT exam; it's one of the most bizarre emotional testing theories I've ever come across; really frustrating in the way that the speed and limited response forces the tester to reply! Even when the response to the 'UGLY vs GOOD' are opposite of what you've chosen you get a X and have to remark that image!!! ODD - just really 'ODD'!!! |
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Edited by
2OLD2MESSAROUND
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Wed 06/24/15 07:55 AM
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I've posted my OPINION on a couple of other topic about my "Love for My Country - but my Fear Of My Government" and as with so many things that colleges and THINK TANKS get grant money for this IAT method is rather oddly skewed and I'd love to see the 'HIDDEN' formula for the data collection process!
Meanwhile things like this >>> Army tested mustard gas on WWII soldiers grouped by race and compared results against 'οΏ½οΏ½normal'οΏ½οΏ½ whites Raw Story οΏ½ 1 day ago The Pentagon admitted decades ago to using American troops to conduct experiments with mustard gas, but a recent Keep popping up over & over again into our daily lives; and the VA has still denied access to hundreds of those 'guinea pig' patients that were unknowingly tested with this Mustard Gas! The VA's Broken Promise To Thousands Of Vets Exposed To Mustard Gas NPR News οΏ½ 1 day ago To date, these policies have not been applied to World War II vets who were exposed to mustard gas. Officials at the Pentagon tell NPR it's |
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Edited by
Leigh2154
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Wed 06/24/15 08:11 AM
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CyrstalFairy asked >>> What I am curious about: Have they made black people take this same test? Do they react the same way to us? I think they would. Since this entire thread was derailed by our very own portrayer of the 'non-stop sexual deviant topics'; the reason and article has been over looked! No one is forced to 'take this test'; it's been used by corporations as an educational tool by corporations at Human Resource Seminars to 'EDUCATE HUMANS' to their unknown/hidden way of classifying humans = of all races. Now I'm re-thinking the reason 'WHY-I thought this was a GOOD IDEA'!!! I took it and the method of the TESTING was what made me curious --- it's a frustrating endeavor to 'DO THE RIGHT THING' on that IAT exam! I was just wondering how others FELT ABOUT TAKING IT! Not entirely sure why you say what you say concerning my posting. I raise questions that I think are real good questions, no reflections on you. And I didn't mean they make ppl take the test. I just wonder what the score would be if Afr. Americans would take the test, so the other way round so to speak. Everyone always focuses on white knocking black, but how does black regard us? Also concerning my question: IS it actually racism or a normal reaction to and preference for what is familiar, what you know? FOr instance, if I had the choice to live an a white neighbourhood or a black/purple/grey/green one, I go for white. Not because I'm a racist, but with white ppl I know what I can expect. I know how they react, live, talk, walk, think etc. In general of course. Meaning I choose that because it's familiar and what is familiar feels safe. Don't really get why you're so upset and regret posting this topic? I feel a lot of anger coming off you (not directed to anyone, general anger). I think it's a good thread. I might take that test later... too busy right now. I feel/felt it too ...Glad she clarified it as frustration cause anger and aggression make it hard to comment if you fear the reaction...I agree, I think it's a good thread...It opens the door for some 'friendly' conversation about racism and interesting takes on a controversial testing proceedure...
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Edited by
2OLD2MESSAROUND
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Wed 06/24/15 09:02 AM
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CrystalFairy stated >>> FOr instance, if I had the choice to live an a white neighbourhood or a black/purple/grey/green one, I go for white. Not because I'm a racist, but with white ppl I know what I can expect. I know how they react, live, talk, walk, think etc. In general of course. Meaning I choose that because it's familiar and what is familiar feels safe. You bring up a segment from the article that the IAT was centered around; 'How Humans Are Herd' typical in the way we think & live! Yes, as much as we love to think that we're all so noble in our 'LOVE ALL THOSE OTHER COLORED HUMANS'...the reality is we are NOT so comfortable about relocating to within their midst! Regardless of what nationality/color of our skin. It's an interesting read and Mooney did a excellent job; but one would have to OPEN THE MIND and read the article and attachments to learn --- HUH, Conrad_73
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Edited by
SparklingCrystal ππ
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Wed 06/24/15 01:26 PM
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CrystalFairy stated >>> FOr instance, if I had the choice to live an a white neighbourhood or a black/purple/grey/green one, I go for white. Not because I'm a racist, but with white ppl I know what I can expect. I know how they react, live, talk, walk, think etc. In general of course. Meaning I choose that because it's familiar and what is familiar feels safe. You bring up a segment from the article that the IAT was centered around; 'How Humans Are Herd' typical in the way we think & live! Yes, as much as we love to think that we're all so noble in our 'LOVE ALL THOSE OTHER COLORED HUMANS'...the reality is we are NOT so comfortable about relocating to within their midst! Regardless of what nationality/color of our skin. It's an interesting read and Mooney did a excellent job; but one would have to OPEN THE MIND and read the article and attachments to learn --- HUH, Conrad_73 I try to be realistic about it. I've lived in Jakarta for a year and a half. Being a part of a minority as a white young woman, as most of course are Indonesian. So I've experienced that, lot of harassment, visual rape, groping etc etc.. Never being able to go anywhere unnoticed. I've lived in an Aboriginal community for half a year, also a minority, few white ppl, most Aboriginal. I would have stayed there for the rest of my life, given the chance. But still fully aware that I could NEVER really be one of them, because my culture, my roots are totally different. And you cannot ever deny your roots. Nor do I want to. I did when I was younger. Now I know you just can't. You live and learn. Like my girl won't ever be an American, not even if she lives there for the rest of her life. Her roots are Dutch and always will be. There will be adjustment of course, but she'll still remain Dutch. Over here we got a lot of fellow coloured human beings as well. But not like what you got in the States. That situation is really unique. There is no other country in the world where neither black or white is native to the country, got there around the same time, and had to build up the country together. In an unbalanced situation due to slavery. There is no other country in the world with that same scenario that I can think of. So the entire issue in The States, and how the heck to solve it, is unique. So you cannot really look to another country to see how they done it. ANd from what I've learnt since being here, movies, stories and experiences from my daughter, the problems are quite substantial. The problems over here in my country have mostly to do with cultural differences, which are mostly based on religion. But I believe I am digressing (not sure anymore now, lol) . . |
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CrystalFairy stated >>> FOr instance, if I had the choice to live an a white neighbourhood or a black/purple/grey/green one, I go for white. Not because I'm a racist, but with white ppl I know what I can expect. I know how they react, live, talk, walk, think etc. In general of course. Meaning I choose that because it's familiar and what is familiar feels safe. 2old2 replied >>> You bring up a segment from the article that the IAT was centered around; 'How Humans Are Herd' typical in the way we think & live! Yes, as much as we love to think that we're all so noble in our 'LOVE ALL THOSE OTHER COLORED HUMANS'...the reality is we are NOT so comfortable about relocating to within their midst! Regardless of what nationality/color of our skin. It's an interesting read and Mooney did a excellent job; but one would have to OPEN THE MIND and read the article and attachments to learn --- HUH, Conrad_73 crystalfairy stated >>> I try to be realistic about it. I've lived in Jakarta for a year and a half. Being a part of a minority as a white young woman, as most of course are Indonesian. So I've experienced that, lot of harassment, visual rape, groping etc etc.. Never being able to go anywhere unnoticed. I've lived in an Aboriginal community for half a year, also a minority, few white ppl, most Aboriginal. I would have stayed there for the rest of my life, given the chance. But still fully aware that I could NEVER really be one of them, because my culture, my roots are totally different. And you cannot ever deny your roots. Nor do I want to. I did when I was younger. Now I know you just can't. You live and learn. Like my girl won't ever be an American, not even if she lives there for the rest of her life. Her roots are Dutch and always will be. There will be adjustment of course, but she'll still remain Dutch. Over here we got a lot of fellow coloured human beings as well. But not like what you got in the States. That situation is really unique. There is no other country in the world where neither black or white is native to the country, got there around the same time, and had to build up the country together. In an unbalanced situation due to slavery. There is no other country in the world with that same scenario that I can think of. So the entire issue in The States, and how the heck to solve it, is unique. So you cannot really look to another country to see how they done it. ANd from what I've learnt since being here, movies, stories and experiences from my daughter, the problems are quite substantial. The problems over here in my country have mostly to do with cultural differences, which are mostly based on religion. But I believe I am digressing (not sure anymore now, lol) NP...that was fascinating reading; I've no great longevity here and learning about your/others dynamic backgrounds and global living scenarios is...well greatly appreciated. Your life and times has given you such a panorama view of the world that we all live on --- that's says a lot! TY for sharing...that's never boring and suits this thread perfectly! |
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