This might make it a little easier anoasis.....when God put Adam and Eve in the Garden....they were pure sinless...and all he asked them was to not eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge....But Satan in the form of a serphant decieved eve and they both ate the fruit....which was a great sin to God...and before when they did not see their nakedness...they now did....they sinned...

So everyone no matter what sins and alot....even the holy then thou christians....but because of what Christ did for us you can ask for forgiveness and it is granted. Now that doesn't mean that you can live a life of sin and hating God and expect to say forgive me and thats it....theres more to it.....

loved the chart spider......

Thankyou Spider for sharing your thoughts, and for showing others, what it is you feel is right for you.

Thankyou Abra, for sharing your thoughts, and for showing others what you feel is right for you.

And Thank You Jess for sharing your thoughts, and for showing others, what is right.

my point of view in both charts:

spider's: i do that everyday, but my concern is not avoid hell. I do that because I love God, and what u r saying there is my way to love God. Salvation is just a consequence of my love to God.

Abra's: a man can't judge and party.

Disclaimer: just my point of view.

somebody around asked what it was hell:
and for me, and just for me and noone else.
Hell is the nonpresence of God.
Through this i can understand when some people say that hell is right here. Ofcourse it is when we don't have God in our lifes.
I can't be in deep pain through a terminal disease, but i have God with it will not be hell for me.

correction:
a man can't be judge and party

Jess wrote:
“Thankyou Abra, for sharing your thoughts, and for showing others what you feel is right for you.”

Thank you Jess. And I agree that everyone must follow their own path. If other people feel a calling to take the path of sin that’s certainly there prerogative. I just hope that they choose to commit mild sins that don’t harm others.

Anoasis wrote:
“If you have the time and inclination could you please repost the page where you put some of the poems you wrote for some of us?”

Here are some links to stuff I’ve done in the past. I’ve been thinking about writing some new stuff but I need some muses. Someone needs to start a muse thread for positive thoughts. See if we can get away from all this sin and damnation crap. It’s so negative. I actually started writing a story called “Playdough Island” but due to lack of muses I quit.

The JSH toepainting party (Sparked in Jess’ disorganized philosophy thread)
http://www.csonline.net/designer/ideas/feet.htm

The JSH cat party. (Sparked when we danced around the fire to save the cats)
http://www.csonline.net/designer/ideas/cats.htm

These stories and poems were written before I came to JSH but many of the members who are in these stories also came to JSH.
http://www.csonline.net/designer/story/

The following is a guitar and flute duet that I wrote.
http://www.csonline.net/designer/ideas/Fantasy.mid

There were some other pages but I wrote over them.

Thanks Abra.