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Topic: FAMILY ..... TABOO
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Fri 05/22/15 06:03 PM

after watching a movie series of “ american style taboo" I must ask that how much this taboo thing exist in families?
having sex or sexual feelings for family members... even I read a couple of news in Google where mother or son has been jailed after founding sexual relations between them.
sometimes I think that these are the few true cases which have been came to known. but in reality how much this is spread without knowing (m not talking about only mom //son , it could be any family members)

My QUESTION is that as a human body behavior or biologically (not mythically or religions)... how far it's good//bad//reasonable//thoughtful//anything else ?



PacificStar48's photo
Fri 05/22/15 06:39 PM

Ms Harmony, your comments disturb me. scared


You are not the only one.

But people who justify what they do with psycho-babble usually scare me.

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Fri 05/22/15 06:45 PM
I think you all misread.

I don't personally 'do' homosexual or incestuous relationships.

I don't personally believe either type of relationship is natural or right or healthy.


I am only expressing how taboos change using homosexuality as an example and all the phases of its acceptance(same body parts vs same family members, and heightened risk of hiv passed along vs heightened risk of genetic deformity passed on )

as an example of what may someday happen to the taboo perception of ADULT incest.

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Sun 05/24/15 05:53 AM
Soooo, the story line put out by 'Ma & Pa Duggar' just keeps changing: there never was any clinical counseling provided to Josh so chances are that none of his 4 sisters that he molested received any either!!!

GREAT...good bible thumpers = LIARS! rant

Josh Duggar Records Destroyed By Arkansas Police At Judge's Request
The Huffington Post|By Hilary Hanson Posted:05/23/2015

A 2006 police report, which was obtained by In Touch before its destruction, indicates that family patriarch Jim Bob Duggar knew as early as 2002 that Josh Duggar -- who was 14 at the time -- was accused of sexually abusing an underage girl. The teen was ultimately accused of inappropriately touching five underage girls, some of whom were his sisters, between 2002 and 2003.

Police did not find out about the allegations until 2006, when they were tipped off to a letter discussing the incidents, the AP reports. A family friend had lent another person a book, and the letter was stuck inside.

The police report obtained by In Touch indicates Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar told police in 2006 that they had disciplined their son themselves.

The couple allegedly said that they sent Josh Duggar to a “Christian program” that “consisted of physical hard work and counseling.” Michelle Duggar later admitted that they actually just sent him to live with a family friend to help with a home remodeling business, according to In Touch.


I'll say it again: there is no cure for this deviant behavior and now he's got his own little girl and one on the way to pervert!!!
WRONG - MORALLY - TOTALLY WRONG pitchfork

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Sun 05/24/15 06:50 AM
the problem I have with the whole story is this

" inappropriately touching five underage girls"


what does that consist of for a boy entering puberty? is it actual penetration,, that would be one extreme

or is it curious fondling or touching,,,which would be far less of an awful or hard to understand action for a boy entering puberty living within that large of an isolated community

I would love to actually hear what the girls involved have to say and find it odd that at no time do any of these narratives include their complaints or recollection of events,,,,or that they ever even made any

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Sun 05/24/15 07:00 AM

the problem I have with the whole story is this

" inappropriately touching five underage girls"

what does that consist of for a boy entering puberty? is it actual penetration,, that would be one extreme

or is it curious fondling or touching,,,which would be far less of an awful or hard to understand action for a boy entering puberty living within that large of an isolated community

I would love to actually hear what the girls involved have to say and find it odd that at no time do any of these narratives include their complaints or recollection of events,,,,or that they ever even made any


Hmmm...perhaps you might have taken the time to read the other posts that provided what 'JOSH' admitted to by his own words: "4 of my sisters" since this has been just a huge big cover up and even Sainted Oprah never blew the whistle on it --- where/what/to whom were those 4 siblings supposed to go speak to? Circa 2002 - 2003??? After all...these incestuous events are the 'DARK FAMILY SECRETS' that the OP was asking about; even Americans don't like discussing these events and yet the 'Faith Based Communities' are often some of the most abused females among our society!

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Sun 05/24/15 07:04 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 05/24/15 07:05 AM


the problem I have with the whole story is this

" inappropriately touching five underage girls"

what does that consist of for a boy entering puberty? is it actual penetration,, that would be one extreme

or is it curious fondling or touching,,,which would be far less of an awful or hard to understand action for a boy entering puberty living within that large of an isolated community

I would love to actually hear what the girls involved have to say and find it odd that at no time do any of these narratives include their complaints or recollection of events,,,,or that they ever even made any


Hmmm...perhaps you might have taken the time to read the other posts that provided what 'JOSH' admitted to by his own words: "4 of my sisters" since this has been just a huge big cover up and even Sainted Oprah never blew the whistle on it --- where/what/to whom were those 4 siblings supposed to go speak to? Circa 2002 - 2003??? After all...these incestuous events are the 'DARK FAMILY SECRETS' that the OP was asking about; even Americans don't like discussing these events and yet the 'Faith Based Communities' are often some of the most abused females among our society!


come now

honey boo boos family
crosby stills and nash daughter

once people have grown , and one person talks about it (especially the offender) others involved 'come out' and talk about things like this if they happened

what I read the man say is that he did something inappropriate or there was no excuse or whatever

but I still have seen nowhere a true DESCRIPTION of what he did


and I still have read only that this is a third party revelation, from a third party perspective, initially

and that the parents have said they disciplined him , but not for what

and that he doesnt feel he should have done WHATEVER it was

this story still lacks the component of what actually happened

and since it could be anything from touching or fondling to something more extreme (rarely do I hear sexual activity described merely as 'inappropriate touching')

I refrain from jumping to what may be a reaction of inappropriate judging or outrage

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Sun 05/24/15 07:22 AM
Edited by 2OLD2MESSAROUND on Sun 05/24/15 07:23 AM
MsHarmony stated >>>
and since it could be anything from touching or fondling to something more extreme (rarely do I hear sexual activity described merely as 'inappropriate touching')


LOL...polite wording for a perpetrator that wasn't/didn't have charges filed against him: ie his title would have been 'Pedophile/Child Molester'...but if you ever worked with the court system for CPS you'd be aware of these things. :wink:

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Sun 05/24/15 07:39 AM

MsHarmony stated >>>
and since it could be anything from touching or fondling to something more extreme (rarely do I hear sexual activity described merely as 'inappropriate touching')


LOL...polite wording for a perpetrator that wasn't/didn't have charges filed against him: ie his title would have been 'Pedophile/Child Molester'...but if you ever worked with the court system for CPS you'd be aware of these things. :wink:



another assumption that is nowhere clarified in what has been shared here,,,,,



I still dont know what the actual offense was, and noone going only on this thread does either,,,

PacificStar48's photo
Sun 05/24/15 09:35 AM

I think you all misread.

I don't personally 'do' homosexual or incestuous relationships.

I don't personally believe either type of relationship is natural or right or healthy.


I am only expressing how taboos change using homosexuality as an example and all the phases of its acceptance(same body parts vs same family members, and heightened risk of hiv passed along vs heightened risk of genetic deformity passed on )

as an example of what may someday happen to the taboo perception of ADULT incest.



Comparing Adult Homosexual behavior to Perverts who hurt children is like comparing oranges to rotten apples. One crime is based on permission of two consenting adults the other on assault of a defenseless child. But perverts using the arguments that we will one day use children and it will be accepted is something I do not think normal people will ever agree with even if a minority of people do it.

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Sun 05/24/15 09:54 AM


I think you all misread.

I don't personally 'do' homosexual or incestuous relationships.

I don't personally believe either type of relationship is natural or right or healthy.


I am only expressing how taboos change using homosexuality as an example and all the phases of its acceptance(same body parts vs same family members, and heightened risk of hiv passed along vs heightened risk of genetic deformity passed on )

as an example of what may someday happen to the taboo perception of ADULT incest.



Comparing Adult Homosexual behavior to Perverts who hurt children is like comparing oranges to rotten apples. One crime is based on permission of two consenting adults the other on assault of a defenseless child. But perverts using the arguments that we will one day use children and it will be accepted is something I do not think normal people will ever agree with even if a minority of people do it.


this is why I clarified ADULT incest

two consenting adults,, just like heterosexual or homosexual ADULT relationships

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Sun 05/24/15 09:59 AM
MsHarmony stated >>>
I think you all misread.
I don't personally 'do' homosexual or incestuous relationships.

I don't personally believe either type of relationship is natural or right or healthy.

I am only expressing how taboos change using homosexuality as an example and all the phases of its acceptance(same body parts vs same family members, and heightened risk of hiv passed along vs heightened risk of genetic deformity passed on )

as an example of what may someday happen to the taboo perception of ADULT incest.


PacificStar stated >>>
Comparing Adult Homosexual behavior to Perverts who hurt children is like comparing oranges to rotten apples. One crime is based on permission of two consenting adults the other on assault of a defenseless child. But perverts using the arguments that we will one day use children and it will be accepted is something I do not think normal people will ever agree with even if a minority of people do it.


EXACTLY...but the humans that just can't fathom that people DON'T CHOSE to be HOMOSEXUALS; Oh, well frustrated

And for a time line for the 'Josh Duggar' story/finite facts and all...http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/05/23/a-timeline-of-the-molestation-allegations-against-josh-duggar/

I'm always sadly disappointed by the publics denial when it comes to yet another 'BIBLE THUMPING' group/human that get caught with a repugnant molesting issue and it's as ugly an issue as the OP'd narrative that brought us all together here! But the ability for 'MEN'...yes, even brainwashed bible believing men to do what Josh has done {and he admitted to it} to his 4 sisters and a female friend should never have been allowed to go without a court hearing - PERIOD! IMO...and now that it was his siblings and they were able to get the judge to destroy the police files --- no charges will likely ever be placed against Josh!

Will that suddenly change him from a pedophile into a righteous man --- that would be the first pervert ever cured by that method!!! grumble


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Sun 05/24/15 10:13 AM
Im not sure a teen can be labeled a 'pedophile'

I read that whole article and still no mention of the ages of the other KIDS at the time and no mention of what he aCTUALLY DID,, specifically

so, I am still suppressing any leap to judgment or condemnation, I prefer to know WHAT I am condemning first


its only denial when there are FACTS to deny,,,,

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Sun 05/24/15 02:32 PM


after watching a movie series of “ american style taboo" I must ask that how much this taboo thing exist in families?
having sex or sexual feelings for family members... even I read a couple of news in Google where mother or son has been jailed after founding sexual relations between them.
sometimes I think that these are the few true cases which have been came to known. but in reality how much this is spread without knowing (m not talking about only mom //son , it could be any family members)

My QUESTION is that as a human body behavior or biologically (not mythically or religions)... how far it's good//bad//reasonable//thoughtful//anything else ?



taboos exist for a reason

it was once taboo to have homosexual relationship,, it was once explained as a lifestyle with high risk of passing on std

but with the education of safe sex, that reason became quieted and the 'taboo' was lifted to leave 'consenting adults' to determine their own relations and be protected and accomodated

I suspect, the taboo of incest, at least consenting adult incest will follow that same precedent... the concern about genetic deformity can also be diminished by focusing on the option for safe sex. If passing on disease is minimalized via safe sex, certainly passing on a child is too.

and , not only that, but with science turning nature on its head (manipulated the anatomy to appear something other than the natural born gender and using hormones to manipulate the body)

I also have no doubt science will find the way to have screenings to determine whether a child will have these genetic markers so women can LEGALLY abort.

and voila,, no more reason to object to 'consenting adults' deciding they want to be together


,,,,taboos change over time, but taboo is no longer pc, and one day there will be taboo against treating anyones choice as taboo..lol






though its doesn't feel good to read what you said ....but I think that its can't be deny .
especially what I see in your comment is logic ....you got a point.

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Sun 05/24/15 02:35 PM

Ms Harmony, your comments disturb me. scared
what

rindamin666's photo
Sun 05/24/15 02:44 PM


Ms Harmony, your comments disturb me. scared


You are not the only one.

But people who justify what they do with psycho-babble usually scare me.


SOME .....TRUTH........ HURTS ....
sad

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