A while ago, we( NYC) had a police commissioner ( Benjamin Ward) who during a press conference on the increasing number of violet crimes in the city was asked " who is committing these crimes". He paused ( I'll never forget) and then said.. o.k...lets just stop the charade.. its blacks committing the majority of the violet crimes here.. and it is black on black.

Benjamin Ward is black. He rose thru the ranks from a foot patrolman to lead the biggest police department in the U.S.. He was very well respected by the rank and file.. and the city .. and the citizens.

Because he had a knack for telling it the way it is

and the reason for Apartheid was?

South Africa after Apartheid has now one of the highest crime rates in the world, especially rape and murder. Much of it black on black but some black on whites. The lucky, who can afford to, live in gated communities. Much like here in the US.

All true & graciously stated. But I still do not see the connection between African Aparteid & the deceased Commission across the Atlantic. ?
Crime (& hearing about it in the media now, unlike before) is on the rise on the whole planet.
IDK.? perhaps you are referring to civil unrest ? Or racial tensions escalating? Or even civil war? ... A country divided by it's own POLITICAL leaders? * or is the later, just my analysis? *

Sorry, I didn't realize the commissioner you mentioned was deceased, my bad. But he hit the nail on the head. Black crime whether black on black or other is a big part of the problem here. Police, although some bad, are not the main problem.

Yep.. that is why people loved him. He wanted truth & justice. With that many people, condensed, on top of each other, that many races & cultures & religions (it really is a melting pot), & that large of a police force.... people needed structure & order, without personal infringement.

But OUR Mind set has changed here & perhaps the world. And WE went from terrible injustices, to tolerance & exceptance... to a BLAME GAME (nobody does anything wrong & it's not their fault

*Post Script Disclaimer: I am by NO means suggesting or promoting the agenda of a National Police/ O.W.O , society, bank, or religion. Anyone who knows me knows that.... but I NEED to say it. *

bad guys hate good cops

but good people have a disdain for bad cops

and they do exist and should be dealt with by the people whom they are PAID to protect,,,,

Are there more bad guys or more bad cops?

in raw numbers, it would seem logical for there to be more bad 'guys' if we are speaking civilians


if we are talking proportion,, it might be harder to discern,,,,because the law so often hides the bad cops,, while being very quick to persecute and make examples of bad guys

Putting ones life on the line everyday makes every situation potentially deadly. Every action can have different results. That it's self can make a good cop seem bad.
I would not want to do the job they do. Would you?

So...
What exactly, is the problem
with making examples of "bad guys"?

no, and I also wouldn't want to be a doctor as I dont like blood, but expect doctors not to let patients die

and I wouldn't want to be a dentist as I dont like germs, but I expect dentists not to drill a hole in someones cheek instead of their tooth

point being, if you sign up for and are trained in and paid for a job , you are held to a higher standard in that job than anyone who is not

so, we'll have to be happy that 99% of them do their job as they are trained.

and that 98 percent of blacks arent committing crimes

but that doesnt make me 'happy' about those who do

or about the cops who are not doing their job

What does that have to do with the subject of this thread? There is no reason to believe that either of these officers were nothing but great public servants....and they were killed for what? Because some already convicted thug didnt wanna go BACK to prison because he had an illegal weapon? And was breaking the law AGAIN by having said weapon? And three others helped him?
These officers WERE doing the right thing and paid for it with their lives. Find another example to rant about "bad cops"....this one aint it.

IM following the flow of the conversation

the post before mine stated in response to some cops being bad that they have a difficult job that I wouldn't want to do

the original topic is the tragic death of what appears to be two 'good' cops, which I did immediately comment on being grateful the suspects were apprehended and charged

the topic has also included the subject of the 'real' problem of 'black on black' crime, and some rationalizations about why cops may be killing people and why it shouldnt be something we rally about because we dont appear to rally about 'black on black 'crime

one of the cool/interesting things about mingle, is the way threads can morph into many directions, but I am usually going with the 'flow' and often responding to a post immediately before my own