Predestination?


this movie was totally weird, so jane is the baby jane had with jane,,,? wth?

haven't seen it... is it good?

have you watched "Interstellar" yet? if not, try it, it was pretty good, for a Matthew McConaughey movie

strange more like

very strange

i'll check it out, i like strange...thanks

ugh, just watched it... your right...

to many janes and johns...

made me wonder how it all started in the first place...

right?

i guess Ethan Hawk needed work at the time when they asked him to do this movie... doesn't fit his usual roles...

I agree.

It was messed up that they made her a man after she had the baby though , without consent or notice.

i thought that same thing...


and, it bothered me that even tho she was more than qualified for the space program, they wouldn't accept her, before or after manhood...

Spoilers much?!

Actually Ethan Hawke has worked with the directors of this movie before in the film "Daybreakers" and he's a big fan of their ability to create sci-fi worlds that feel fleshed out.

I thought predestination was excellent, and if you get bored and want to read the seven page short story that it was based on ("All You Zombies") then it's available online. Some good lines in there.

I absolutely love this movie and found certain elements of it to be haunting. The line that he has when he states, "I know where I came from, but where do all you zombies come from?" had a significant meaning to me, in terms of the movie and even some of its implications in our everyday lives.

The movie was about the idea of predestination (I know, the title), but also the Oroboros idea of a snake eating its tail, no beginning, no end. There's the idea of the "grandfather paradox" in time travel... such as, if you went back in time and killed yourself you would have never had the chance to go back in time to kill yourself. This has the predestination paradox, in the sense that time is immutable and the time traveler has already traveled to make any and all events occur. So... we're simply watching something that cannot be changed, and while seeming extremely fantastic to us, by the end of this character's tragic journey through a complete physical and spiritual transformation, it becomes a necessary commonplace for Ethan Hawke's character.

And that's what stuck out to me, regarding the zombies line. I think that in a way our main character here is grasping to his sense of any identity, and in such, any humanity left, and at the same time scathing the rest of the non-time traveling population for living their lives sequestered in the same trap of inevitability, only leading lives that never allow them to become self-aware.

Since we're all snakes eating our own tales in this world that would make Ethan Hawke the only person that has felt the process of self-devouring.

So... yeah. Not trying to write a dissertation, but I thought the movie was excellent, and obviously in something as ambitious as this weird story there will be plot holes, even in our suspension of disbelief.

Way better than Boyhood. Haha.

it was ok, i liked it, but the biggest plot hole made the storyline invalid:

in what possible scenario could that have started?