I think your post works both sides of the coin....

I am sorry about your cancer and how you got it... Yes, a lot of experimental chemo therapeutic drugs are used for cancer... Some even just in the phase II or III studies... But I will not comment on that.... Except for risk: benefit ratio...

Vaccines, however are a different matter, since the goal is not treatment, but prevention. They have to finish the study before using it on a wide scale... And used in adults first before kids...... Even the Ebola vaccine was only used in the outbreak as an emergency measure and on a small scale and on those in the medical field only since testing has not been concluded.... I believe it even sparked an outrage in some communities as to why it was " good enough to be used by the medical professionals but not on the affected African population ".....

There is never a one size fits all when it comes to medicine. That is precisely the reason why Prospective RCT's for medicine, vaccines and other biological agents take so long and cost so much... There are a lot of variables to be taken into consideration....

You can't make a vaccine that will induce antibody production without the protein from the bug that will trigger the production...

The virus vaccines are indeed made from the virus itself... It is live but attenuated, hence the systemic reaction that may happen... It is still better than the full blown illness... The carrier protein is egg protein, hence the allergenicity and the manufacturer precaution label..

There are vaccines made from the bacterial toxins itself and bacterial cell wall also, like the DPT, which are actually the proteins that induces the immunogenicity of the vaccine and boosts the antibody production.... However, a safer DTaP vaccine has been developed and is in use in the first world countries, mainly due to the lesser side effects from the pertussis component.... Leaving the more side effect prone, but much cheaper DPT vaccine for the use of third world countries... Side effects are better than death...

As for metals.... I think there are production issues on contamination, leading to the recall of vaccine batches.... However, if there are issues on metal content in vaccines... I do believe it is well below the limit for inducing any toxicity, even with booster doses....

If you think about the toxicity levels of lead, mercury, organophosphates etc in our daily diet, such as some seafoods, pesticides on farming, antibiotics and steroids on livestock... The levels of airborne pollution ..... Kinda sounds inevitable to have toxic materials pass through our bodies....

The video goes into great detail on vaccines, pro and con.

I refused any treatment opting only for pain meds and have gone into remission with the help of my own auto-immune system, not cancer drugs.

By the time most vaccines hit the market any "threat" they were manufactured to prevent has usually passed in the US since the Industrial Revolution.

Ebola was not a concern to the US because of our economy, food processing practices and the ability to keep ourselves clean. Third World countries are not so fortunate.

Whenever you introduce a vaccine to the system it tears down your auto-immune properties and can make you dependent on systematic "boosters" further destroying it and building a reliance on the foreign substance to combat illness.

This is a good thing?

I am a lover of the sciences and applaud the breakthroughs we have made in the field of medicine, but the drug companies care about one thing....PROFITS!

Those profits come from sick people! So what is their major motivation?

Watched TV lately? .....or should I say "Commercial Television"?

Banks and Drugs..... the backbone of America!

I'm a little confused about the issue now... Is it the vaccine, is it the drug comp, or is it the profiteering?

In any case..... I think public health is the main issue as to why vaccinations for kids are supposedly mandatory....

The US being a country of immigrants, I'm sure is well aware of the issues of not vaccinating and travel related and immigrant related illnesses...I, myself had to get skin tested when I studied there for middle school...

Also, I think any epidemic is the concern of all health systems, due to international travels... more so the US, since the CDC is based there...

The body is an amazing creation... But we can't have it all... Like I mentioned, vaccines are not a cure-all, they are for prevention....And they do a pretty good job at decreasing mortality and morbidity.... I say hey, if the US wants to go lax on their vaccination policies, they can always ship the vaccines to other countries for free. :)...That would be one way to find out if it works or not.

I applaud your courage and positivity in the handling of your cancer. It is indeed very good to know that your have developed the mentality to assist your body in self healing. More power to you!

Hi ((((Soul)))). ..Well sweetie, you've got us thinking and reading so that is a very good thing!

I found this and thought it was worth posting...


Vaccinations: Pros & Cons
by Rebecca Dirks, ND

General Vaccination Information
School immunization laws: All states have exemptions for medical contraindications, 47 states have exemptions for religious beliefs against vaccination & 15 states have exemptions for philosophical reasons to oppose vaccination.

Washington State has both exemptions available.
Schools will send the child home for days if there is an outbreak (for the child's protection)

Taking exemption from vaccination requires time & responsibility of the parents. Educating your child on proper behavior to minimize disease is very important.

Doctors are required to provide vaccine information statements before administering the vaccine.

Breast-feeding does protect the child from diseases through the mother’s immunity but it does not protect against Pertussis.

Vaccination timing: Typically, the 1st shot in a series provides full immunity to 70% of the population. The 2nd shot in the series brings it up to 80% & the 3rd to 90% of the population.

A blood test can be done to show immunity to a disease after vaccination or after contracting the disease (antibodies will present in the bloodstream).

Immunizations provide long-term immunity, not lifetime immunity.

Most of the vaccines given now do not contain live virus.

Vaccines can cause allergic reactions/ sensitivities to certain foods like eggs & gelatin as well as certain medications (antibiotics).

Severe allergies to eggs, gelatin or antibiotics can result in severe deadly reactions to a vaccine containing these substances.

Consider the risks of contracting the disease in your decision to immunize your child. High risks include overseas travel, frequent plane or bus travel, urban day care or school, & poor sanitary conditions.

Vaccination Internet Hype:

American health authorities are considering a complete change of policy in the face of strong evidence that all cases of polio are caused by the polio vaccine. Change has occurred with the polio vaccine due to cases of vaccine-associated paralytic polio. It is no longer an oral vaccine of live virus but an injectable vaccine of inactivated virus.

The Lancet reported that West German authorities had listed 27 neurological reactions to the mumps vaccine, including meningitis, febrile convulsions & epilepsy. These are risks of the vaccine but don’t let this statement fool you, we don’t know the time frame or the total amount of vaccinations given to result in this number.
Dr. R. Mendelsohn said, "There now exists a growing theoretical concern which links immunization to the huge increase, in recent decades, of auto-immune diseases. No scientific research has proved or disproved this theory."

Keep in mind other factors in our environment that have changed in the past 20-30 years (air quality, pesticides, increased medication use, modified foods, etc).

Mercury is a common preservative used in vaccines & is causing neurologic deficits in infants worldwide. Mercury does cause neurologic impairment in long-term low doses & also in short-term high doses as found in vaccines. It is a concern to the FDA & the EPA &, since 1999, has been removed from most all vaccines. If you want to be cautious, ask your doctor to check the label for Thimerosal.

Vaccination pro's & con's

Hepatitis A:
Pro’s:
In high risk populations it can prevent the disease (other countries, communities with prolonged outbreaks).
The disease is contagious to family members if careful hygiene is not followed.
Death can occur from the disease (very rare).

Con’s:
The disease is self limiting & gives you life-long immunity
Mild symptoms occur with the vaccination in as little as 1 out of 6 people
Severe allergic reactions & death can occur (very rare)

Hepatitis B:
Pro's:
9% of Hepatitis B occurs in adolescents (14-19)
45%of Hepatitis B occurs in ages 20-29

Con's:
JAMA article 2001 states that there is no scientific evidence to justify HBV before the age risk factors become relevant. Risk/benefit analysis show HBV vaccination among children carries one of the largest unjustified risks & substantial financial costs.
HBV immunization associated with 53 deaths & 828 serious injuries
Rate of child under 10 getting HBV infection is 191/38million
There are mild symptoms associated with the vaccine & severe reactions are rare

MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella):

Pro’s:
Those not vaccinated are 35 times more likely to contract measles.
Symptoms can become severe.
If planning on getting pregnant – to protect against possible contraction of Rubella

Con's::
In a population mixed with vaccinated children & unvaccinated children, those vaccinated had a
5 - 30% chance of contracting measles depending on the number of unvaccinated children in the population. (JAMA 1999;282:47-53)
Mumps-like virus has been showing up in immunized children
Side effects to the vaccination are very similar to the disease itself
This vaccine has a higher likelihood of moderate to severe reactions
Seizures, 1 out of 3000
Joint pain or stiffness 1 out of 4
Low platelet count leading to bleeding disorder 1 out of 30,000

Chicken Pox:

Pro’s:
Symptoms can rarely progress to severe skin infection
12,000 people are hospitalized each year & 100 deaths (that is approx. 1 in 250,000 people hospitalized & 1 in 3million die).

Con’s:
Contracting the chicken pox gives lifetime immunity
The vaccine immunity lasts about 20yrs. so a booster is required
Mild symptoms from vaccination are similar to the disease & can be contagious
Seizures occur with vaccination in 1 out of 1000 people

Polio Virus:

Pro's:
The disease is still common in developing countries

Con's:
No cases of wild polio have been reported in the U.S. for over 20yrs.

DTP – (Diptheria, Tetanus, Pertussis):

Pro's:
DTaP is a safer version of the older vaccine DTP.
Tetanus is a severe disease that is often fatal
In 1999, 400 reported cases of Pertussis; 5 cases were hospitalized in 1998

Con's:
Pertussis is a disease of younger children only. Anyone over 7 has no need for DTaP. (Td is offered)
A booster is required every 10-12 years for Tetanus
Diptheria is eradicated here in the U.S. but can be found in developing countries
Side effects are more common with the DTaP vaccine. Mild problems occur in 1 out of 4 kids.
Seizures & high fever occur in 1 child out of 14,000 & 1 out of 16,000
Non-stop crying for 3hrs or more occurs in 1 out of 1000 kids
Severe problems like long-term seizures, coma, brain damage are rare
Any child with moderate to severe reactions should not get another dose of DTaP

Haemophilus Influenza (Hib):

Pro’s:
Hib is the leading cause of bacterial meningitis among children under 5yrs.
Before Hib vaccine, 1 out of 1500 children got Hib each year & nearly 1 out of 30,000 died
There were 9 cases of Hib Epiglottitis at Children’s hospital last year

Con's:
Children over 5 years old don’t need the vaccine
Fever is common with this vaccine; 1 out of 20 kids

Pneumococcal Vaccine:

Pro's:
Conjugate vaccine is available for children under 2 years.
The vaccine help prevent diseases that are becoming resistant to antibiotics

Con's:
If you commonly get ear infections, or respiratory infections you don’t need the vaccine

Resources:
Institute for Vaccine Safety website http://www.vaccinesafety.edu
National Immunization Program Home page: http://www.cdc.gov/nip/
Center for Disease Control Home page: http://www.cdc.gov/
National Immunization Hotline: 1-800-232-2522
Public Health Foundation: (877) 252-1200
The Immunization Decision: A Guide for Parents by Randall Neustaedter
For more information or to schedule an appointment, please contact the Northwest Center for Optimal Health at (360) 651-9355.

http://www.ncoh.net/services/education/askdrp.php?aid=52

Yup, yup.... With consent and full disclosure as to effects and side effects, as with any form of treatment or non treatment

Night night guys thanks for the stimulating thread!

God bless you, Soul !
Take care Leigh !

http://medium.com/@visualvaccines/graphic-proof-that-vaccines-work-with-sources-61c199429c8c

Graphical proof that vaccines work (with sources)


The graphs in this article (showing disease incidence over time relating to several diseases and several countries) make a compelling case for vaccine effectiveness.

Proponents of the anti-vaccine movement will often plot death rates over time as proof that vaccines were introduced at a time when they had a negligible effect. However, mortality rates are the incorrect metric when evaluating vaccine effectiveness. Here's why:

Disease incidence is the correct metric. Since vaccines are designed to prevent the incidence of disease, rates of disease (morbidity) are the correct metric for evaluating vaccine effectiveness. If vaccines were a drug to treat disease, then case-fatality rates would be the correct metric for evaluation. Measuring vaccine effectiveness by looking at mortality rates only is a bit like measuring contraceptive effectiveness by measuring abortion rates only,it only tells a tiny part of the story.
Mortality rates do not reflect the true burden of the disease. Survivors of vaccine preventable disease can be maimed for life,think polio and paralysis, mumps and deafness, measles and mental disability, rubella and birth defects. Looking at mortality rates only misses the true burden of the disease. For example, before the introduction of the measles vaccine in the US in the 1960s, there were only 400-700 measles deaths a year. However, there were 4,000 cases of measles encephalitis a year (many of which led to neurological complications such as blindness, deafness and mental disability), 150,000 cases of respiratory complications, and 48,000 measles-related hospitalizations a year (which placed a huge financial and emotional burden on families) [1]. Together, these figures added to the motivation to eradicate the disease............

My biggest concern is the profiteers. At what cost?

The FDA has more or less sold out the public by letting the drug companies "test and evaluate" the risk, and products, THEY develope.

How many recalls have there been the last couple decades where in the beginning they're a miracle drug, then YEARS later...."OOPS! We're sorry! It will kill you!".... and it's pulled?

Headache medicine with warnings such as: "shortness of breath, nausea, stomach bleeding. hypertension, rash, vomiting, loss of vision, intense swelling, suicidal tendencies, and death have occurred"

Like I said, I admire the science, but my body is the one thing I can still control, but with Obamacare, insurance companies and the Big Pharma corporations running the medical field now......

When is enough, enough?

BTW.... thank you to my well wishers. I appreciate the sentiment. Some days are better than others, but every day I awake to face it is a good day for me.

Vaccinations are poison and if there going to give them and there so effective a Doctor should be able to tell anyone whats in them. just my 2 cents worth.

'splain to us why,Doc!

Is your profile pic, Michael Moore at 3 months old?

you mean like the Health Ranger,Mercola,Oz and other poor Snakeoil Merchants?

BTW,I do hope you beat your Cancer!
Having it is to know how Damocles felt sitting under that Sword!
I do know firsthand!

Same here, but you already know that, don't you ((((((Ken)))))) ...and Conrad, way to go!

I never take flu shots unless i want the Flu.

Strange how the Measles has made a come back though and started at Disneyland, hmm. Isn't that where the illegal immigrant children were
given free trips to? Hmmm?

Has the CDC Whistleblower Been Given Immunity to Speak About Vaccines?

http://benswann.com/has-the-cdc-whistleblower-been-given-immunity-to-speak-about-vaccines/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=nl

By: Derrick Broze Feb 6, 2015

A whistleblower scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has reportedly been granted immunity and may possibly speak before Congress regarding a connection between Autism and vaccines.

The Daily Caller has reported that Dr. William Thompson has been granted immunity by the Obama Administration following the revelation that he was involved in "fudging numbers" in a study related to vaccinations and Autism. Dr. Thompson would later release a statement through his lawyers stating that he had handed related documents to Congressman William Posey's office.

According to the Daily Caller:

The Obama administration has granted whistleblower immunity to a federal government scientist that claimed he intentionally omitted information in a study that could have shown a race-based link between vaccines and childhood diseases including autism.

"A whistleblower came to our office, Dr. William Thompson. He came forward with documents, saying that at CDC he had manipulated one of the studies he was an author on to get a desired outcome," Posey spokesman George Cecala told TheDC. "The study has relation to vaccines and their relationship to autism."

Posey staffer Anna Schartner said they reviewed Thompson's statements and documents carefully.
"We're working with the Science Committee to get a hearing," Anna said. "What we're talking about is integrity within an agency. It's rightfully under the purview of the Science Committee."

The DC goes on to say that Congressman Posey supports the use of vaccinations for children, however, "parents should have all the information they need." Posey serves on the Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

Ben Swann.com spoke with members of The Canary Party regarding the report by the DC. The Canary Party stated that "there are suspicions about the source of this report." As of the publishing of this article the DC remains the only source of the alleged immunity.

Dr. Thompson first made headlines when he spoke about a study he was involved with that deliberately omitted important information on the link between vaccines and autism. Thompson has been a scientist with the CDC since 1998.

He has stated that he and other co-authors of a 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics omitted data demonstrating a connection between an increased risk of autism in African American males who were given the MMR vaccine before 36 months of age. Thompson believes vaccines have saved and continue to save lives but says that the CDC has been hiding controversial data.

With vaccine safety and pressure to force parents to vaccinate in the news, the revelations regarding Dr. Thompson are sure to fuel even more contentious debate.

Failures of Vaccine Court

A recent report by the Associated Press has found that thousands of families with claims with a special vaccine court are left to wait for years, sometimes decades before receiving help. The court is designed to provide compensation for families when vaccines are suspected in causing harm to patients.

The AP examined hundreds of court decisions, performed more than 100 interviews, and studied a database containing more than 14,500 cases. The database was last updated in January 2013 with the government refusing to release any new updates.

The AP investigation found several issues with the court. These include tens of millions of taxpayer dollars that has been paid to private attorneys who often practice "churning", a practice described as filing a large number of claims regardless of the quality of the claims. In the private court attorneys are paid out whether or not they succeed in convincing the court. That fact has lead to questionable billing practices and an increase in court claims.

The AP report also found that "expert" witnesses for the families and the government often have a lack of credibility or conflicts of interest. The report says that some of the experts are also involved in setting up nonprofits that question vaccine safety. Meanwhile doctors hired by the government to testify in defense of vaccines have ties to the pharmaceutical industry.

Another complaint involving the system is the lack of publicity it receives. The court purposefully spends very little of its budget on promotional campaigns, fearing that admission of harm from vaccines would lead to a decrease in vaccinations. The AP alleges that the court has "a burden of proof more easily met than civil lawsuits." The report highlights efforts by government doctors to deny 1,600 families more than $1.1 billion in cash from 1998 to 2012.

Merck vaccine fraud exposed by two Merck virologists; company faked mumps vaccine efficacy results for over a decade, says lawsuit

http://www.naturalnews.com/036328_Merck_mumps_vaccine_False_Claims_Act.html

The Danger of Excessive Vaccination During Brain Development

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/03/14/the-danger-of-excessive-vaccination-during-brain-development.aspx

The Truth Behind the Vaccine Cover-Up

http://vaccinechoicecanada.com/health-risks/brain-neurological-injuries/the-truth-behind-the-vaccine-cover-up/

The 21 curious questions we're never allowed to ask about vaccines

http://www.naturalnews.com/048467_vaccine_industry_intelligent_questions_scientific_principles.html#

My thoughts are, that with the implementation of govt run healthcare you can never ask enough questions......especially where our children are concerned

Damn, he changed the pic! Why??? I had you to a tee as well?

Remember "outsourcing"?

Did you know that most of our drugs and vaccines are now made in China?

Look it up!

The world's growing dependence on Chinese drug manufacturers became apparent in the heparin scare. A year ago, Baxter International and APP Pharmaceuticals split the domestic market for heparin, an anticlotting drug needed for surgery and dialysis.

When federal drug regulators discovered that Baxter's product had been contaminated by Chinese suppliers, the F.D.A. banned Baxter's product and turned almost exclusively to the one from APP. But APP also got its product from China.

So for now, like it or not, China has the upper hand. As Mr. Polastro put it, "If China ever got very upset with President Obama, it could be a big problem."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/policy/20drug.html

Hi, I've been looking into articles on vaccinations since my last post. I saw the commentary on the CDC whistleblower as well. They need to take responsibility and be held accountable on such matters. It is very extremely unfortunate that politics and economics have so negatively affected the practice and ethics of medicine.

The medical community continues to be divided on the issue of vaccination. All medical societies' and associations' vaccination schedules remain as "recommended" based on evidence and best practice guidelines. Whereas the matter of "mandatory" vaccination, I believe is based more on government policies and public health guidelines.

Vaccines and other pharmaceutical products such as antibiotics, biological agents and others will always have labeled precautions, contraindications, and side effects.

Drug and vaccine reactions are always reportable and does assist in the continued research and development of better and safer alternatives whether it is for the improvement of an already existing product or for the removal of it from the market. The operative word here being "reportable" and therefore, is filed for further study... Anecdotal effects tend to be brushed aside by regulating bodies and are sometimes misinterpreted by the general public.

There has always been a schism between western and eastern practice of medicine. What has been considered as quackery before is now being deemed as legitimate and vice versa. I believe a healthy balance of both disciplines is the best way to go.

Just as previously mentioned, there is no "one size fits all" in the administration of any form of treatment or medical intervention, and this includes the administration of vaccinations. Though I remain provaccination, it is foolish to say that it is and should be for everyone, though I believe that everyone should have the right to the access of it. It is not something to be forced on someone, though I believe that it is a matter that deserves both sides to be heard, studied and understood, prior to making any decision for or against.

The above being said, the apparent failure of one vaccine or one vaccine component does not denote, and should not connote the failure of all vaccines. The matter is also not a " one size fits all" science....

Just as doctors need keep an open mind to respect individual patient background, philosophy, culture, and ethics, individuals also need to keep an open mind to know facts objectively and not be blinded by unfounded fears, preconceived notions, and lack of knowledge.

Thank you for this topic all the articles you have put on here. I look forward to your continued posts and well thought of commentaries. All the best!

DEBATE: Is It "Anti-Vaccination" To Be "Pro-Information"?

Washington D.C.- California lawmakers have introduced a bill that would end the use of personal belief exemptions - which allow parents to opt out of vaccinating their children.

Under the proposed law, all school children would be legally required to get vaccinated, unless immunization puts the child's health at risk. The California law is a reaction to a current measles outbreak which started at disneyland and has affected 120 children nationwide but no deaths have been associated with this outbreak.

This story is profoundly important because of the fact that most media refuses to debate many of the real issues surrounding this story.

http://benswann.com/debate-is-it-anti-vaccination-to-be-pro-information/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=nl