or otherwise kill,,,



they may beat you in a fight, nay even kill you

they are kind of big and scary

they are taller than me and fitter than me(even If Im the heavy one)

they didn't do what they were instructed to do(justified if you are cop only)

they reached for something(could have been a gun)

they kept moving(even if while being shot or kicked or billy clubbed)


,,,feel free to join the list


police need to be reigned back in for real,,

police need to weed out their 'thug' cops just as passionately as they weed out 'thug' citizens

lives should start mattering , even 'thug' lives,,,

If I may add a few:
-Gun has a full magazine, making it awful heavy.
-Just ate chinese buffet. Way too full to get physical.
-Love the smell of burnt powder.

BTW..anyone seeing the video of the Cleveland shooting,
and think the cops were justified...

The "List of Justifiable reasons to shoot" varies from state-to-state, depending on their laws specific to private citizens and police force.

No, really...it DOES - "whether [you] like it or not"...factually-speaking, of course.


Complete with hotlinks to each of the State's laws regarding self-defense:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/self-defense-immunity-laws-which-states-protect-you-best/


(With VERY limited exceptions,) Supreme Court upholds States' rights to determine what constitutes allowable "reasonable and/or deadly force" for police while in line of duty:

Tennessee v. Garner



You're welcome.

smh, that's awful

but accepted as an attempt to inject humor into an otherwise tragic reality,,,

From what I read, the Cop resigned (just before he was to get fired) from another Police dept. due to emotional problems and instability. including "weeping" while at the firing range and crying everyday for months( at work) because is girlfriend left him.

It appears the cop had some mental issues.

It also appears the Cleveland Police did not due a very thorough back ground investigation before hiring him and /r the former Police Department was not forthcoming with information

From what I read.. this guy should not have been hired as a policeman by Cleveland or any other police department.

I think that cops are reigned in to a degree. A few bad apples.
The problem is not cops though, the problem is crime.

the problem is crime indeed, bred by violence LOVED by most an entire so ci ety.

so who ya gonna blame...

who ya gonna call.

ghost busters to the scene.

ncis students pay ur fee.

who ya gonna blame for the violence you so loved yourself to see.

now that it ravage your own loved one's in re al ity.

blame it on the Illuminati...

blame it all on the government it be...

on corrupt cops so easy so free...

but until you blame it on your self...

you do not sea.

Someone should check out the trial going on here in my home town...homeowner shoots and kills German exchange student for being in his garage...super messed up...justifiable shooting...??? ...sorry if I went slightly

no need at all.

I don't know about out there, but here in Nevada you have to pass a pretty intensive medical, background and psychological examination including polygraph tests to become a police office with ANY department in Nevada. Same in California. I believe it is that way with most if not all the states.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/05/dont-support-laws-you-are-not-willing-to-kill-to-enforce/

....Carter emphasizes, incidents like this are also a predictable consequence of the overextension of the regulatory state:

On the opening day of law school, I always counsel my first-year students never to support a law they are not willing to kill to enforce. Usually they greet this advice with something between skepticism and puzzlement, until I remind them that the police go armed to enforce the will of the state, and if you resist, they might kill you.

I wish this caution were only theoretical. It isn't. Whatever your view on the refusal of a New York City grand jury to indict the police officer whose chokehold apparently led to the death of Eric Garner, it's useful to remember the crime that Garner is alleged to have committed: He was selling individual cigarettes, or loosies, in violation of New York law..

The problem is actually broader. It's not just cigarette tax laws that can lead to the death of those the police seek to arrest. It's every law. Libertarians argue that we have far too many laws, and the Garner case offers evidence that they're right. I often tell my students that there will never be a perfect technology of law enforcement, and therefore it is unavoidable that there will be situations where police err on the side of too much violence rather than too little. Better training won't lead to perfection. But fewer laws would mean fewer opportunities for official violence to get out of hand. .........


http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703749504576172714184601654

The U.S. Constitution mentions three federal crimes by citizens: treason, piracy and counterfeiting. By the turn of the 20th century, the number of criminal statutes numbered in the dozens. Today, there are an estimated 4,500 crimes in federal statutes, according to a 2008 study by retired Louisiana State University law professor John Baker.

There are also thousands of regulations that carry criminal penalties. Some laws are so complex, scholars debate whether they represent one offense, or scores of offenses.

Counting them is impossible. The Justice Department spent two years trying in the 1980s, but produced only an estimate: 3,000 federal criminal offenses.

The American Bar Association tried in the late 1990s, but concluded only that the number was likely much higher than 3,000. The ABA's report said "the amount of individual citizen behavior now potentially subject to federal criminal control has increased in astonishing proportions in the last few decades."

A Justice spokeswoman said there was no quantifiable number. Criminal statutes are sprinkled throughout some 27,000 pages of the federal code.

There are many reasons for the rising tide of laws. It's partly due to lawmakers responding to hot-button issue,environmental messes, financial machinations, child kidnappings, consumer protection,with calls for federal criminal penalties. Federal regulations can also carry the force of federal criminal law, adding to the legal complexity.

With the growing number of federal crimes, the number of people sentenced to federal prison has risen nearly threefold over the past 30 years to 83,000 annually. The U.S. population grew only about 36% in that period. The total federal prison population, over 200,000, grew more than eightfold,twice the growth rate of the state prison population, now at 2 million, according the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics

Tougher federal drug laws account for about 30% of people sentenced, a decline from over 40% two decades ago. The proportion of people sentenced for most other crimes, such as firearms possession, fraud and other non-violent offenses, has doubled in the past 20 years.


and you wonder?

You forgot to mention the word black, cos this is what it's all about.

Thugs lives don't matter at all to me, regardless of their colour, the thug you refer to got what was coming, what goes around comes around.

But still no mention of the poor defenceless shopkeepr the 'thug' terrorised before he was shot.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you are the biggest racist I have ever come across, end of.

Same here in the N.Y area. Very intense background investigation. Rightfully so. I don't know if that same criteria applies for people who were already in law enforcement in another municipality. It may...and should. but if what I read in the news is correct it looks like they missed something in the investigation. I really hope that not the case. I am sure more will come out on this as it unfolds.

this sound/look familiar?

http://mises.org/blog/government-security-dictated-prank-calling-sadist-walmart-shooting

I don't want police to stop responding to calls or spend valuable time researching callers for their credibility

I would like them to make their OWN assessments upon arrival at a scene of the proper procedures to follow based upon their own observations,,,,

one problem is 'crime',,,there is no 'the' problem
another problem is the JUSTICE SYSTEM allowing cops a free pass from 'criminal' prosecution,,,

This guy didnt call the cops he just set up bait in his garage and blasted a kid with a shotgun. He even told his hairdresser he was going to do it!

I agree. There are cases in which the cop has been given a free pass, and obviously shouldn't. Many cases actually. There are also cases, in which the reverse happened.

Problem is there needs to be SOME leniency given to those who must put themselves in difficult situations. The world is not black and white as many would assume.

Sometimes, even doing everything by the book and making all the correct decisions, you can still shoot someone who didn't NEED to be shot.

Example; schizophrenic acting aggressive towards people is confronted by police. Acts really angry and quickly reaches into jacket. Any one with an ounce of training would shoot to kill. Then we find out after the fact that this man was unarmed and reaching for a lighter.

Very tough to be black and white when the world is gray.

...It was nice to read your response...I argue with alot of locals on this...I was curious if anyone outside of Missoula knew any of the details...alot of people stand behind the home owner even though the guy baited the kids ..I believe the home owner was sooo wrong...claims he was protecting his family...but all the past "break ins" were kids stealing beer out of his garage...the police were either to slow or did not respond to previous " robberies"..I could go on and on...I just think he had no right to kill the kid...