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Topic: What's wrong with our schools?
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Sun 12/07/14 05:23 PM



parents are the ones who hold power over school boards. they are the ones who elect superintendent and other school board officials. much of the school policies can't be effected until they have a certain percentage approval vote by parents.
many parents complain about everything that is wrong with schools but have a great apathy when it comes to effecting change. the parents who complain most are often the ones who never attend any meetings.
additionally, many parents are so overprotective of their children that instead of it being a help it does a great disservice to their child because they don't learn to function in the real world.


Oh, that is just.... absolutely hilarious!!!

"Society will develop a new kind of servitude which covers the surface of society with a network of complicated rules, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate. It does not tyrannise but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd."
― Alexis de Tocqueville

A statist is an individual who erroneously believes that there is such a thing as "authority" vested in certain human beings magically giving them the "right to rule" over other people. This "authority" means that certain people who we call "government", have the "moral right" to issue commands to those whom they rule (those under their "jurisdiction"), and that their "subjects" (slaves) have a "moral obligation" to obey the arbitrary dictates set by their masters. Most simply put, a statist is someone who believes in the legitimacy of slavery.

Nothing more readily exemplifies this principle than the modern united States system of education. We surrender our next generation, the whole future to the "government". But when the result is as should be expected, the masses whale at the unfairness of receiving that which they asked for.


I see you are copying from others on the internet again and passing it off as your writing. It appears you don't even understand the context of what you copy. I guess you think it sounds "cool".whoa


That would only be your illusion, but then beats having to think on your own, doesn't it.

No, I don't think it cool, again but an illusion on your part. But when one is but a product of the system, illusions seem so real and besides there are room for no other.

And I pass nothing off but my own belief, if you don't care for it too bad. It is very obvious that yourself has no understanding of the concept mush less the principles.

But it is interesting to watch those that have no thoughts to try and deflect as the only offering. As Mark so amply teaches, an individuals teachability, or their ability to learn by way of being taught by someone else, is extremely dependent upon the open-mindedness or close-mindedness of the individual being taught. Low teachability derives from arrogance and rigid skepticism, but also from naivete and gullibility. High teachability derives from a balance between healthy skepticism and an open-minded willingness to learn and change.

However, I do find it amusing at the audience that this attracts, very predictable. I do not find it strange to find you amongst this audience.




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Sun 12/07/14 05:27 PM


Wish I had a bit more time to give a full opinion on this. The shortened version of an answer to the OP the that schools are holding down those that are succeeding to allow those that are struggling to catch up.



Yes, that is what is meant by teaching to "the lowest common denominator". The level of achievement is reduced again and again to the point where all students are expected to pass. This concept leaves even the average student untasked and the better students bored.

Some East Asian systems have high standards for everyone. If you can't cut the mustard you get shifted to a trade school. Discipline is taught and expected. South Korea, Japan, Singapore, and Hong Kong are the four highest rated school achievement countries.


High standards, I'd love to see an explanation for that. Three out of four are the good little puppet states. But Hong Kong should never be in your little group for reasons it seems not understood.


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Sun 12/07/14 11:12 PM
Edited by davidben1 on Sun 12/07/14 11:13 PM
money...

if education revolve the towers of money...

of course it is doomed for a downward spiral.

no different than politics...

if they revolve around "money"...

corruption will be sure to follow.

it's built into the system if individual financial gains are at stake.

nothing will change until that changes.

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Mon 12/08/14 10:05 PM



Wish I had a bit more time to give a full opinion on this. The shortened version of an answer to the OP the that schools are holding down those that are succeeding to allow those that are struggling to catch up.



Yes, that is what is meant by teaching to "the lowest common denominator". The level of achievement is reduced again and again to the point where all students are expected to pass. This concept leaves even the average student untasked and the better students bored.

Some East Asian systems have high standards for everyone. If you can't cut the mustard you get shifted to a trade school. Discipline is taught and expected. South Korea, Japan, Singapore, and Hong Kong are the four highest rated school achievement countries.


High standards, I'd love to see an explanation for that. Three out of four are the good little puppet states. But Hong Kong should never be in your little group for reasons it seems not understood.




That is correct. You do not understand.

"Hong Kong emerged as a world educational leader on recent international assessments – a feat that is all the more impressive considering that Hong Kong has essentially rebuilt its education system since 1997, the year Hong Kong was returned to China after a century and a half of British rule. Hong Kong outperformed almost every other nation in the 2009 PISA assessment, bested only by neighbors Shanghai and Korea and the perennially top-performing Finland. Hong Kong’s students ranked fourth in reading and third in both math and science."

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Tue 12/09/14 08:17 PM




Wish I had a bit more time to give a full opinion on this. The shortened version of an answer to the OP the that schools are holding down those that are succeeding to allow those that are struggling to catch up.



Yes, that is what is meant by teaching to "the lowest common denominator". The level of achievement is reduced again and again to the point where all students are expected to pass. This concept leaves even the average student untasked and the better students bored.

Some East Asian systems have high standards for everyone. If you can't cut the mustard you get shifted to a trade school. Discipline is taught and expected. South Korea, Japan, Singapore, and Hong Kong are the four highest rated school achievement countries.


High standards, I'd love to see an explanation for that. Three out of four are the good little puppet states. But Hong Kong should never be in your little group for reasons it seems not understood.




That is correct. You do not understand.

"Hong Kong emerged as a world educational leader on recent international assessments – a feat that is all the more impressive considering that Hong Kong has essentially rebuilt its education system since 1997, the year Hong Kong was returned to China after a century and a half of British rule. Hong Kong outperformed almost every other nation in the 2009 PISA assessment, bested only by neighbors Shanghai and Korea and the perennially top-performing Finland. Hong Kong’s students ranked fourth in reading and third in both math and science."


Not correct, the misunderstanding is not in this direction.

Seems the whole presentment has something to do with that statist outlook on life. Shows that when one depends on the government in order to develop any concept of an opinion, those opinions mean less than nothing. Doesn't NASA have some data on this?

"Government is nothing but men acting in concert. The morality and value of government, like any other association of men, will be no greater and no less than the morality and value of the men comprising it. Since government is nothing but men, its inherent 'authority' to act is in no way greater or different than the 'authority' to act of individuals in isolation. Government has no 'magic powers' or 'authority' not possessed by private individuals. Let he who asserts that government may do that which the individual may not assume the onus of proof and demonstrate his contention." - Chris Lyspooner

And even the most destitute idiot while in doubt about much of life, has no doubt whatsoever about the morality and value of that thing many call "government". So before you go and try to place blame, I would suggest you better understand your sources.


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Thu 12/11/14 11:56 AM





Wish I had a bit more time to give a full opinion on this. The shortened version of an answer to the OP the that schools are holding down those that are succeeding to allow those that are struggling to catch up.



Yes, that is what is meant by teaching to "the lowest common denominator". The level of achievement is reduced again and again to the point where all students are expected to pass. This concept leaves even the average student untasked and the better students bored.

Some East Asian systems have high standards for everyone. If you can't cut the mustard you get shifted to a trade school. Discipline is taught and expected. South Korea, Japan, Singapore, and Hong Kong are the four highest rated school achievement countries.


High standards, I'd love to see an explanation for that. Three out of four are the good little puppet states. But Hong Kong should never be in your little group for reasons it seems not understood.




That is correct. You do not understand.

"Hong Kong emerged as a world educational leader on recent international assessments – a feat that is all the more impressive considering that Hong Kong has essentially rebuilt its education system since 1997, the year Hong Kong was returned to China after a century and a half of British rule. Hong Kong outperformed almost every other nation in the 2009 PISA assessment, bested only by neighbors Shanghai and Korea and the perennially top-performing Finland. Hong Kong’s students ranked fourth in reading and third in both math and science."


Not correct, the misunderstanding is not in this direction.

Seems the whole presentment has something to do with that statist outlook on life. Shows that when one depends on the government in order to develop any concept of an opinion, those opinions mean less than nothing. Doesn't NASA have some data on this?

"Government is nothing but men acting in concert. The morality and value of government, like any other association of men, will be no greater and no less than the morality and value of the men comprising it. Since government is nothing but men, its inherent 'authority' to act is in no way greater or different than the 'authority' to act of individuals in isolation. Government has no 'magic powers' or 'authority' not possessed by private individuals. Let he who asserts that government may do that which the individual may not assume the onus of proof and demonstrate his contention." - Chris Lyspooner

And even the most destitute idiot while in doubt about much of life, has no doubt whatsoever about the morality and value of that thing many call "government". So before you go and try to place blame, I would suggest you better understand your sources.




"Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question."

- Thomas Jefferson

This is one of my favorites and I thought it to be appropriate.

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Fri 12/12/14 03:04 PM






Wish I had a bit more time to give a full opinion on this. The shortened version of an answer to the OP the that schools are holding down those that are succeeding to allow those that are struggling to catch up.



Yes, that is what is meant by teaching to "the lowest common denominator". The level of achievement is reduced again and again to the point where all students are expected to pass. This concept leaves even the average student untasked and the better students bored.

Some East Asian systems have high standards for everyone. If you can't cut the mustard you get shifted to a trade school. Discipline is taught and expected. South Korea, Japan, Singapore, and Hong Kong are the four highest rated school achievement countries.


High standards, I'd love to see an explanation for that. Three out of four are the good little puppet states. But Hong Kong should never be in your little group for reasons it seems not understood.




That is correct. You do not understand.

"Hong Kong emerged as a world educational leader on recent international assessments – a feat that is all the more impressive considering that Hong Kong has essentially rebuilt its education system since 1997, the year Hong Kong was returned to China after a century and a half of British rule. Hong Kong outperformed almost every other nation in the 2009 PISA assessment, bested only by neighbors Shanghai and Korea and the perennially top-performing Finland. Hong Kong’s students ranked fourth in reading and third in both math and science."


Not correct, the misunderstanding is not in this direction.

Seems the whole presentment has something to do with that statist outlook on life. Shows that when one depends on the government in order to develop any concept of an opinion, those opinions mean less than nothing. Doesn't NASA have some data on this?

"Government is nothing but men acting in concert. The morality and value of government, like any other association of men, will be no greater and no less than the morality and value of the men comprising it. Since government is nothing but men, its inherent 'authority' to act is in no way greater or different than the 'authority' to act of individuals in isolation. Government has no 'magic powers' or 'authority' not possessed by private individuals. Let he who asserts that government may do that which the individual may not assume the onus of proof and demonstrate his contention." - Chris Lyspooner

And even the most destitute idiot while in doubt about much of life, has no doubt whatsoever about the morality and value of that thing many call "government". So before you go and try to place blame, I would suggest you better understand your sources.




"Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question."

- Thomas Jefferson

This is one of my favorites and I thought it to be appropriate.



Jefferson was the best read of any of the founders but so much about him is misunderstood and so little really understood by most. And another of Jefferson's quotes followed by other's that he understood:

"A free people claim their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their magistrates." - Thomas Jefferson

"The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on Earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule." - John Locke

"Nature, to be commanded, must first be obeyed." - Francis Bacon

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