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Simple answer...... "What's wrong with our schools?"......govt got involved in education  Bingo!!!!  That, of course, is a big part of it but how much of it is due to the teacher's unions? Hey Joe :)...How much?...Plenty!...Teachers unions are the most powerful influence in education today for two reasons...They are extremely well organized and they are hugely funded...They have the financial power needed to affect political elections and control decision making in every single school district...Unions do contribute in positive ways, but by putting the focus on teacher security at the expense of student educational needs they do more harm than good...Administrators can't properly evaluate teachers and bad teachers cannot be fired!..IMO, the first thing that needs to go is tenure.... My next door neighbor and my niece teach. They claim the amount of time left in the classroom to actually teach is minimal after all the time wasted by discipline problems, etc. Oddly, you can't discipline the students who need discipline!  My daughter teaches...She tells me things about students that make me want to scream...But what she tells me about administration makes me feel like crying..Since educators do not have any control outside the classroom, reform needs to start IN THE CLASSROOM.... |
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Wish I had a bit more time to give a full opinion on this. The shortened version of an answer to the OP the that schools are holding down those that are succeeding to allow those that are struggling to catch up.
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that which control education controls the world.
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Wish I had a bit more time to give a full opinion on this. The shortened version of an answer to the OP the that schools are holding down those that are succeeding to allow those that are struggling to catch up. Yes, that is what is meant by teaching to "the lowest common denominator". The level of achievement is reduced again and again to the point where all students are expected to pass. This concept leaves even the average student untasked and the better students bored. Some East Asian systems have high standards for everyone. If you can't cut the mustard you get shifted to a trade school. Discipline is taught and expected. South Korea, Japan, Singapore, and Hong Kong are the four highest rated school achievement countries. |
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The statistics on education indicate that the US has now fallen behind many poorer nations while spending more money per child than almost anyone. Many blame the teacher's unions for preventing the firing of incompetent teachers. Some blame the parents for raising students who have no urge to learn and do not know the meaning of "discipline". Some blame the government for passing laws preventing spankings and putting emphasis on "teaching to the lowest common denominator" instead of upholding high learning standards. Some blame the mystical "society" who have trained children to "text endlessly" and ignore the future because there won't be one for them. What should be done? That is easy, just spend more money. Build bigger school board buildings, pay larger salaries to school board members, increase the pay for all the administrators. But above all, get behind that common core movement so the government can have total control. And then we can have a nation of the totally stupid instead of just well indoctrinated idiots. After all just how much further is there to go? This is but a nation that believes education is tremendous student debt and no knowledge. A nation so enslaved, there is no concept of what it takes to be free. However, very few realize the real question, what remains when one has a concept that fast food is a career and no one can afford hamburger? |
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The statistics on education indicate that the US has now fallen behind many poorer nations while spending more money per child than almost anyone. Many blame the teacher's unions for preventing the firing of incompetent teachers. Some blame the parents for raising students who have no urge to learn and do not know the meaning of "discipline". Some blame the government for passing laws preventing spankings and putting emphasis on "teaching to the lowest common denominator" instead of upholding high learning standards. Some blame the mystical "society" who have trained children to "text endlessly" and ignore the future because there won't be one for them. What should be done? Your asking to much. We only attend Mingle2! 
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... The statistics on education indicate that the US has now fallen behind many poorer nations while spending more money per child than almost anyone. Many blame the teacher's unions for preventing the firing of incompetent teachers. Some blame the parents for raising students who have no urge to learn and do not know the meaning of "discipline". Some blame the government for passing laws preventing spankings and putting emphasis on "teaching to the lowest common denominator" instead of upholding high learning standards. Some blame the mystical "society" who have trained children to "text endlessly" and ignore the future because there won't be one for them. What should be done? some schools can be over crowded... some school have been shut down becouse they blame the teacher for the scores the children get to keep it open ... some schools have gotten stricter since 911... they started charter schools ... some school have started trying to get the children ready for collage or a career...while their young ... but then some want to take courses... where there is no job skills for them ... becouse the jobs in that field have been dropped... some want are children not to learn any higher skills ... some say illegal immigration... some say the SAT and other standers tests are to high becouse not used in the real world of employment... what should be done ... only think right now I can see that can be done are those schools that are trying to get these kids into collage or training school make sure their telling them what they will be able to get a job with ...after their educations ... most school are underfunded ...thats why it is harder to... as you say ...what can be done ... And to imagine, this is before common core. Can one imagine the result when the next layer, common core is added. Back in the mid-1990s, the illustrious British introduced a process called ISO 9001, the alignment of business to greatness by way of processes, not necessarily great but repeatable processes. Didn't really matter if it was right, so long as the process was repeatable. So called education was aligned to this standard, producing little trained monkeys. And to imagine an education system could be any other than what it is, is to imagine the impossible. "The only thing that is more expensive than education is ignorance." ― Benjamin Franklin |
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This Answer Question?  Not nearly as bad as common core history: You Won't Believe What We Found in Another 'Widely Adopted' High School Textbook |
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Simple answer...... "What's wrong with our schools?"......govt got involved in education Bingo!!!! That, of course, is a big part of it but how much of it is due to the teacher's unions? You're kidding, right? Didn't think so, sad. A side show does not a circus make. Convenient though. |
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for the illusion of many ignorant blind the ignorant to what is real.
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parents are the ones who hold power over school boards. they are the ones who elect superintendent and other school board officials. much of the school policies can't be effected until they have a certain percentage approval vote by parents. many parents complain about everything that is wrong with schools but have a great apathy when it comes to effecting change. the parents who complain most are often the ones who never attend any meetings. additionally, many parents are so overprotective of their children that instead of it being a help it does a great disservice to their child because they don't learn to function in the real world. Oh, that is just.... absolutely hilarious!!! "Society will develop a new kind of servitude which covers the surface of society with a network of complicated rules, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate. It does not tyrannise but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd." ― Alexis de Tocqueville A statist is an individual who erroneously believes that there is such a thing as "authority" vested in certain human beings magically giving them the "right to rule" over other people. This "authority" means that certain people who we call "government", have the "moral right" to issue commands to those whom they rule (those under their "jurisdiction"), and that their "subjects" (slaves) have a "moral obligation" to obey the arbitrary dictates set by their masters. Most simply put, a statist is someone who believes in the legitimacy of slavery. Nothing more readily exemplifies this principle than the modern united States system of education. We surrender our next generation, the whole future to the "government". But when the result is as should be expected, the masses whale at the unfairness of receiving that which they asked for. |
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I can say I'm not the brightest crayon in the box,...what I can't understand....is why back in the days of the "little red school house"...the outcome was planes, trains, automobiles, amazing things with science,...boys and girls that were determined and driven enough to bring us where we are today...and now most can't even add without a machine or much less write in cursive...hmmmm  One word: GOVERNMENT |
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Simple answer...... "What's wrong with our schools?"......govt got involved in education Bingo!!!! That, of course, is a big part of it but how much of it is due to the teacher's unions? Hey Joe :)...How much?...Plenty!...Teachers unions are the most powerful influence in education today for two reasons...They are extremely well organized and they are hugely funded...They have the financial power needed to affect political elections and control decision making in every single school district...Unions do contribute in positive ways, but by putting the focus on teacher security at the expense of student educational needs they do more harm than good...Administrators can't properly evaluate teachers and bad teachers cannot be fired!..IMO, the first thing that needs to go is tenure.... Excellent idea, let's address the symptom, punish the least likely to effect the outcome and sweep the problem under the carpet. |
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those that find culprits create more culprits, those that find brilliance create more brilliance.
those that find ugly create more ugly, those that find beauty create more beauty. |
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they are too busy thieving and politicking! http://laborpains.org/2014/11/20/new-york-teachers-union-boss-booked-for-alleged-200000-theft/ http://laborpains.org/2014/10/07/kids-left-behind-as-randis-minions-walk-out-in-waukegan/ http://laborpains.org/2014/09/09/so-much-for-solidarity-teachers-union-provokes-fellow-union-rank-and-file-members/ http://laborpains.org/category/center-for-union-facts/ And what makes any of this different from any other part of society? |
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Edited by
alnewman
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Thu 12/04/14 08:55 PM
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they are too busy thieving and politicking! http://laborpains.org/2014/11/20/new-york-teachers-union-boss-booked-for-alleged-200000-theft/ http://laborpains.org/2014/10/07/kids-left-behind-as-randis-minions-walk-out-in-waukegan/ http://laborpains.org/2014/09/09/so-much-for-solidarity-teachers-union-provokes-fellow-union-rank-and-file-members/ http://laborpains.org/category/center-for-union-facts/  I read each article...Hope those with school age children take the time to read them too... For what purpose? So they can go to the polls and elect the other team? Or would this be so they could get their fair share? |
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the maniacal that see maniacal create maniacal with it's very word and deed.
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they are too busy thieving and politicking! http://laborpains.org/2014/11/20/new-york-teachers-union-boss-booked-for-alleged-200000-theft/ http://laborpains.org/2014/10/07/kids-left-behind-as-randis-minions-walk-out-in-waukegan/ http://laborpains.org/2014/09/09/so-much-for-solidarity-teachers-union-provokes-fellow-union-rank-and-file-members/ http://laborpains.org/category/center-for-union-facts/ I read each article...Hope those with school age children take the time to read them too... Sure hope so! Why? What would actually be gained? Would somehow the ignorant become brilliant? Would they stop paying their property tax or would the result be a lot of tears in their beers before the next games comes on? |
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that which see evil in the world create more evil in the world with it's every word and deed.
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parents are the ones who hold power over school boards. they are the ones who elect superintendent and other school board officials. much of the school policies can't be effected until they have a certain percentage approval vote by parents. many parents complain about everything that is wrong with schools but have a great apathy when it comes to effecting change. the parents who complain most are often the ones who never attend any meetings. additionally, many parents are so overprotective of their children that instead of it being a help it does a great disservice to their child because they don't learn to function in the real world. Oh, that is just.... absolutely hilarious!!! "Society will develop a new kind of servitude which covers the surface of society with a network of complicated rules, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate. It does not tyrannise but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd." ― Alexis de Tocqueville A statist is an individual who erroneously believes that there is such a thing as "authority" vested in certain human beings magically giving them the "right to rule" over other people. This "authority" means that certain people who we call "government", have the "moral right" to issue commands to those whom they rule (those under their "jurisdiction"), and that their "subjects" (slaves) have a "moral obligation" to obey the arbitrary dictates set by their masters. Most simply put, a statist is someone who believes in the legitimacy of slavery. Nothing more readily exemplifies this principle than the modern united States system of education. We surrender our next generation, the whole future to the "government". But when the result is as should be expected, the masses whale at the unfairness of receiving that which they asked for. I see you are copying from others on the internet again and passing it off as your writing. It appears you don't even understand the context of what you copy. I guess you think it sounds "cool". 
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