Topic: Obama's Plan: Is it legal?
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Thu 11/27/14 09:56 AM


22 Times Obama Said It Was Not Possible To Create Immigration Law Without Congress

http://benswann.com/22-times-obama-said-it-was-not-possible-to-create-immigration-law-without-congress/

1. On March 31, 2008, during a presidential campaign speech:

“I take the Constitution very seriously. The biggest problems that we’re facing right now have to do with the president trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m President of the United States of America.”

2. On May 19, 2008, during a presidential campaign speech:

“We’ve got a government designed by the Founders so that there’d be checks and balances. You don’t want a president who’s too powerful or a Congress that’s too powerful or a court that’s too powerful. Everybody’s got their own role. Congress’s job is to pass legislation. The president can veto it or he can sign it. I believe in the Constitution and I will obey the Constitution of the United States. We’re not going to use signing statements as a way of doing an end-run around Congress.”


3. On May 5, 2010, during a speech at a Cinco de Mayo celebration:

“Comprehensive reform, that’s how we’re going to solve this problem. Anybody who tells you it’s going to be easy or that I can wave a magic wand and make it happen hasn’t been paying attention to how this town works.”

4. On July 1, 2010, during a speech at the American University School of International Service:

“There are those in the immigrants’ rights community who have argued passionately that we should simply provide those who are here illegally with legal status, or at least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws. I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair. It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision. And this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration. And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally. Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship. And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable.”

5. October 14, 2010, during a Question-and-Answer session at an MTV/BET Town Hall Meeting:

“I do have an obligation to make sure that I am following some of the rules. I can’t simply ignore laws that are out there. I’ve got to work to make sure that they are changed.”

6. On October 25, 2010, during an interview for a Univision radio program:

“I am president, I am not king. I can’t do these things just by myself. We have a system of government that requires the Congress to work with the Executive Branch to make it happen. I’m committed to making it happen, but I’ve got to have some partners to do it,” said Obama. “The most important thing that we can do is to change the law because the way the system works – again, I just want to repeat, I’m president, I’m not king. If Congress has laws on the books that says that people who are here who are not documented have to be deported, then I can exercise some flexibility in terms of where we deploy our resources, to focus on people who are really causing problems as a opposed to families who are just trying to work and support themselves. But there’s a limit to the discretion that I can show because I am obliged to execute the law. That’s what the Executive Branch means. I can’t just make the laws up by myself. So the most important thing that we can do is focus on changing the underlying laws.”

7. On March 28, 2011, during a Question-and-Answer session at a Univision Town Hall meeting:

“America is a nation of laws, which means I, as the President, am obligated to enforce the law. I don’t have a choice about that. That’s part of my job. But I can advocate for changes in the law so that we have a country that is both respectful of the law but also continues to be a great nation of immigrants,” said Obama. “With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed. We’ve got three branches of government. Congress passes the law. The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws. And then the judiciary has to interpret the laws. There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.”

8. On April 20, 2011, during a Question-and-Answer session at a Town Hall Meeting in Palo Alto, California:

“We’re going to have to have bipartisan support in order to make it happen,” said Obama. “I can’t do it by myself. We’re going to have to change the laws in Congress, but I’m confident we can make it happen.”

9. On April 29, 2011, during a commencement address at Miami Dade College:

“I know some here wish that I could just bypass Congress and change the law myself. But that’s not how democracy works. See, democracy is hard. But it’s right. Changing our laws means doing the hard work of changing minds and changing votes, one by one.”

10. On May 10, 2011, during a speech at the Chamizal National Memorial in El Paso, Texas:

“Sometimes when I talk to immigration advocates, they wish I could just bypass Congress and change the law myself. But that’s not how a democracy works. What we really need to do is to keep up the fight to pass genuine, comprehensive reform. That is the ultimate solution to this problem. That’s what I’m committed to doing.”

11. On July 25, 2011, during a speech at the National Council of La Raza:

“I swore an oath to uphold the laws on the books,” said Obama. “Now, I know some people want me to bypass Congress and change the laws on my own. Believe me, the idea of doing things on my own is very tempting. I promise you. Not just on immigration reform. But that’s not how our system works. That’s not how our democracy functions. That’s not how our Constitution is written.”

12. September 28, 2011, during roundtable discussion session titled Open for Questions:

“So what we’ve tried to do is within the constraints of the laws on the books, we’ve tried to be as fair, humane, just as we can, recognizing, though, that the laws themselves need to be changed,” said Obama. “The most important thing for your viewers and listeners and readers to understand is that in order to change our laws, we’ve got to get it through the House of Representatives, which is currently controlled by Republicans, and we’ve got to get 60 votes in the Senate. Administratively, we can’t ignore the law. I just have to continue to say this notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally is just not true. We are doing everything we can administratively. But the fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think there’s been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It’s just not true. … We live in a democracy. You have to pass bills through the legislature, and then I can sign it. And if all the attention is focused away from the legislative process, then that is going to lead to a constant dead-end. We have to recognize how the system works, and then apply pressure to those places where votes can be gotten and, ultimately, we can get this thing solved.”

13. On September 20, 2012, during a Question-and-Answer session at a Univision Town Hall Meeting:

“Now, what I’ve always said is, as the head of the executive branch, there’s a limit to what I can do. Part of the reason that deportations went up was Congress put a whole lot of money into it, and when you have a lot of resources and a lot more agents involved, then there are going to be higher numbers. What we’ve said is, let’s make sure that you’re not misdirecting those resources. But we’re still going to, ultimately, have to change the laws in order to avoid some of the heartbreaking stories that you see coming up occasionally. And that’s why this continues to be a top priority of mine. … And we will continue to make sure that how we enforce is done as fairly and justly as possible. But until we have a law in place that provides a pathway for legalization and/or citizenship for the folks in question, we’re going to continue to be bound by the law. … And so part of the challenge as President is constantly saying, ‘what authorities do I have?’”

14. On October 16, 2012, during a speech for a presidential debate:

“We are a nation of immigrants. … But we’re also a nation of laws. So what I’ve said is, we need to fix a broken immigration system. And I’ve done everything that I can on my own.”

15. On January 30, 2013, during an interview for a Univison radio program:

“I’m not a king. I am the head of the executive branch of government. I’m required to follow the law. And that’s what we’ve done. But what I’ve also said is, let’s make sure that we’re applying the law in a way that takes into account people’s humanity. That’s the reason that we moved forward on deferred action. Within the confines of the law we said, we have some discretion in terms of how we apply this law.”

16. On January 30, 2013, during an interview with Noticiero Telemundo:

“I’m not a king. You know, my job, as the head of the executive branch ultimately is to carry out the law. And, you know, when it comes to enforcement of our immigration laws, we’ve got some discretion. We can prioritize what we do. But we can’t simply ignore the law. When it comes to the dreamers, we were able to identify that group and say, ‘These folks are generally not a risk. They’re not involved in crime. … And so let’s prioritize our enforcement resources.’ But to sort through all the possible cases of everybody who might have a sympathetic story to tell is very difficult to do. This is why we need comprehensive immigration reform. To make sure that once and for all, in a way that is, you know, ratified by Congress, we can say that there is a pathway to citizenship for people who are staying out of trouble, who are trying to do the right thing, who’ve put down roots here. … My job is to carry out the law. And so Congress gives us a whole bunch of resources. They give us an order that we’ve got to go out there and enforce the laws that are on the books. … If this was an issue that I could do unilaterally I would have done it a long time ago. … The way our system works is Congress has to pass legislation. I then get an opportunity to sign it and implement it.”

17. February 14, 2013, during an interview at a Google Hangout session:

“This is something I’ve struggled with throughout my presidency. The problem is that I’m the president of the United States I’m not the emperor of the United States. My job is to execute laws that are passed. And Congress right now has not changed what I consider to be a broken immigration system. And what that means is that we have certain obligations to enforce the laws that are in place even if we think that in many cases the results may be tragic.”

18. On July 16, 2013, during an interview with Univision:

“I think that it is very important for us to recognize that the way to solve this problem has to be legislative. I can do some things and have done some things that make a difference in the lives of people by determining how our enforcement should focus. … And we’ve been able to provide help through deferred action for young people. But this is a problem that needs to be fixed legislatively.”

19. September 17, 2013, during an interview with Telemundo:

“My job in the executive branch is supposed to be to carry out the laws that are passed. Congress has said ‘here is the law’ when it comes to those who are undocumented, and they’ve allocated a whole bunch of money for enforcement. And, what I have been able to do is to make a legal argument that I think is absolutely right, which is that given the resources that we have, we can’t do everything that Congress has asked us to do. What we can do is then carve out the DREAM Act folks, saying young people who have basically grown up here are Americans that we should welcome. … But if we start broadening that, then essentially I would be ignoring the law in a way that I think would be very difficult to defend legally. So that’s not an option. … What I’ve said is there is a there’s a path to get this done, and that’s through Congress.”

20. On November 25, 2013, during a speech on immigration reform:

“If, in fact, I could solve all these problems without passing laws in Congress, then I would do so. But we’re also a nation of laws. That’s part of our tradition. And so the easy way out is to try to yell and pretend like I can do something by violating our laws. And what I’m proposing is the harder path, which is to use our democratic processes to achieve the same goal that you want to achieve. … It is not simply a matter of us just saying we’re going to violate the law. That’s not our tradition. The great thing about this country is we have this wonderful process of democracy, and sometimes it is messy, and sometimes it is hard, but ultimately, justice and truth win out.”

21. On March 16, 2014, during an interview with Univision News:

“I am the Champion-in-Chief of comprehensive immigration reform. But what I’ve said in the past remains true, which is until Congress passes a new law, then I am constrained in terms of what I am able to do. What I’ve done is to use my prosecutorial discretion, because you can’t enforce the laws across the board for 11 or 12 million people, there aren’t the resources there. What we’ve said is focus on folks who are engaged in criminal activity; focus on people who are engaged in gang activity. Do not focus on young people, who we’re calling dreamers,” said Obama. “That already stretched my administrative capacity very far. But I was confident that that was the right thing to do. But at a certain point the reason that these deportations are taking place is, Congress said, ‘you have to enforce these laws.’ They fund the hiring of officials at the department that’s charged with enforcing. And I cannot ignore those laws any more than I could ignore, you know, any of the other laws that are on the books. That’s why it’s so important for us to get comprehensive immigration reform done this year.”

22. On August 6, 2014, during a speech at a press conference following the U.S.-Africa Leaders Summit:

“I think that I never have a green light [to push the limits of executive power]. I’m bound by the Constitution; I’m bound by separation of powers. There are some things we can’t do. Congress has the power of the purse, for example. … Congress has to pass a budget and authorize spending. So I don’t have a green light. … My preference in all these instances is to work with Congress, because not only can Congress do more, but it’s going to be longer-lasting.”


Isn't it wonderful how this supposedly once upon a time constitutional professor believes law works one way with someone else but entirely differently when it applies to them.

I wonder why Reform wasn't done when his Party controlled both Houses!
I think he's consuming too much Arugula,,which turns into Gas,that ends up in the wrong spot!

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Thu 11/27/14 10:50 AM
FWIW, I will probably change the ending to my commentary (cited in the OP) at least one more time before it is published on that other website.

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Thu 11/27/14 01:35 PM
Edited for targeting members rather than the topic.

soufie
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Thu 11/27/14 01:45 PM

I have rewritten my commentary that I cite in my OP.

Now, after the word "Finally", I say the following:


Not everything that President Obama says or does is wrong or illegal. So, criticisms of President Obama should be taken with a grain of salt ...



... or if you have high blood pressure, with a shot of whisky.



* * * * * * * * * *

Some critics of President Obama (and me) need the shot of whisky, methinks. laugh

Con Granum Saltum?laugh

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Thu 11/27/14 02:16 PM



Actually, plenty of others here are factual.


Apparently, they have me blocked, then. The majority of what I see in this Community is a bunch of emotional, knee-jerking reactionism with limited - if any - citations to legitimate sources which is passed off as "factual".

When I ask others for citations to legitimate sources to back up their emotional posts, most times nothing is provided. On the VERY FEW occasions that a citation IS provided, it's to sites *like*

BillyBob'sAllThingsGreatAnd'Merikan.net



whoa


And where did you get the impression that one here is your slave? Why do they need to provide anything not provided in their post? If you have an issue with the post, look up your own citations and rebut. I love rebuttals.


You also love copying and pasting other peoples work and passing it off as your own..


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Thu 11/27/14 03:24 PM
OK, Everyone, let's take a break from debating. How about some popcorn and a round of drinks?


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Thu 11/27/14 03:31 PM

OK, Everyone, let's take a break from debating. How about some popcorn and a round of drinks?




frack! I want pumpkin pie, amongst other things with whip cream.

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Thu 11/27/14 03:49 PM


OK, Everyone, let's take a break from debating. How about some popcorn and a round of drinks?




frack! I want pumpkin pie, amongst other things with whip cream.


Well, why didn't you say so earlier?

Here. Have a pumpkin pie with a McFlurry.


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Thu 11/27/14 04:49 PM
it should be readily apparent that factual and legal have not decided the whole course of humankind...

hehehehe...

but rather who holds the most power, has decided the course of humankind the most...

and who holds power has nothing to do with legal or factual, it is just a false appearance and belief.

the most power decides which laws are allowed to be created, enforced, implemented, not the laws them self, as if legal and the law was some human entity it self...

as if the "law", and "legal" have some power of their own...

it is no different than debating if "guns" do harm...

that which holds the gun decides that in all cases...

and it truly be no different for the law and legal...

that which has most power, decree the laws and guidelines and definitions of laws...

so how and why does one expect laws or what is legal shall create the course of all actual happenings, and so focus on changing them...

to focus on re shaping public opinion, create what laws shall become created and instituted.

not by trying to shape the laws to shape humankind.

such is backwards logic...

it is totally nefarious utopian notions that create one to believe that if one change a law prohibit it shall change what exist...

huh...

as if it is prohibited or not lawful it shall not exist or occur...

it is against the law to sell drugs, but we have millions upon millions still doing so...

so of course, that which stares at the law, thinking this is the vehicle to change society will forever just add to more of what already exist.

focusing on "legal" and "laws" are simply the illusion that laws and legal create in the human mind...

it would be a far greater grasp on reality to access that mankind is guided most by the most popular opinions of society...

as those create most what become law, and legal, and form the basis of the greatest want of the majority shall decide...

as the most want of the majority, decided what laws were actually put in place to begin with.

smiles






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Thu 11/27/14 09:22 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Thu 11/27/14 09:31 PM
I did it!

Once again I changed the ending to my commentary.

Here is the new one:


Finally, for what it's worth ...

Although President Obama is fallible, his critics are fallible, too. So, criticisms of President Obama should be taken with a grain of salt ...



... or if you have high blood pressure, with a shot of whisky.



* * * * * * * * * *

I also added "Apparently," to the beginning of the sentence that says, "President Obama is trying to conform to the teaching of the ancient Jewish prophet Micah."

davidben1's photo
Thu 11/27/14 09:28 PM
CHEERS!

A TOAST BE IN ORDER!

TO TAKING THE CRITICISMS OF ALL WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, NO MATTER WHERE THEY COME FROM.

drinks

oh...

so excited i almost forgot...

critique is the essence of all excellence.

indeed, the platform of how to create anything better than what was.

oopsie.

damn, ya almost got me!

slick sly cunningly smart words there...

but how about just kind critique...

for without critique humanity would be as officially insane.

is not critique the essence of human sanity...

without it, humans would simply create worse each day, and call it excellence.

probably not a good idea.

peace








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Thu 11/27/14 10:15 PM




Actually, plenty of others here are factual.


Apparently, they have me blocked, then. The majority of what I see in this Community is a bunch of emotional, knee-jerking reactionism with limited - if any - citations to legitimate sources which is passed off as "factual".

When I ask others for citations to legitimate sources to back up their emotional posts, most times nothing is provided. On the VERY FEW occasions that a citation IS provided, it's to sites *like*

BillyBob'sAllThingsGreatAnd'Merikan.net



whoa


And where did you get the impression that one here is your slave? Why do they need to provide anything not provided in their post? If you have an issue with the post, look up your own citations and rebut. I love rebuttals.


You also love copying and pasting other peoples work and passing it off as your own..




At least it's work, got anything to add? Thought not.

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Sat 11/29/14 04:49 AM
Edited by fleta_n_mach on Sat 11/29/14 05:00 AM





Actually, plenty of others here are factual.


Apparently, they have me blocked, then. The majority of what I see in this Community is a bunch of emotional, knee-jerking reactionism with limited - if any - citations to legitimate sources which is passed off as "factual".

When I ask others for citations to legitimate sources to back up their emotional posts, most times nothing is provided. On the VERY FEW occasions that a citation IS provided, it's to sites *like*

BillyBob'sAllThingsGreatAnd'Merikan.net



whoa


And where did you get the impression that one here is your slave? Why do they need to provide anything not provided in their post? If you have an issue with the post, look up your own citations and rebut. I love rebuttals.


You also love copying and pasting other peoples work and passing it off as your own..




At least it's work, got anything to add? Thought not.


No, that is called plagiarism. Not work. Not your work. Laziness, even though you think you may be feverishly working at copying and pasting someone else's work and taking credit as your own.

And.....is that legal? Stealing other writers published or non-published work?

or is it just unethical?

or the ramblings of an incoherent mind focused on dissent and conspiracy, Al?

at the very least, that "work" you say, makes you NON-CREDIBLE, since you are not citing it.

et:

I think DISCREDITED is a better word of works for you to be using. JMHO.

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Sun 11/30/14 09:04 PM






Actually, plenty of others here are factual.


Apparently, they have me blocked, then. The majority of what I see in this Community is a bunch of emotional, knee-jerking reactionism with limited - if any - citations to legitimate sources which is passed off as "factual".

When I ask others for citations to legitimate sources to back up their emotional posts, most times nothing is provided. On the VERY FEW occasions that a citation IS provided, it's to sites *like*

BillyBob'sAllThingsGreatAnd'Merikan.net



whoa


And where did you get the impression that one here is your slave? Why do they need to provide anything not provided in their post? If you have an issue with the post, look up your own citations and rebut. I love rebuttals.


You also love copying and pasting other peoples work and passing it off as your own..




At least it's work, got anything to add? Thought not.


No, that is called plagiarism. Not work. Not your work. Laziness, even though you think you may be feverishly working at copying and pasting someone else's work and taking credit as your own.

And.....is that legal? Stealing other writers published or non-published work?

or is it just unethical?

or the ramblings of an incoherent mind focused on dissent and conspiracy, Al?

at the very least, that "work" you say, makes you NON-CREDIBLE, since you are not citing it.

et:

I think DISCREDITED is a better word of works for you to be using. JMHO.


Actually you would be wrong again as usual. Another case where the emotion rules and one goes off half cocked without doing their homework.

As to the works of Mark Passio, you have clearly demonstrated you know absolutely nothing about them much less the man himself. And from his teachings, you are not one he would appreciate I share with anything not readily available with.

And in your mind, I would prefer to be discredited. But I do love the apparent effect I have upon you and will continue for the future. I will take every opportunity to expose all those little snafus of misinformation.

But in the infamous words of Mark:

Human beings should consider with great care their sources for information. By refusing to present certain information, and by influencing people to dismiss certain information as unimportant or unnecessary to consider, many modern institutions seek to control human perceptions and therefore to limit what human beings may come to understand.

By the way, Mark's thinking is very much in align with mine, but he is much better at etymology than myself. So your objection isn't so much the sourcing but the absolute fear of the information itself.

Tell you what, I'm due to go back and review some other works of his that I haven't been to in a while. I pass along some notes on that without cites also as his material is all CopyLeft.

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Sun 11/30/14 09:38 PM
Kinda funny...last time I checked all the governments kinda do as they please...legal or not...I could bet money that after Obama,..the next one in is going to do the same kinda thing...promise what we the people wanna hear...but heads with congress, senate, and house...and not impress a large amount of people...kinda seems to be how it works..

davidben1's photo
Sun 11/30/14 10:05 PM
obviously SUM can sea beyond the grand charade.

thanks the gods for the unfollowers.

thank god for those who do not but mimic monkey hear monkey say.

thank mum and pop for those who still know strategy versus the false guise of thinking one self wise by finding what is true or untrue.

the mind that make it's goal to decide what be true and untrue, false and unfalse, good or bad, sea nothing but it self as the stars of the sky.

legal and unlegal...

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


Conrad_73's photo
Mon 12/01/14 01:10 AM







Actually, plenty of others here are factual.


Apparently, they have me blocked, then. The majority of what I see in this Community is a bunch of emotional, knee-jerking reactionism with limited - if any - citations to legitimate sources which is passed off as "factual".

When I ask others for citations to legitimate sources to back up their emotional posts, most times nothing is provided. On the VERY FEW occasions that a citation IS provided, it's to sites *like*

BillyBob'sAllThingsGreatAnd'Merikan.net



whoa


And where did you get the impression that one here is your slave? Why do they need to provide anything not provided in their post? If you have an issue with the post, look up your own citations and rebut. I love rebuttals.


You also love copying and pasting other peoples work and passing it off as your own..




At least it's work, got anything to add? Thought not.


No, that is called plagiarism. Not work. Not your work. Laziness, even though you think you may be feverishly working at copying and pasting someone else's work and taking credit as your own.

And.....is that legal? Stealing other writers published or non-published work?

or is it just unethical?

or the ramblings of an incoherent mind focused on dissent and conspiracy, Al?

at the very least, that "work" you say, makes you NON-CREDIBLE, since you are not citing it.

et:

I think DISCREDITED is a better word of works for you to be using. JMHO.


Actually you would be wrong again as usual. Another case where the emotion rules and one goes off half cocked without doing their homework.

As to the works of Mark Passio, you have clearly demonstrated you know absolutely nothing about them much less the man himself. And from his teachings, you are not one he would appreciate I share with anything not readily available with.

And in your mind, I would prefer to be discredited. But I do love the apparent effect I have upon you and will continue for the future. I will take every opportunity to expose all those little snafus of misinformation.

But in the infamous words of Mark:

Human beings should consider with great care their sources for information. By refusing to present certain information, and by influencing people to dismiss certain information as unimportant or unnecessary to consider, many modern institutions seek to control human perceptions and therefore to limit what human beings may come to understand.

By the way, Mark's thinking is very much in align with mine, but he is much better at etymology than myself. So your objection isn't so much the sourcing but the absolute fear of the information itself.

Tell you what, I'm due to go back and review some other works of his that I haven't been to in a while. I pass along some notes on that without cites also as his material is all CopyLeft.

Would that be Illuminati-Passio,Friend of Icke The Reptilian?

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Mon 12/01/14 02:29 AM
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Mon 12/01/14 10:41 AM
Is it legal? I am not sure because the legal system can be so twisted sometimes. Is it how the country was designed to run according to the founding fathers? I don't think so. Basically the executive branch is there to ensure the laws are properly executed. Instead he gives an order that basically says to enforce current law. That sounds like the exact opposite of what he is supposed to do.

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 12/01/14 10:48 AM
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-roberts-20141201-story.html

With executive action, Obama risks losing Chief Justice John Roberts.


Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. surprised many two years ago by siding with liberals on the court to uphold President Obama's Affordable Care Act, but he has shown increasing skepticism toward what conservatives call Obama's tendency to overreach.