HD satellite image of alleged UA fighter attacking MH17?

Judge for yourself, but it sure looks like a missile launch from a Ukrainian jet to me...... So much for the narrative it was pro-Russian ground forces....

Of course the denials and/or silence from the media and western sources is deafening.....

Click on the pic to enlarge it

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc3_1415985472

Could have been a Ukrainian missile.
But then, why are commercial jets flying over a hostel military battle zone? To save money on fuel or save time? Sue them.

1. The Kremlin Today and the Russian Military reported that the jet was a SU-25. The Jet in the picture was not a SU-25

http://rt.com/news/174412-malaysia-plane-russia-ukraine/

2. The distance between the jets is approximately 35 miles. Refer to the Kremlin Today article above as to what they claimed the SU-25 was carrying as armaments and its maximum effective range.

3. You can clearly see the contrail from the missile, but no contrails from either jet.

4. The blurring of the supposed Ukrainian jet and the clear as day view of the supposed 777.

Last but not least... and the most comical..

Based on a point to point distance... The 777 measures about 17,000 feet long.

We know that the Kremlin Today is probably the most accurate and trustworthy news source in the world.

So either this image is fake as hell or Putin is lying to us.

What a dilemma.

And you would know all of this how? What way points were used to run the calculation?

At what altitude was the satellite and at what angle to the horizon? What was the altitude of the 777 and the fighter?

Just what calculations were used to determine the size of the planes?

And 35 miles? First, using a figure of 50-60 feet for the average fighter length (SU-25 is 50' 11-1/2") which would place the missile about 200 feet away.

And Putin lying, what ever would ever give you that impression, because Odumbo is telling the truth or maybe Camergoon told you so?

Personally, I find RT to deliver a much more accurate version of a story that any the the corporate media. But then why believe in facts when using exaggerations is much more convenient?

The military jet is certainly not a SU-25 Frogfoot.

I don't know if this was mentioned before. But flight MH17 was summoned to fly lower altitude when it was over Ukraine area.
By the Ukrainian air traffic control center. And it also had to change
course dictated by the Ukraine air traffic control. Which was unusual. Because normally it would have flown another course over the Ukraine.
Which makes it sound really suspicious to me. Why the sudden change in altitude and course. Also there have been witnesses that heard the plane getting hit. And saw a second plane close to it. The West was
soon there to convict Russia for it. Without even waiting for the black box and examining the crash site. So they where already biased.

Putin's RT?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/08/russia-today-western-cynics-lap-up-putins-tv-poison

Russia Today: why western cynics lap up Putin's TV poison

It's no surprise that the Kremlin delights in piping TV propaganda to the world it is guaranteed a receptive audience


yep,that Sixties,"Lieber Rot als Tot"-Crowd,is still very much alive!

Both RT as the Western media is attacking each other with propaganda.
But i agree with a lot that is been broadcasted on RT. And there are
terrible things that people do not see on Western media. For example Odessa where the pro-government supporters have stormed a building. Without provocation. And have killed all the Ukraine/Russian people inside that building horribly. They even strangled a pregnant genitor. That was just working in that government building that day. The police stood outside and did nothing. There was little news about that in the
Western press. For me i do not care where the news comes from. As long as it is objective and honest. I do not see myselve
happy in a "Lieber Rot als Tot" society. Where everyone had to watch
their neighbours. And could not speak out their mind. But i do not
feel comfortable either in Western society. With it's double standard
moral.

Russian state TV has broadcast what it claimed to be a photo of the moment Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet. But many commentators dismissed the image as a "crude fake".
Late on 14 November, Russia's state-controlled Channel One TV broadcastwhat appeared to be a satellite photo of a passenger plane and a jet fighter in the skies above Donetsk, a separatist stronghold in Ukraine. It was, the report said, the moment the Ukrainian jet fired a missile at MH17.
This theory has long been promoted by pro-Kremlin media, and it came to the fore again as President Vladimir Putin was preparing to meet world leaders at the G20 summit in Australia. He is widely expected to face some tough questions over Russia's alleged role in the Ukraine crisis and the downing of MH17.
Channel One said the "sensational photograph" came from a certain George Bilt, who claimed to be a Massachusetts Institute of Technology graduate with more than two decades of experience in the aviation industry. He emailed it to Ivan Andriyevsky, the first vice-president of the Russian Union of Engineers, the report went on.
"We can assume that the photograph was taken by an American or British satellite," Andriyevskiy told Channel One, "we have studied the photograph in detail and found nothing suggesting that it is fake."
The presenter, well-known pro-Kremlin commentator Mikhail Leontyev, agreed. "To fake something like this, you'd have to be an even bigger professional than to have access to this kind of information," he said.
Mr Leontyev also suggested that the timing of the report was not accidental either. "We know that Australian Prime Minister Abbott threatened to ask our president some difficult questions about the Malaysian Boeing. Let us help him," Leontyev said at the start of the broadcast.
Online scepticism
But shortly after the broadcast, many web users concluded that the image broadcast by Channel One was a crude forgery rather than a solid piece of evidence.
Several commentators pointed out that the "Malaysia" logo on the plane from the photograph was in the wrong place. Maksim Kats, a Russian blogger, said the plane in the picture looked like a slightly altered version of the one that tops the search results if you Google " Boeing view from above" in Russian. It also happens to be a publicity photo of a Boeing 767, not a 777, which was shot down over Ukraine in July.
Others noted that the fighter jet looked different from an Su-25 - the type which the Russian media had consistently claimed shot down MH17.
There were also claims that the shape of clouds in the satellite image proved that it actually came from a Google Earth photo of the area taken on 28 August 2012.
Furthermore, those who carried out a reverse image search on Google found that the photograph with the two planes was not so new or exclusive after all: it was first uploaded to a Russian forum on 15 October. Its source was claimed to be "enthusiasts from the Russian wikileaks".
'Crude fake'
The apparent flaws in Channel One's report triggered a torrent of ridicule. Ilya Varlamov, one of Russia's most popular bloggers, called Channel One's claim "a crudely photoshopped fake... just one episode in the information war". "Keep your brain clean, don't watch TV," he urged his readers.
And one user on Russia's Aviaforum website said: "We'd have a good laugh about it, if the topic wasn't so tragic".

Your point about the satellite's altitude seems curious. Even spy satellites fly well over 100 miles high, so an airliner flying at about 6 miles (33,000 ft) would still look about as big against the Earth surface and not the thousands of feet it seems to span in the RT photos.

Also, there's the uncomfortable fact that the Separatist Commander tweeting their shooting-down a Ukranian transport plane minutes after MH17 was downed (which he deleted shortly after learning it was a civilian plane)

Lastly, I'd like to point out that a couple RT personalities have already resigned over the network's propaganda and lies. RT simply isn't all that trustworthy. You'd have to watch something like Fox News to find a worse news source.

How can one use any data presented to prove a truth, unless one first knows the actual truth it self, to see who be telling the actual truth.

who can know the actual truth, unless it self was actually present.

Hilarious, using the Guardian as some sort of authoritative source to discredit another. But then without the ability to form one's own opinion, I guess it is always better to be spoon fed by that which the government approves.



Amazing at how prejudice will override reason to such a degree that one can only see that which one wants to see, not the reality of what is actually there. What was known as "Soviet Russia" is now more readily applied to the "Democracy" of the "West".

Really and so now you are an expert in satellite technology? So what you are trying to say is that some idiot wasted an enormous amount of very precious fuel making sure a satellite was directly overhead at just the right moment? And how would they know the right moment? And how many years experience do you have working with those marvelous cameras on these spy satellites? I would say none or you would know that the photo was a side scan at some certain altitude above the horizon. Unless you know the altitude and attitude, it is impossible to know any of the data other than a nice picture. But what are facts when emotions are so much more dramatic?



And you really should read your source:

"Economics Expert 4 months ago

This debunks the video supposedly showing the rebels talking about shooting down the airliner as fake, it shows the timestamp of the creation of the video as 1 day earlier & uploaded hours before the actual airliner shot down
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/ukraine-releases-youtube-clip-proving-rebels-shot-down-malaysian-flight-mh-17
&
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/was-flight-mh-17-diverted-over-restricted-airspace
"While there are various questions that have already emerged from what was supposed to be Ukraine’s "slam dunk" proof confirming Russian rebel involvement in today's MH-17 tragedy, perhaps one just as gaping question emerges when one looks at what is clearly an outlier flight path in today's final, and tragic, departure of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777.

Perhaps the best visualization of what the issue is, comes from Vagelis Karmiros who has collated all the recent MH-17 flight paths as tracked by Flightaware and shows that while all ten most recent paths pass safely well south of the Donetsk region, and cross the zone above the Sea of Azov, it was only today's tragic flight that passed straight overhead Donetsk.

Why is the diversion from the traditional flight path and passage over the highlighted zone a concern? Because as the following map from the WSJ shows this is precisely where the restricted airspace is.

So perhaps before coming to "certain" conclusion about the involvement of this rebel or that, the key questions one should ask before casting blame, is why did the pilot divert from his usual flight plan, why did he fly above restricted airspace, and just what, if any instructions, did Kiev air control give the pilot in the minutes before the tragic explosion?"



And lastly, another set of facts ignored. And you mean these two idiots?

Russia Today Anchor Quits Live On Air Over "Whitewashed" Coverage Of Putin

And Ms. Wahl has such iron ethics"

Liz Wahl Would Definitely Join CNN and ‘Maybe’ Join MSNBC

And I do watch Fox News, Monday through Friday mornings. The local weather girl is a little ditzy but they do have great graphics.

Speaking of ditzy, when one has very little critical thinking skills, it always behooves one not to get out of the main stream as the messages may confuse and not let one know how to think.