My ex wouldn't even pay the fee for divorce papers when his wife didn't want anything at all from him.
Marriage is one thing I can live without. If I ever get married it will be much later in life. You can't trust a man. Look at the way this man views his wife, it's like that in the relationships I've had with men, they don't want long term anything and when they want it to be over you are nothing to them...for this man his wife's existance is not even worth noting and he just can't comprehend why other women don't find that attarctive. What a blank!

As if a woman has NEVER been untrustworthy.

I'm just shocked at the things men do to decent women everyday all over the freaking world, in my life as well, is that alright with you sir?

Wow, that was a gruesome fusillade if I'm 'this man'?

I'm sorry for your experiences but will not take anything seriously about my dealings with ex-wife from you. You know not enough.

The fact that you are still married but looking says that you don't take marriage seriously.

Yup. I also did this with 1st ex. He filed the papers he received in the trash can. Got the divorce without him. Here, the lawyer just take out a newspaper ad in the respondents local town, saying "Notice of Divorce". That simple. No signature or consent required. No fault.

Does the ex wife get her youth back once she gets divorced? Women lose more than men in divorce, the least a man can do is wait for the divorce to finalize before they start looking for a new woman. It's like you're trading in an old car for a new one.

We were married 8 years- separated 1- sold property (acquired) while married - split profit 1/2 equally -filed non-contested divorce- 3 times to court "Judge signs!! papers" simple procedure!! Nothing to fight over--- so its over!! No Fault Divorce, Not contested!! That easy!!

Does the man get his youth back?? You loose and win in any situation!! Peace of mind in the end is all one can hope for!! Stop grinding that ax and move on !!!

Hmm, I may be guilty of the same shallow conclusions you have about me. But what the heck! It seems when reading between your lines, that your relationship is not over yet, despite you are divorced?

I have never believed that wading in self pity makes any good for one self. My feelings are over since long time, do I have a debt to pay for someone I have lived with?

Further more, no I don't take marriage seriously. It's an outdated institution made by the church and the state long time ago. Over the years it has been proven that it means bull**** in the end, as someone eloquently expressed before. I have never cheated in my relationships but someone cheated me. That was not a man I was living together with
Holy Horror! Women are evil! NOT!!!

You never stop loving anyone. Love doesn't end because you take care of "unfinished legalities". Pay the woman. Get done with it. That love changes and eventually forgiveness happens....someday....stop punishing her.

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I have this notion that people in your country are very stubborn.

I have never been married and that's because men are not worth marrying.

Personally I find most of the institutions and traditions outdated. What does a signature on any paper mean, including a marriage certificate?
Without honest intentions to follow the words by actions that are expected it means nothing. I see signing that certificate just as symbolic formality. One doesn't need bells and whistles to announce the whole world love and commitment.
If you ask me it as a waste of time and money. Just a theater play for the crowd. That's how I see it, but it doesn't mean that I disrespect those who care for the tradition.
It was an honour to get an invitation to my friend's wedding, despite the fact both he and his wife knew how I felt about the ceremony. I accepted it and behaved accordingly, because I wanted to be there if it meant so much to them. That's what friends are for.

On the other hand, however one feels about a marriage or common law relationship it still has legal implications and consequences that should be taken into consideration. Especially when kids are involved.
However, even in relationships without children one should keep in mind some important laws, especially the ones referring to taxes and inheritance that take into account the marital status and any property, asset or source(s) of income acquired while the couple was not separated.
Some people hope they will let those issues resolve themselves by simply claiming it doesn't matter to them since they separated from their partner. Their next married or common law partner might still get a blast from the past type of letter from an ex's lawyer who wants to discuss few issues with both partners since they share some financial concerns as a couple.
So simply walking away from the past doesn't mean anything is over. The past never goes away until it comes back to remind us on our mistakes.
Nothing is over until it's completely over. So, as one friend of mind has put it:" it's better to get over with the past than to forward unresolved problems to the future life and future wife."

Really? Well, I am sorry, but I can't agree with you. Not all (wo)men are SOBs.

I might be less likely to believe them on here ... about separation & getting a divorce ... but if say a meet was to happen and they live in two separate dwellings and either or had a S/O already moved in ... then I would say their telling the truth & waiting on the final papers ... I am not sure if I would ask to see the court papers ... guess I would have to really like someone a lot first

I have the notion that you misunderstood me! There is no punishment, I have paid her and still do monthly. My question of emotional debt was for Estelle79! What's the matter with reading skills!!

That post hit the mark!! Can't agree much more! If I meet someone worth of getting married again, I will do it despite my opinions of the matter because it would be a small price to pay. For all of you that do not understand or do not want to understand, the price to pay is my acceptance of opinion/belief of the better half!!

Btw, I was living on Martha street in Burlington for 1.5 year, loved the area and winery's around Lake Ontario!!

Peter

I would not only ask to see all the relevant papers (and provide mine, of course), but also to discuss all important issues from health to financial ones.
You tell me now type of situation is never a good situation. Life shall put any love to a test with unpleasant surprises such as, for example, oh you tell me now that you had more than one marriage and two children with the women you left overseas to raise them on her own, or, what happened to honesty when we talked about some inherited health conditions you have "forgotten to mention".
Some things should be told to a partner in advance. If people have unfinished business I wouldn't have any business with them regardless my feelings or their firm promises.

Really? Why are you using MY WORDS NOW to explain your point of view three pages later? If that's how you truly feel it would show in FIRST FEW POSTS YOU WROTE.
So, my conclusion was correct. You really think you are THAT GOOD. It didn't take you long to choose whose post to ignore and whose to reward with a smile.
Those who care about the better half do not leave unfinished business when looking for a newer and better better half. There is a way to get things done and over with even if former better half delays them for whatever reason.
So, please, do not pee on my leg while you're telling me it's raining. LOL