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rethinking the math.... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140127-black-hole-stephen-hawking-firewall-space-astronomy/ http://phys.org/news/2015-01-black-holes-space-theory.html http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050328/full/news050328-8.html No one has disproved Einstein's General Theory Of Relativity. On the contrary, it has been verified in every possible way. The papers you quote are more fringe science than science and philosophical than scientific. In the real world (or universe actually) we have found that supermassive black holes are at the center of all major galaxies. Saying, for example, that the event horizon of each black hole cannot be accurately determined therefore the black hole doesn't exist is silly since the black holes do, in fact, exist. Their mass can be calculated. Their positions accurately charted and sometime they can be visually observed if they happen to be having a meal. If Einstein's equations concerning gravity's effect on time work everywhere else, we don't need much of a reach to apply those rules to the black hole also. The physics that don't work are at the center of the black hole (the singularity). The equations of gravity mostly all include dividing by the radius distance from the calculated point to the center of gravity, which in this case is zero distant. Dividing by zero doesn't work in math so the formulas blow up. It's really that simple. i'll just say this... the closer we are to anything(black hole) in the universe, the more definite the data becomes... when we study objects the are millions and millions of light years away, we don't see/ find everything... We don't need to. |
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rethinking the math.... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140127-black-hole-stephen-hawking-firewall-space-astronomy/ http://phys.org/news/2015-01-black-holes-space-theory.html http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050328/full/news050328-8.html No one has disproved Einstein's General Theory Of Relativity. On the contrary, it has been verified in every possible way. The papers you quote are more fringe science than science and philosophical than scientific. In the real world (or universe actually) we have found that supermassive black holes are at the center of all major galaxies. Saying, for example, that the event horizon of each black hole cannot be accurately determined therefore the black hole doesn't exist is silly since the black holes do, in fact, exist. Their mass can be calculated. Their positions accurately charted and sometime they can be visually observed if they happen to be having a meal. If Einstein's equations concerning gravity's effect on time work everywhere else, we don't need much of a reach to apply those rules to the black hole also. The physics that don't work are at the center of the black hole (the singularity). The equations of gravity mostly all include dividing by the radius distance from the calculated point to the center of gravity, which in this case is zero distant. Dividing by zero doesn't work in math so the formulas blow up. It's really that simple. i'll just say this... the closer we are to anything(black hole) in the universe, the more definite the data becomes... when we study objects the are millions and millions of light years away, we don't see/ find everything... We don't need to. Kind of a close minded approach... |
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Okay Conrad... I'm going to pull a Homer Simpson here. I want my Black Hole with extra Ice Cream and Sprinkles ! 
Multi-color Sprinkles? 
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Einstein thought so in his Quantum Physics theories
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Einstein thought so in his Quantum Physics theories Quantum and Einstein don't mix very well... |
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rethinking the math.... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140127-black-hole-stephen-hawking-firewall-space-astronomy/ http://phys.org/news/2015-01-black-holes-space-theory.html http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050328/full/news050328-8.html No one has disproved Einstein's General Theory Of Relativity. On the contrary, it has been verified in every possible way. The papers you quote are more fringe science than science and philosophical than scientific. In the real world (or universe actually) we have found that supermassive black holes are at the center of all major galaxies. Saying, for example, that the event horizon of each black hole cannot be accurately determined therefore the black hole doesn't exist is silly since the black holes do, in fact, exist. Their mass can be calculated. Their positions accurately charted and sometime they can be visually observed if they happen to be having a meal. If Einstein's equations concerning gravity's effect on time work everywhere else, we don't need much of a reach to apply those rules to the black hole also. The physics that don't work are at the center of the black hole (the singularity). The equations of gravity mostly all include dividing by the radius distance from the calculated point to the center of gravity, which in this case is zero distant. Dividing by zero doesn't work in math so the formulas blow up. It's really that simple. i'll just say this... the closer we are to anything(black hole) in the universe, the more definite the data becomes... when we study objects the are millions and millions of light years away, we don't see/ find everything... We don't need to. Kind of a close minded approach... Einstein didn't have a telescope. He used the open minded approach. |
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rethinking the math.... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140127-black-hole-stephen-hawking-firewall-space-astronomy/ http://phys.org/news/2015-01-black-holes-space-theory.html http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050328/full/news050328-8.html No one has disproved Einstein's General Theory Of Relativity. On the contrary, it has been verified in every possible way. The papers you quote are more fringe science than science and philosophical than scientific. In the real world (or universe actually) we have found that supermassive black holes are at the center of all major galaxies. Saying, for example, that the event horizon of each black hole cannot be accurately determined therefore the black hole doesn't exist is silly since the black holes do, in fact, exist. Their mass can be calculated. Their positions accurately charted and sometime they can be visually observed if they happen to be having a meal. If Einstein's equations concerning gravity's effect on time work everywhere else, we don't need much of a reach to apply those rules to the black hole also. The physics that don't work are at the center of the black hole (the singularity). The equations of gravity mostly all include dividing by the radius distance from the calculated point to the center of gravity, which in this case is zero distant. Dividing by zero doesn't work in math so the formulas blow up. It's really that simple. i'll just say this... the closer we are to anything(black hole) in the universe, the more definite the data becomes... when we study objects the are millions and millions of light years away, we don't see/ find everything... We don't need to. Kind of a close minded approach... Einstein didn't have a telescope. He used the open minded approach. and 70 years later, they still don't know if it's right or not... |
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metalwing
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Thu 03/19/15 02:32 PM
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rethinking the math.... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140127-black-hole-stephen-hawking-firewall-space-astronomy/ http://phys.org/news/2015-01-black-holes-space-theory.html http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050328/full/news050328-8.html No one has disproved Einstein's General Theory Of Relativity. On the contrary, it has been verified in every possible way. The papers you quote are more fringe science than science and philosophical than scientific. In the real world (or universe actually) we have found that supermassive black holes are at the center of all major galaxies. Saying, for example, that the event horizon of each black hole cannot be accurately determined therefore the black hole doesn't exist is silly since the black holes do, in fact, exist. Their mass can be calculated. Their positions accurately charted and sometime they can be visually observed if they happen to be having a meal. If Einstein's equations concerning gravity's effect on time work everywhere else, we don't need much of a reach to apply those rules to the black hole also. The physics that don't work are at the center of the black hole (the singularity). The equations of gravity mostly all include dividing by the radius distance from the calculated point to the center of gravity, which in this case is zero distant. Dividing by zero doesn't work in math so the formulas blow up. It's really that simple. i'll just say this... the closer we are to anything(black hole) in the universe, the more definite the data becomes... when we study objects the are millions and millions of light years away, we don't see/ find everything... We don't need to. Kind of a close minded approach... Einstein didn't have a telescope. He used the open minded approach. and 70 years later, they still don't know if it's right or not... Who is "They"? You should speak for yourself. From wikipedia ... "General relativity is a theory of gravitation that was developed by Albert Einstein between 1907 and 1915. According to general relativity, the observed gravitational effect between masses results from their warping of spacetime. By the beginning of the 20th century, Newton's law of universal gravitation had been accepted for more than two hundred years as a valid description of the gravitational force between masses. In Newton's model, gravity is the result of an attractive force between massive objects. Although even Newton was troubled by the unknown nature of that force,[1] the basic framework was extremely successful at describing motion. Experiments and observations show that Einstein's description of gravitation accounts for several effects that are unexplained by Newton's law, such as minute anomalies in the orbits of Mercury and other planets. General relativity also predicts novel effects of gravity, such as gravitational waves, gravitational lensing and an effect of gravity on time known as gravitational time dilation. Many of these predictions have been confirmed by experiment, while others are the subject of ongoing research. For example, although there is indirect evidence for gravitational waves, direct evidence of their existence is still being sought by several teams of scientists in experiments such as the LIGO and GEO600 projects. General relativity has developed into an essential tool in modern astrophysics. It provides the foundation for the current understanding of black holes, regions of space where the gravitational effect is so strong that even light cannot escape. Their strong gravity is thought to be responsible for the intense radiation emitted by certain types of astronomical objects (such as active galactic nuclei or microquasars). General relativity is also part of the framework of the standard Big Bang model of cosmology. Although general relativity is not the only relativistic theory of gravity, it is the simplest such theory that is consistent with the experimental data. Nevertheless, a number of open questions remain, the most fundamental of which is how general relativity can be reconciled with the laws of quantum physics to produce a complete and self-consistent theory of quantum gravity." ... " When the lower observer sends a light signal to the higher observer, the acceleration causes the light to be red-shifted, as may be calculated from special relativity; the second observer will measure a lower frequency for the light than the first. Conversely, light sent from the higher observer to the lower is blue-shifted, that is, shifted towards higher frequencies.[8] Einstein argued that such frequency shifts must also be observed in a gravitational field. This is illustrated in the figure at left, which shows a light wave that is gradually red-shifted as it works its way upwards against the gravitational acceleration. This effect has been confirmed experimentally, as described below. 
This gravitational frequency shift corresponds to a gravitational time dilation: Since the "higher" observer measures the same light wave to have a lower frequency than the "lower" observer, time must be passing faster for the higher observer. Thus, time runs more slowly for observers who are lower in a gravitational field." |
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rethinking the math.... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140127-black-hole-stephen-hawking-firewall-space-astronomy/ http://phys.org/news/2015-01-black-holes-space-theory.html http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050328/full/news050328-8.html No one has disproved Einstein's General Theory Of Relativity. On the contrary, it has been verified in every possible way. The papers you quote are more fringe science than science and philosophical than scientific. In the real world (or universe actually) we have found that supermassive black holes are at the center of all major galaxies. Saying, for example, that the event horizon of each black hole cannot be accurately determined therefore the black hole doesn't exist is silly since the black holes do, in fact, exist. Their mass can be calculated. Their positions accurately charted and sometime they can be visually observed if they happen to be having a meal. If Einstein's equations concerning gravity's effect on time work everywhere else, we don't need much of a reach to apply those rules to the black hole also. The physics that don't work are at the center of the black hole (the singularity). The equations of gravity mostly all include dividing by the radius distance from the calculated point to the center of gravity, which in this case is zero distant. Dividing by zero doesn't work in math so the formulas blow up. It's really that simple. i'll just say this... the closer we are to anything(black hole) in the universe, the more definite the data becomes... when we study objects the are millions and millions of light years away, we don't see/ find everything... We don't need to. Kind of a close minded approach... Einstein didn't have a telescope. He used the open minded approach. and 70 years later, they still don't know if it's right or not... Who is "They"? You should speak for yourself. From wikipedia ... "General relativity is a theory of gravitation that was developed by Albert Einstein between 1907 and 1915. According to general relativity, the observed gravitational effect between masses results from their warping of spacetime. By the beginning of the 20th century, Newton's law of universal gravitation had been accepted for more than two hundred years as a valid description of the gravitational force between masses. In Newton's model, gravity is the result of an attractive force between massive objects. Although even Newton was troubled by the unknown nature of that force,[1] the basic framework was extremely successful at describing motion. Experiments and observations show that Einstein's description of gravitation accounts for several effects that are unexplained by Newton's law, such as minute anomalies in the orbits of Mercury and other planets. General relativity also predicts novel effects of gravity, such as gravitational waves, gravitational lensing and an effect of gravity on time known as gravitational time dilation. Many of these predictions have been confirmed by experiment, while others are the subject of ongoing research. For example, although there is indirect evidence for gravitational waves, direct evidence of their existence is still being sought by several teams of scientists in experiments such as the LIGO and GEO600 projects. General relativity has developed into an essential tool in modern astrophysics. It provides the foundation for the current understanding of black holes, regions of space where the gravitational effect is so strong that even light cannot escape. Their strong gravity is thought to be responsible for the intense radiation emitted by certain types of astronomical objects (such as active galactic nuclei or microquasars). General relativity is also part of the framework of the standard Big Bang model of cosmology. Although general relativity is not the only relativistic theory of gravity, it is the simplest such theory that is consistent with the experimental data. Nevertheless, a number of open questions remain, the most fundamental of which is how general relativity can be reconciled with the laws of quantum physics to produce a complete and self-consistent theory of quantum gravity." ... " When the lower observer sends a light signal to the higher observer, the acceleration causes the light to be red-shifted, as may be calculated from special relativity; the second observer will measure a lower frequency for the light than the first. Conversely, light sent from the higher observer to the lower is blue-shifted, that is, shifted towards higher frequencies.[8] Einstein argued that such frequency shifts must also be observed in a gravitational field. This is illustrated in the figure at left, which shows a light wave that is gradually red-shifted as it works its way upwards against the gravitational acceleration. This effect has been confirmed experimentally, as described below.
This gravitational frequency shift corresponds to a gravitational time dilation: Since the "higher" observer measures the same light wave to have a lower frequency than the "lower" observer, time must be passing faster for the higher observer. Thus, time runs more slowly for observers who are lower in a gravitational field." Tommy lee Jones: (from MIB) Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow. |
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yeah it is truly possible...
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Holy Crap...!
This is Your very first post on the Chat Forums, Junrie_james ? Way-to-go, Time Travel is possible everybody... Junrie said so ! |
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Time cannot travel. You should read the book, 'Be Here Now' to understand more.
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Time cannot travel. You should read the book, 'Be Here Now' to understand more. 
one vote yes, another votes no.... at an impasse now... i agree with Estelle, i can't see it would ever work... |
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What's not to understand...?
You put the Clock in a box, where it'll be safe... And then go where You want with it. (I'm Thinking In Yiddish Again) |
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What's not to understand...? You put the Clock in a box, where it'll be safe... And then go where You want with it. (I'm Thinking In Yiddish Again) wouldn't that depend on the box? cardboard boxes aren't very safe, even tho they nice second homes for some... |
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A clock on a train is still the same. Wow that rhymes.
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A clock on a train is still the same. Wow that rhymes. our local rapper... |
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Now, if this train gets up-to light speed... I'm going to shyt myself !
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calvin and hobbes...   
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