In his speeches, most especially the one at Columbia University, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad repeats two myths about the Holocaust. The first every reasonable person knows is a total lie: namely that the Holocaust did not occur. The second myth, however, is one that escapes critical attention for the most part, because many people are not aware of its falsity. The myth is that the Palestinian people and their leadership had absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust. The conclusion that is supposed to follow from this “fact” is that the establishment of Israel in the wake of the Nazi genocide of the Jewish people was unfair to the Palestinians. This is the way Ahmadinejad put it in his Columbia talk.


“…[G]iven this historical event [the Holocaust], if it is a reality, we need to question whether the Palestinian people should be paying for it… “The Palestinian people didn’t commit any crime. They had no role to play in World War II.”

Read the full article here: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=E36120C9-D999-4CE1-B285-A838B7D316A2

I can't respond to this because I haven't gone to the link. Can you please post the pertinent few related comments from the article? I just really don't like clicking all over the place to see things.

I'll give some related info though. I have it on poor authority that Ahmadinejad is working for the Israelis. By raising the issue of the holocaust he intends to force Germany to open their holocaust records, thereby enabling the Jewish people to get a look at the records, which will then enable them to sue Germany for reparations. Besides which by creating a war between Israel and Iran, Israel will be able to set back Iran's nuclear ambitions for years, so Israel is the country to gain from that scenario.

This of course is an unfounded conspiracy theory so certain people here should just love the idea.

I dont need any "links". I worked with a ww2 the big one vet who was on patrol one day and found a rail car on a siding. (by the smell) When they opened the doors the thing was half full of bodies. They followed the rail line to a death camp, the name of which i cant remember, but he said that there were survivors, but they were so near death that the medicos wouldent let them feed them. They had to allow them only so much food at first as the shock of food in thier systems could kill them. The Guards had abandoned the camp a few weeks before our troops arrived, leaving the prisoners with nothing to eat instead of very little.
I also know a lady that was in a camp, her whole family was killed, but she was able to survive by servicing the guards for food. She lives life to the fullest that she can, in her words, because she is trying to live for the ones who didnt.

David Horowitz,,,,HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!

Just a little too communist, Marxist, biased and jewish to say anything else!!!!

Oh, and a graduate OF,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Columbia University!!!

philosopher,

I'll just post the whole darn thing.

In his speeches, most especially the one at Columbia University, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad repeats two myths about the Holocaust. The first every reasonable person knows is a total lie: namely that the Holocaust did not occur. The second myth, however, is one that escapes critical attention for the most part, because many people are not aware of its falsity. The myth is that the Palestinian people and their leadership had absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust. The conclusion that is supposed to follow from this “fact” is that the establishment of Israel in the wake of the Nazi genocide of the Jewish people was unfair to the Palestinians. This is the way Ahmadinejad put it in his Columbia talk.


“…[G]iven this historical event [the Holocaust], if it is a reality, we need to question whether the Palestinian people should be paying for it… “The Palestinian people didn’t commit any crime. They had no role to play in World War II.”


These statements about the role of the Palestinians are demonstrably false. The truth is that the Palestinian leadership, supported by the Palestinian masses, played a significant role in Hitler’s Holocaust. The Palestinian leader at the time was Hajj Amin Al-Husseini, the Grand Mufit of Jerusalem. As Professor Edward Said has acknowledged:


“Hajj Amin al-Husseini represented the Palestinian Arab national consensus, had the backing of the Palestinian political parties that functioned in Palestine, and was recognized in some form by Arab governments as the voice of the Palestinian people.”


Husseini was “Palestine’s national leader” and it was in that capacity that he made his notorious alliance with Hitler and played an active role in promoting the Holocaust. Here is the true story that Ahmadinejad tried to mythologize.


Shortly after Hitler came to power, the Grand Mufti decided to emulate him. He informed the German consul in Jerusalem that “the Muslims inside and outside Palestine welcome the new regime of Germany and hope for the extension of the fascist anti-democratic, governmental system to other countries.” In an effort to bring it to his own country, Husseini organized the “Nazi Scouts,” based on the “Hitler Youth.” The swastika became a welcome symbol among many Palestinians.


The mid to late 1930’s were marked by Arab efforts to curtail immigration and Jewish efforts to rescue as many Jews as possible from Hitler’s Europe. These years were also marked by escalating Muslim violence orchestrated by Husseini and other Muslim leaders. In 1936, Arab terrorism took on a new dimension. In the beginning the targets were once again defenseless Jewish civilians in hospitals, movie theatres, homes and stores. This was followed by strikes and shop closures, and then by the bombing of British offices. The Nazi regime in Germany and the Italian fascists supported the violence, sending “millions” to the Mufti. The SS, under the leadership of Heinrich Himmler, provided both financial and logistical support for anti-Semitic pogroms in Palestine. Adolf Eichmann visited Husseini in Palestine and subsequently maintained regular contact with him. The support was mutual, as one Arab commentator put it:


“Feeling the whip of Jewish pressure and influence, the Arabs sympathized with the Nazis and Fascists in their agony and trials at the hands of Jewish intrigues and international financial pressures.”


The Palestinians and their Arab allies were anything but neutral about the fate of European Jewry. The official leader of the Palestinians, Haj Amin al-Husseini, spent the war years in Berlin with Hitler, serving as a consultant on the Jewish question. He was taken on a tour of Auschwitz by Himmler and expressed support for the mass murder of European Jews. He also sought to “solve the problems of the Jewish element in Palestine and other Arab countries” by employing “the same method” being used “in the Axis countries.’ He would not be satisfied with the Jewish residents of Palestine - - many of whom were descendants of Sephardic Jews who had lived there for hundreds, even thousands, of years - - remaining as a minority in a Muslim state. Like Hitler, he wanted to be rid of “every last Jew.” As Husseini wrote in his memoirs:


“Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: “The Jews are yours.”


The Mufti was apparently planning to return to Palestine in the event of a German victory and to construct a death camp, modeled after Auschwitz, near Nablus. Husseini incited his pro-Nazi followers with the words “Arise, o sons of Arabia. Fight for your sacred rights. Slaughter Jews wherever you find them. Their spilled blood pleases Allah, our history and religion. That will save our honor.” In 1944, a German-Arab commando unit, under Husseini’s command, parachuted into Palestine and poisoned Tel Aviv’s wells.


Husseini also helped to inspire a pro-Nazi coup in Iraq and helped to organize thousands of Muslims in the Balkans into military units known as Handselar divisions which carried out atrocities against Yugoslav Jews, Serbs and Gypsies. After a meeting with Hitler, he recorded the following in his diary:


The Mufti: “The Arabs were Germany’s natural friends… They were therefore prepared to cooperate with Germany with all their hearts and stood ready to participate in a war, not only negatively by the commission of acts of sabotage and the instigation of revolutions, but also positively by the formation of an Arab Legion. In this struggle, the Arabs were striving for the independence and the unity of Palestine, Syria and Iraq….


Hitler: “Germany was resolved, step by step, to ask one European nation after the other to solve its Jewish problem, and at the proper time direct a similar appeal to non-European nations as well. Hitler. Germany’s objective would then be solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power. The moment that Germany’s tank divisions and air squadrons had made their appearance south of the Caucasus, the public appeal requested by the Grand Mufti could go out to the Arab world.”


It is fair to conclude that the official leader of the Muslims in Palestine, Haj Amin al-Husseini, was a full fledged Nazi war criminal and he was so declared at Nuremberg and sought by Yugoslavia as a war criminal after the war. He escaped to Egypt where he was given asylum and helped to organize many former Nazis and Nazi sympathizers against Israel.


It is also fair to say that Husseini’s pro-Nazi sympathies and support were widespread among his Palestinian followers, who regarded him as a hero even after the war and the disclosure of his role in Nazi atrocities. According to his biographer,


“Haj Amin’s popularity among the Palestinian Arabs and within the Arab states actually increased more than ever during his period with the Nazis… [because] large parts of the Arab world shared this sympathy with Nazi Germany during the Second World War.”


Nor was it merely a hatred of Zionism that animated this support for Nazi ideology. The grand mufti’s “hatred of Jews…was fathomless, and he gave full vent to it during his period of activity alongside the Nazis (October 1941-May 1945).” His speeches on Berlin Radio were anti-Semitic to the core: “Kill the Jews wherever you find them—this pleases God, history and religion.” In 1948, the National Palestinian Council elected Husseini as its president, even though he was still a wanted war criminal living in exile in Egypt. Indeed, Husseini is still revered today among many Palestinians as a national hero. Yasser Arafat, in an interview conducted in 2002 and reprinted in the Palestinian daily Al-Quds on August 2, 2002, calls Haj Amin al-Husseini “our hero,” referring to the Palestinian people. Arafat also boasted of being “one of his troops,” even though he knew he was “considered an ally of Nazis.” (If a German today were to call Hitler “our hero,” he would appropriately be labeled a neo-Nazi.!)


It is a myth therefore – another myth perpetrated by Iran’s myth-maker-in-chief – that the Palestinians played “no role” in the Holocaust. Considering the active support by the Palestinian leadership and masses for the losing side of a genocidal war, it was more than fair for the United Nations to offer them a state of their own on more than half of the arable land of the British mandate. The Sudeten Germans got a lot less!

Wow. One more theory debunked.

The Gist:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad claims that the Palestinians are being punished for the Holocaust, which they had nothing to do with. The truth is that the Palestinian leader Hajj Amin Al-Husseini, the Grand Mufit of Jerusalem and most Palestinians were supporters of the Nazis or Nazis themselves. They had their own nazi-younth program and many Palestinian Muslims joined teh Nazi ranks. This is a fact, which is often overlooked. I have said many times, the war on terror isn't WWIII like some claim, we are still in WWII. We defeated Italy, Japan and Germany, but Palestine went without any punishment or defeat. The French allowed Hajj Amin Al-Husseini to go free and he went unpunished for the torture and murder of thousands of people, including the handicapped, gays, Jews, Christians and Muslims who refused to assist in genocide.

Reading the full article will give you a better idea of how involved in the holocaust and Nazi culture the Palestinians were and are. Few know this, but an arabic translation of "Mein Kampf" has been on the bestseller list of most Muslim countries for years.

David Horowitz also blames slavery on black Africans, abetted by dark-skinned Arabs, and has attacked minority demands for special treatment as only necessary because some blacks can't seem to locate the ladder of opportunity within reach of others, rejecting the idea that they could be the victims of lingering racism.

He has also been accussed of associating with alleged racists, he accepted funding from the Bradley Foundation, which supported the publication of The Bell Curve, and ran a modified piece by white nationalist Jared Taylor on the media treatment of black-on-white murders.

He admitted that doing so would be controversial, denied that Taylor was a racist, and argued that his racialism was an example of identity politics precipitated by an intellectual surrender to multiculturalism.

I dont like the guy and am unable to believe or accept anything he says with truth. Find another example of Palestinian involvment in the Holocost and I'll read it!

Fanta46,

You are welcome to your beliefs. I have led you to water, you don't have to drink. If you have any interest in learning, you can google "Hajj Amin Al-Husseini". And the website is published by David Horowitz, who has fought for civil rights his whole life. The article was written by Alan M. Dershowitz, NOT David Horowitz. Alan M. Dershowitz is extremely liberal and has also fought for civil rights, the reason he wrote this article is because it's the truth. Anyways, I don't care if you believe or not. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if you choose to ignore the truth, simply because the truth put Israelis in a slightly positive light.

Spider the link you posted above directed me to an article in a left-leaning conservative jewish magazine called frontpage!

David Joel Horowitz (born January 10, 1939) is an American conservative writer and activist. Once a prominent supporter of Marxism and a member of the New Left in the 1960s, Horowitz later rejected Leftism and is now on the right of the political spectrum. He is a founder of the David Horowitz Freedom Center (formerly the Center for the Study of Popular Culture), and has served as president of that organization for many years. He is the editor of the popular conservative website FrontPage Magazine.

I went I read!!!!!

Alan Dershowitz, Is the author, but he is also a jewish activist!

Not exactly the most unbiased source for information on the Palestinian issue.

I would believe if you give me a non-Jew, unbiased source that says the same thing, and offers real three dimensional proof. Not just claims and opinions!!!

Keep up the good work, I like your new attitude and acceptance to different view-points. It has not gone unnoticed by me!!

Fanta46,

I don't have any idea if any or even all of these sites are Jewish in origin. There is no limit to the information, you might have too look for yourself to find a non-jewish source.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d51poygEXYU

http://inhonor.net/misc/nazirootsjihad/nazi-rootofjihad.htm

http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/nazi_arab.htm

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1E1-Husseini.html

http://www.faoa.org/journal/HajjHusseini.html

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_collaboration.htm

I'll look!!!...

yeah Horrorwitz has his issues. But this was a pretty good article and interesting to read. From what I've read there seems to be no doubt about ethnic cleansing of the Jews from the region.

The author is not the issue. Same for Doucherwits.

but there can be no doubt about Ameeeniejad - he speaks for himself!

I wonder why so much
focus on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

Sometimes I think the leadership
is trying to give the rest of the
world the impression that Ahmadinejad
is someone the mullahs are trying to
rein in, but since he is 'elected',
(whatever that means in Iran),
they can only admonish.

There is not much insight
into the minds of the mullahs
themselves.

What do they believe?

Like Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Khamenei,
who was a close confidant of Ayatollah Khomeini,
the Supreme Leader who preceded him.

They are a mess of contradictions.

On the one hand they allow modernization,
on the other, they allow "morals police"
to crack down on people for dress code
violations, etc...

Maybe a young woman showed her ankle
or something.

I think you're right hiker and that there is a pack of Ahmadinejads behind Ahmadinejad. The collection of ruling authority in Iran is suspect as I see it.

Apparently this is getting to be the mainstream perspective at this point as well. It seems that 75 or 80 percent of the American people consider Iran to be terrorist and a great risk. Maybe it is the success of propaganda, but then maybe it is the success of Iran itself in promoting its extremist agenda.

my point... why care?

Hey, I don't believe in the holocaust either(fraud), I don't believe in the frauds in our govt today ., I don't believe we should be having the war(STOP IT NOW),I don't believe in the fraudulent(not) federal (no) reserves (non) banks either ,time to dump them,(THEY ARE STEALING OUR COUNTRY) and have our own CONSTITUTIONAL money again backed by gold. Time to put congress and the white house on trial for treason and war crimes,etc.Time to quit having SECRET BALLOTS(designed for cheating) HAVE SIGNED PAPER BALLOTS,(I think it used to be that way) the crooks will have a harder time changing your vote, Your neighbors already know ,who you want for president ,it is probably on your bumper sticker, signs on you lawn,etc , why not sign the ballot?? I would be willing to sign mine!!Stop the CROOKS!!!

So does this mean you support Ahmadinejad and his brand of government instead?

The holocaust did happen.....go ask some survivors.....enough was in film clips, gas ovens,books... what more do you want smo? geeeeeez