i dont usually post topics but i feel this needs discussed

when someone is convicted of a crime they need to be treated like a
criminal

they need to be put in working chain gangs

they need to be fed life sustaining clean food (not necessarily good
tasting food nor a variety of foods)

they need to have very little recreational yard time their recreation is the chain gang

maybe if criminals were treated the way they treat others then fewer
young people would commit violent acts that end up leading to their
destruction

when society takes to coddling criminals then being a criminal looks
much more inviting

I always feel reaction should match action

so I don't feel someone who took bread from a store for instance, deserves the same treatment as someone who beats someone into a coma

I don't feel someone who curses at a cop or pulls away from them, deserves the same treatment as someone who pulls a woman into an alley and rapes her

the problem though in dispensing such an absolutist type of justice is that not all who are 'accused' or 'arrested' or even 'convicted' are actually those who committed the crime

so balance must be achieved through looking at situations individually and thoroughly, and keeping the element of humanity that refuses to treat humans beneath a certain level regardless of their station in life

I believe loss of 'freedom' and the risks of being in such close quarters with other 'criminals' is enough of a just punishment for those accused,,

I don't see how that is 'coddling' in any way,.

their is a difference between jail and prison jail is for lessor
crimes and usually stay in the county they committed their offense
in and is for periods of time up to one year

for the more serious crimes they go to prison for varying amounts
of time per their crime

yes they lose their ability to go out into the regular public

but other than that what real punishment do they get

there are those that do not mind being confined

until being in prison and jail becomes more than just being
confined these things will continue to be glorified


obviously just the loss of freedom is not a deterrent to crime

jail and prison needs to be worse than being homeless

being homeless is awful, we shouldn't gauge how to treat human beings by how bad the homeless have it

we should probably just try to make it better for the homeless

and I don't know too many people 'criminal' or not who would not lose their mind not being able to move more than in a six by six concrete square their whole life,or walk around a concrete jungle of people who have possibly murder or rape on their minds,,,that is punishment enough,,,

JAIL'S & NURSING HOMES

This is Great!

Look at it both ways:

(I am looking....I am looking!)

SOME LOGIC TO THIS!

Here's the way it should be:

Let's put the seniors in jail

and the criminals in nursing homes.

This would correct two things in one motion:

A. SENIORS IN JAIL:

1. Seniors would have access to showers, hobbies and walks.

2. They would receive unlimited free prescriptions,

dental and medical treatment, wheel chairs, etc.

3. They would receive money instead of having to pay it out.

4. They would have constant video monitoring,

so they would be helped instantly if they fell or needed assistance.

5. Bedding would be washed twice a week

and all clothing would be ironed and returned to them.

6. A guard would check on them every 20 minutes.

7. All meals and snacks would be brought to them

8. They would have family visits in a suite built for that purpose.

9. They would have access to a library, weight/fitness room,

spiritual counseling, a pool and education.

10. Free admission to in-house concerts by nationally recognized entertainment artists.

11. Simple clothing - i.e. shoes, slippers, PJ's - and legal aid would be free, upon request.

12. There would be private, secure rooms provided

for all with an outdoor exercise yard complete with gardens.

13. Each senior would have a P.C., T.V., phone and radio in their room at no cost.

14. They would receive daily phone calls.

15. There would be a board of directors to hear any complaints and the ACLU

would fight for their rights and protection.

16. The guards would have a code of conduct to be strictly adhered to, with attorneys available,

at no charge to protect the seniors and their families from abuse or neglect.



B. And now for the Criminals (in Nursing Homes)

1. They would receive cold food.

2. They would be left alone and unsupervised.

3. They would receive showers once a week.

4. They would live in tiny rooms,

for which they would have to pay $5,000 per month.

5. They would have no hope of ever getting out.



"Sounds like justice to me!"

yeah, cause judging the entirety of retirement homes on the worst cases is great justification for making all prisons into the worst cases too,,,

you just proved my point

if facing homelessness they can go commit a crime and wala room n
board with various forms of ways to fill their time

obviously it is not punishment enough cause it is not deterring
enough

crime does pay

there is no real point

prison is doubtfully the goal of MOST people who commit crimes, no matter how pretty a picture one tires to paint when describing prison conditions,,,


MOST People no doubt want their freedom and their 'things'

many do not plan on prison you are correct

but they do plan on not being homeless

so they commit crimes to not be homeless

because going to prison is better than homelessness

were any of the cases of unarmed deaths homeless people?



and, no, going to prison would not be better than being homeless,, with the exception of food, and a 'warm' place to sleep, there isn't a lot of difference

in the dangers, or the humiliation,,,

that is an opinion

and obviously they would rather be in prison than homeless or they
would not risk it

if prison was more than just confinement they may think on it a bit
more before doing something that would send them there

or, they could just be desperate and have no money,, desperate for food, or things they can sell for money to get food

the more direct way to get lodging in a jail, would be to simply steal something and sit and wait,,,,which isn't USUALLY what happens,,,,

that is true

but if they didnt want to go to jail

rather than be homeless

then they would just be homeless

hmm,, you believe the only possibility for someone to be in jail is wanting to be in jail?

I imagine a homeless person could be tempted to steal food or items to sell for food or money,, that has nothing to do with 'wanting' to be in jail and everything to do with wanting to eat or have shelter,,,

and for stealing food they go to jail not prison

when someone makes a choice to do illegal acts they choose to take the
chance of incarceration

so yes they choose to be so incarcerated


if you want to get the punishment

dont do the crime

choosing to risk a consequence is not the same as WANTING to experience that consequence

choosing to join the military is taking the risk of being gunned down or blown up

but IM doubting that many are motivated to join because they 'want' to be gunned down or blown up

if that is why they are joining they are not taken

but as you said they know it is a possibility

and if prison was worse than homelessness maybe they would not do the crime

there is a big difference between wants and needs those that commit
crimes want something they dont need

there are many ways and places to get feed in this country without
having to commit a crime to eat

many live that way for years

if you commit a crime the punishment needs to be severe enough to be
strong enough to make you not wanna commit the crime in the first
place

why should a law biding citizen in some causes be victimized more
than the criminal is punished
crime

there is a big difference between wants and needs those that commit
crimes want something they dont need

excuse me, but eating and shelter are needs

people don't starve gracefully, the belief that because we have food banks everyone who is hungry can therefore eat is na�ve,,

some people are not all people

some people have access to food and others do not

homeless people do it on a daily basis

thus it is possible

thus they need not commit a crime to eat