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Topic: Religous Beliefs
TBRich's photo
Sun 08/17/14 02:51 PM
My example for this was regarding the bible, to make it easier for you:
1. Most people who respect the bible, have not actually read what it says- that is not a religious value/belief it is a scientific one.
2. The message of the bible is not the medium (ie- the bible is the medium, in and of itself it is not the message)- that is a religious value/belief

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/18/14 03:35 AM
frustrated

please give an example of a religious value and the logic for why it is 'religous' specifically, instead of just personal ?


please exclude bible discussion unless it is to provide clear proof that something exists ONLY in religious texts , and never before the text was written or in any other context,,,,


TBRich's photo
Mon 08/18/14 02:37 PM
1. Having grown up around alcohol abuse- I avoid imbibing alcohol- nonreligious
2. I avoid the consumption of flesh- religious

TBRich's photo
Mon 08/18/14 02:37 PM
1. Having grown up around alcohol abuse- I avoid imbibing alcohol- nonreligious
2. I avoid the consumption of flesh- religious

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/18/14 02:38 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 08/18/14 02:41 PM

1. Having grown up around alcohol abuse- I avoid imbibing alcohol- nonreligious
2. I avoid the consumption of flesh- religious


the second is not a strictly religious value,, my niece is vegan, she is a model who swears it is better for her health and can point out numerous studies and information that tout its health benefits


,,so that falls under 'personal' though some may have developed it due to their religious teaching:


others can and have developed that value from some other sources or experiences,,,

TBRich's photo
Mon 08/18/14 02:45 PM


are these two things somehow unable to both happen to the same person

that they die fro hanging, and that their body can fall after decomposition of hanging and burst open?


wasn't Luke a doctor who may have been more graphic in his details about the body?

did he say the person DIED from bursting open?

or just that the stomach burst and spilled innards?


and does pinpointing the exact reason that the different authors didn't use the exact same description make some other point about whether 'values' are religious or just personal,,,?


Perhaps, but can one both return the money to the priests and then hang himself and not return the money to the priests, not hang oneself and go buy a field?

Read the text

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/18/14 02:46 PM



are these two things somehow unable to both happen to the same person

that they die fro hanging, and that their body can fall after decomposition of hanging and burst open?


wasn't Luke a doctor who may have been more graphic in his details about the body?

did he say the person DIED from bursting open?

or just that the stomach burst and spilled innards?


and does pinpointing the exact reason that the different authors didn't use the exact same description make some other point about whether 'values' are religious or just personal,,,?


Perhaps, but can one both return the money to the priests and then hang himself and not return the money to the priests, not hang oneself and go buy a field?

Read the text



the verses you quoted didn't say that....

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/18/14 02:55 PM
matthew simply states that Judas gave the priests the money and he hanged himself

it also states that the priests purchased potters field with Judas coins

acts states that there was a prophecy that a man would purchase a field and fall headlong and burst open,,,

so it is possible to interpret the prophecy as referring to judas , whose money from inequity did purchase the field and who very likely could have fallen and burst after hanging

TBRich's photo
Mon 08/18/14 03:05 PM


1. Having grown up around alcohol abuse- I avoid imbibing alcohol- nonreligious
2. I avoid the consumption of flesh- religious


the second is not a strictly religious value,, my niece is vegan, she is a model who swears it is better for her health and can point out numerous studies and information that tout its health benefits


,,so that falls under 'personal' though some may have developed it due to their religious teaching:


others can and have developed that value from some other sources or experiences,,,


The difference is in intent, I did not consider the health benefits, etc; I merely followed the recommendation of my instructor at the time

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/18/14 03:07 PM



1. Having grown up around alcohol abuse- I avoid imbibing alcohol- nonreligious
2. I avoid the consumption of flesh- religious


the second is not a strictly religious value,, my niece is vegan, she is a model who swears it is better for her health and can point out numerous studies and information that tout its health benefits


,,so that falls under 'personal' though some may have developed it due to their religious teaching:


others can and have developed that value from some other sources or experiences,,,


The difference is in intent, I did not consider the health benefits, etc; I merely followed the recommendation of my instructor at the time



I agree, intentions are hard to pinpoint, especially for billions of different individuals

which is why I feel its misleading to label a value automatically a 'religious' one,,,

TBRich's photo
Mon 08/18/14 03:09 PM

matthew simply states that Judas gave the priests the money and he hanged himself

it also states that the priests purchased potters field with Judas coins

acts states that there was a prophecy that a man would purchase a field and fall headlong and burst open,,,

so it is possible to interpret the prophecy as referring to judas , whose money from inequity did purchase the field and who very likely could have fallen and burst after hanging



(With the payment he received for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.

New Living Translation
(Judas had bought a field with the money he received for his treachery. Falling headfirst there, his body split open, spilling out all his intestines.


Translations from (now I forgot them new standard?- you know, the dumbed down versions)

TBRich's photo
Tue 08/19/14 09:09 AM
Where do you get a "prophecy"? Even in KJV, the man is understood to be Judas, just like in English grammar we have a concept call "the You understood"

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